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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 18, 2020 17:56:49 GMT -5
If you read the most recent Capital Gazette article, he said he fully intends to return to active duty when his playing career ends.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 18, 2020 18:50:23 GMT -5
FWIW, my brother is a former Air Foce pilot. He confirmed a few things for me while providing context on some other items. i asked if it was unusual to wait that long on orders. He said no, they have 365 days and 180 is the average. Flight school lasts 12 to 18 months. 8 year additional commitment, clock starts after flight school completion. I asked the chances of him getting a waiver after flight school. 50/50. It's more common to get a waiver after the academy, less likely after flight school due to the training cost (in the millions). Factors include how well he did in flight school and need (ex: do you have more pilots than planes or vice versa). If performance is a factor, he should tank flight school
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jan 13, 2021 14:32:46 GMT -5
I saw a Globe article catching up with Noah Song and commenting that he could conceivably be let go early from his flight training, but more likely will finish his commitment and be done in 2022.
Maybe if there was ever a "least bad" time for a guy like Song to be held up for a couple of years in his development, it would be 2020/2021. Minor league development is going to be screwed up for a LOT of prospects due to the pandemic. Song is going to be missing less relative to others than he would have been getting started at any other time.
It is going to be interesting to see whether, in the next few years, there is going to be a discernible gap in talent arriving in MLB because of the disruption of the minors. There might be all sorts of competitive and financial downstream effects across baseball that we can only imagine at this point.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 13, 2021 17:20:57 GMT -5
I saw a Globe article catching up with Noah Song and commenting that he could conceivably be let go early from his flight training, but more likely will finish his commitment and be done in 2022. Maybe if there was ever a "least bad" time for a guy like Song to be held up for a couple of years in his development, it would be 2020/2021. Minor league development is going to be screwed up for a LOT of prospects due to the pandemic. Song is going to be missing less relative to others than he would have been getting started at any other time. It is going to be interesting to see whether, in the next few years, there is going to be a discernible gap in talent arriving in MLB because of the disruption of the minors. There might be all sorts of competitive and financial downstream effects across baseball that we can only imagine at this point. Moved this because I hadn't seen anything new. If I'm wrong and you saw a new article in the Globe, a link would be great.
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Post by stevedillard on Jan 13, 2021 18:13:33 GMT -5
Probably this one www.nbcsports.com/boston/red-sox/country-comes-first-and-baseball-second-red-sox-prospect-noah-songTop Red Sox prospect Noah Song is the rare pro athlete who fits the latter description. He might be soaring to a spot in the big leagues right now, but instead he's attending Navy flight school as a commissioned officer whose professional baseball career will remain on hold until at least May, when Song becomes eligible to seek early release from active duty in exchange for a six-year commitment to the Naval Reserve.
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Noah Song
Feb 21, 2021 18:59:46 GMT -5
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Post by blizzards39 on Feb 21, 2021 18:59:46 GMT -5
Does anybody know the current status of Songs Navel carear??
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Noah Song
Feb 21, 2021 19:06:48 GMT -5
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Feb 21, 2021 19:06:48 GMT -5
Probably this one www.nbcsports.com/boston/red-sox/country-comes-first-and-baseball-second-red-sox-prospect-noah-songTop Red Sox prospect Noah Song is the rare pro athlete who fits the latter description. He might be soaring to a spot in the big leagues right now, but instead he's attending Navy flight school as a commissioned officer whose professional baseball career will remain on hold until at least May, when Song becomes eligible to seek early release from active duty in exchange for a six-year commitment to the Naval Reserve. No serious athlete with professional sports aspirations should go to a military academy or ROTC as the usual military commitment is 5 years of military service after graduating from the University.
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Post by jimoh on Feb 21, 2021 20:22:09 GMT -5
Probably this one www.nbcsports.com/boston/red-sox/country-comes-first-and-baseball-second-red-sox-prospect-noah-songTop Red Sox prospect Noah Song is the rare pro athlete who fits the latter description. He might be soaring to a spot in the big leagues right now, but instead he's attending Navy flight school as a commissioned officer whose professional baseball career will remain on hold until at least May, when Song becomes eligible to seek early release from active duty in exchange for a six-year commitment to the Naval Reserve. No serious athlete with professional sports aspirations should go to a military academy or ROTC as the usual military commitment is 5 years of military service after graduating from the University. Song was undrafted as a high school senior and was throwing in the mid-80s as a college freshman.
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Feb 22, 2021 11:30:06 GMT -5
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Feb 22, 2021 11:30:06 GMT -5
No serious athlete with professional sports aspirations should go to a military academy or ROTC as the usual military commitment is 5 years of military service after graduating from the University. Song was undrafted as a high school senior and was throwing in the mid-80s as a college freshman. My brother spent 4 years at the Air Force Academy and 17 in the Air Force, so you only go to a military academy if you plan on making it a career! When my brother went you could drop out of the academy at any time with to no service required and about 2/3 were cut between academics, basis training, and mock POW training A LOT quit..
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 22, 2021 12:36:43 GMT -5
Song isn't trying to get out of his commitment to the military though. Let's be honest, a professional athlete's career is, on average, quite short. He's made it abundantly clear that if he's allowed to play baseball, he intends to serve after he retires and would still represent the military while he's playing.
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Noah Song
Feb 22, 2021 12:39:51 GMT -5
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Feb 22, 2021 12:39:51 GMT -5
Song was undrafted as a high school senior and was throwing in the mid-80s as a college freshman. My brother spent 4 years at the Air Force Academy and 17 in the Air Force, so you only go to a military academy if you plan on making it a career! When my brother went you could drop out of the academy at any time with to no service required and about 2/3 were cut between academics, basis training, and mock POW training A LOT quit.. ....won’t make you read between the lines.... Song could have left the academy after his third year and transferred to a regular four year university. Whether he could play immediately or have to wait a year as a red shirt, he would not have been committed for the five year of military service. Fly or throw....very tough to do both...
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Noah Song
Mar 1, 2021 17:31:15 GMT -5
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Mar 1, 2021 17:31:15 GMT -5
Any news on Song? Could new administration allow him to give baseball a shot? Is he clear to play this summer?
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Post by Smittyw on Mar 1, 2021 18:11:45 GMT -5
Now that we have the PTBNL for Osich, anything is possible.
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Noah Song
Mar 4, 2021 12:20:46 GMT -5
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Mar 4, 2021 12:20:46 GMT -5
My brother spent 4 years at the Air Force Academy and 17 in the Air Force, so you only go to a military academy if you plan on making it a career! When my brother went you could drop out of the academy at any time with to no service required and about 2/3 were cut between academics, basis training, and mock POW training A LOT quit.. ....won’t make you read between the lines.... Song could have left the academy after his third year and transferred to a regular four year university. Whether he could play immediately or have to wait a year as a red shirt, he would not have been committed for the five year of military service. Fly or throw....very tough to do both... It is hard to have your cake and eat it too.....It is hard to think Song wants to be a Navy pilot AND a mlb pitcher. If he opted out of the Naval Academy and then never made big money in baseball, he would have lost out on both careers. Being a pilot is not a sure thing, but more so than making it to the mlb. My brother went to the Air Force Academy and washed out as a pilot. Every time the plane did a roll he would barf. He never got over the air sickness in the jets. He got an ok, not great military pension as an officer (major), but nowhere near what a pilot can make, and way, way less than a mlb player. I wonder if Song regrets any of the decisions he has made?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 6, 2021 9:56:09 GMT -5
For reference, Song is not being trained as a pilot, he grew too tall to qualify. He is being trained as a support technician; radar, weapons, mine locating, search and rescue, etc.
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Post by azblue on Mar 6, 2021 11:38:07 GMT -5
"...support technician; radar, weapons, mine locating, search and rescue, etc."
That reads like a job description for an enlisted sailor rather than an officer.
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Post by sibbysisti on Mar 6, 2021 12:41:54 GMT -5
"...support technician; radar, weapons, mine locating, search and rescue, etc." That reads like a job description for an enlisted sailor rather than an officer. Someone has to be in charge of the operation and run things.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 7, 2021 7:05:14 GMT -5
The navy has tons of helicopters on their ships, but few airplanes. Typically, a two man crew, both officers. One to fly, one to run the electronics.
The pilots on the aircraft carriers are not Navy pilots, they are Air Force.
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Noah Song
Mar 7, 2021 9:04:48 GMT -5
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Post by cotuitfan on Mar 7, 2021 9:04:48 GMT -5
No, Phil - Naval aviators fly planes off Navy decks
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 7, 2021 9:10:59 GMT -5
My bad but the number of fixed wing aircraft is significantly less than rotary aircraft in the Navy. Either way, he is not going to be a pilot because of his height.
He's Gopher not Maverick. (On the other hand, Meg was hotter than Kelly).
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Post by cotuitfan on Mar 7, 2021 9:56:25 GMT -5
sorry, Phil, may want to check your numbers there, too - Navy has fewer rotary - but lets get back to baseball
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Noah Song
Mar 7, 2021 10:01:57 GMT -5
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Post by jackiebradleyjrjr on Mar 7, 2021 10:01:57 GMT -5
My bad but the number of fixed wing aircraft is significantly less than rotary aircraft in the Navy. Either way, he is not going to be a pilot because of his height. He's Gopher not Maverick. (On the other hand, Meg was hotter than Kelly). Not that it matters to this baseball- centric site but the US Navy has over 2,500 fixed wing aircraft btw. Approx 1,000 plus are combat aircraft— rest are training, cargo, etc.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Mar 7, 2021 19:46:18 GMT -5
For reference, Song is not being trained as a pilot, he grew too tall to qualify. He is being trained as a support technician; radar, weapons, mine locating, search and rescue, etc. Funny how times change. My day, "mine locating" was done with specialized ships (MSO), of which spent 3y onboard one, or technically assigned to it. Wasn't really able to go out to sea for many prolonged periods of time then, the wooden huller's were ancient when I served.
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Noah Song
Mar 8, 2021 23:40:29 GMT -5
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Mar 8, 2021 23:40:29 GMT -5
I repeat my point.....unless Song really wants a career as a Naval Officer (non pilot), he could have resigned after his junior years and had little to no commitment. My brother started at the Air Force Academy in a class of 4000 and at graduation there was only around 1000 remaining. Guys were cut for academics, could not pass basic training, could not officers training, or survival training....
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Post by jl1947 on Mar 9, 2021 2:41:21 GMT -5
You might want to check your numbers. The AFA enrolls a little bit less than 1200 freshmen each year. They do have a high attrition rate but not as high as your numbers suggest. It is, however, very tough to get accepted at around an 11% applicant success rate.
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