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6/10-6/13 Red Sox vs. Rangers Series Thread
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 11, 2019 20:51:02 GMT -5
Mookie is watching pitches that he jumped on and jacked out of the park last year. He is watching strikes and missing when he picks one to swing at.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 11, 2019 20:52:12 GMT -5
I want to make it clear I'm not calling for Cora's firing. But I wonder at what point the possibility of it becomes a topic of media discussion? (I mean discussion by respectable writers and commentators, not by Shank and Tony Mazz howling at the wind.) Please read the first line of this post again before calling me nuts for wanting Cora's head. I don't. But this team is underperforming and has looked sloppy and lethargic all year. I mean middle-aged nobody me could have circled the bases twice on that inside the parker. Underperforming, sloppy and lethargic are never good for a manager's job security. Mazz doesn't want Cora fired. You can't fire a manager 1 year after winning the WS. It's just a bad year. I hope they're planning to really capitalize on the talent on this roster. It's clear they just don't have it. My fear is they get semi-hot against bad competition and do nothing at the deadline and still miss the playoffs.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 11, 2019 20:56:27 GMT -5
I want to make it clear I'm not calling for Cora's firing. But I wonder at what point the possibility of it becomes a topic of media discussion? (I mean discussion by respectable writers and commentators, not by Shank and Tony Mazz howling at the wind.) Please read the first line of this post again before calling me nuts for wanting Cora's head. I don't. But this team is underperforming and has looked sloppy and lethargic all year. I mean middle-aged nobody me could have circled the bases twice on that inside the parker. Underperforming, sloppy and lethargic are never good for a manager's job security. I think DD put Cora in a really tough spot. The warning signs for this season were evident in spring training - if I fault Cora for anything it was in not treating spring training with urgency (apparently, anyway). Here's another way I look at it....last season was magic, every button Cora pressed clicked for the most part. The team responded really well to his management style. This is the year where Cora gets to really learn how to manage - when things aren't going well. But Cora isn't hitting poorly or pitching poorly, Cora didn't make the decision to not sign Kimbrel and force him to go with pen by committee. Cora didn't empty out the system (which of course made last year possible) so that call ups are mostly AAAA level or too young. I still love Cora as a manager, but there is a lot of regression going on this year and the holes in the team are getting exposed, as the subs for the injuries can't cut it.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 11, 2019 20:58:17 GMT -5
when i awoke....the Dire Wolf.....600 pounds of sin....was grinnin at my window....all I said was come on in.......
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 11, 2019 20:59:01 GMT -5
I guess we can play the "who shouldn't be on the active 25 man roster" game. Hernandez, Brewer, Shawaryn, and Poyner ... Chavis, Leon, Travis and Nunez. That's 8 of 25 - 1/3. one of the bigger problems; a lot of guys who arguably shouldn't be here are getting actual playing time Yeap, Darwinzon had no business being anywhere but in AA trying to find the plate. Poyner hasn't belonged here all year. Nunez is a waste of space. Chavis strikes out all the time and he has a big weakness that everyone exposes at the top of the strike zone. Travis isn't a major lwague ballplayer. The only ones who should be given a look is Shawaryn. He has actually looked okay or decent.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 11, 2019 21:01:07 GMT -5
I guess we can play the "who shouldn't be on the active 25 man roster" game. Hernandez, Brewer, Shawaryn, and Poyner ... Chavis, Leon, Travis and Nunez. That's 8 of 25 - 1/3. one of the bigger problems; a lot of guys who arguably shouldn't be here are getting actual playing time NYY facing the same situation and thriving. No excuses.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 11, 2019 21:05:16 GMT -5
one of the bigger problems; a lot of guys who arguably shouldn't be here are getting actual playing time NYY facing the same situation and thriving. No excuses. tru dat....guidas
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Post by manfred on Jun 11, 2019 21:07:27 GMT -5
one of the bigger problems; a lot of guys who arguably shouldn't be here are getting actual playing time Yeap, Darwinzon had no business being anywhere but in AA trying to find the plate. Poyner hasn't belonged here all year. Nunez is a waste of space. Chavis strikes out all the time and he has a big weakness that everyone exposes at the top of the strike zone. Travis isn't a major lwague ballplayer. The only ones who should be given a look is Shawaryn. He has actually looked okay or decent. I am frustrated as well, but we could also play the “how would we have filled the holes” game. Would signing Kimbrel have been worth a big contract? What would people be writing 2 years into his 4(+?) year contract? Is losing Joe Kelly a big issue? Did people disagree with Pearce/Moreland? Without busting the budget, who would be our 1B? With Pedroia coming back (they hoped) and Holt and Marco etc etc, who would be worth getting as another utility guy? Should they have passed on Eovaldi? I guess my feeling is they could’ve signed, say, Britton. Not getting a closer was predictably a problem. But this team is just having a collective bad year. It isn’t foremost a roster problem. It’s a performance (and injury) problem.
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Post by kevfc89 on Jun 11, 2019 21:08:35 GMT -5
one of the bigger problems; a lot of guys who arguably shouldn't be here are getting actual playing time NYY facing the same situation and thriving. No excuses. except their fill-ins have deserved to play; guys like Urshela, LeMahieu, and Frazier have played really well. And the Yankees have faced a much tougher situation than us spending most of the year so far without their best starting pitcher, arguably their best reliever (Betances), Judge, Stanton, Hicks, Didi, Andujar...a few of those guys are finally coming back now but it's amazing how that team has been so good.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 11, 2019 21:12:45 GMT -5
one of the bigger problems; a lot of guys who arguably shouldn't be here are getting actual playing time NYY facing the same situation and thriving. No excuses. Their scrubs are clearly better than ours, though!
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 11, 2019 21:14:12 GMT -5
Disturbing stat - Sox when losing in the 8th are 1-26...Texas when leading is 29-2.
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Post by kevfc89 on Jun 11, 2019 21:15:30 GMT -5
Disturbing stat - Sox when losing in the 8th are 1-26...Texas when leading is 29-2. i would think those numbers are pretty typical of teams leading/losing in the 8th inning
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 11, 2019 21:16:06 GMT -5
I think Shawaryn deserves a start. He has shown the most promise and maturity (and control) of our assorted efforts to plug the starter hole recently.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 11, 2019 21:24:21 GMT -5
I just feel bad for the children with all these losses. Poor kids are starving.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 11, 2019 21:35:45 GMT -5
WWCS*
(*What Will Cora Say...after this uninspiring mess?)
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 11, 2019 21:37:17 GMT -5
Oakland won Cleveland won White Sox won Texas won (obviously) Yankees won 1 of 2
Lot of ground lost
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Post by Guidas on Jun 11, 2019 21:39:00 GMT -5
NYY facing the same situation and thriving. No excuses. except their fill-ins have deserved to play; guys like Urshela, LeMahieu, and Frazier have played really well. And the Yankees have faced a much tougher situation than us spending most of the year so far without their best starting pitcher, arguably their best reliever (Betances), Judge, Stanton, Hicks, Didi, Andujar...a few of those guys are finally coming back now but it's amazing how that team has been so good. My point exactly. They have lost more front line talent than us. While LaMahieu was a steal for a guy with such a solid track record (imagine if the Sox grabbed him instead of pulling the quick trigger on Pierce?), no one predicted Urshela would be anywhere near what he’s been so far. And German was looked at as a #5 at best if he came up this year. Or to flip it back on the front office, it was a sllooooowww off season, but what this team had invested in Ottavino ($9M x 3) LaMaheiu ($12M x 2) and, say, Gio Gonzalez ($2M with $2M incentives) instead of Pearce ($6.5M) and Eovaldi ($68M)? Not only would this team be about 2-3 wins better, NYY would be 2-3 wins worse. Savings would be $19.5M, and Gonzalez gives you a 1 year deal that lets you go after Garrit Cole or Jake Odorizzi if you want to spend those Porcello dollars. Now, full confession, I was all for Eovaldi, but I’ve not yet ascended to a GM position, nor do I run the Red Sox of Boston. But choices were made and now they gotta live with them
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Post by station13 on Jun 11, 2019 21:45:17 GMT -5
Only 4 more solos from tying up.
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Post by wcp3 on Jun 11, 2019 21:47:19 GMT -5
This team is absolutely putrid.
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Post by manfred on Jun 11, 2019 21:48:09 GMT -5
except their fill-ins have deserved to play; guys like Urshela, LeMahieu, and Frazier have played really well. And the Yankees have faced a much tougher situation than us spending most of the year so far without their best starting pitcher, arguably their best reliever (Betances), Judge, Stanton, Hicks, Didi, Andujar...a few of those guys are finally coming back now but it's amazing how that team has been so good. My point exactly. They have lost more front line talent than us. While LaMahieu was a steal for a guy with such a solid track record (imagine if the Sox grabbed him instead of pulling the quick trigger on Pierce?), no one predicted Urshela would be anywhere near what he’s been so far. And German was looked at as a #5 at best if he came up this year. Or to flip it back on the front office, it was a sllooooowww off season, but what this team had invested in Ottavino ($9M x 3) LaMaheiu ($12M x 2) and, say, Gio Gonzalez ($2M with $2M incentives) instead of Pearce ($6.5M) and Eovaldi ($68M)? Not only would this team be about 2-3 wins better, NYY would be 2-3 wins worse. Savings would be $19.5M, and Gonzalez gives you a 1 year deal that lets you go after Garrit Cole or Jake Odorizzi if you want to spend those Porcello dollars. Now, full confession, I was all for Eovaldi, but I’ve not yet ascended to a GM position, nor do I run the Red Sox of Boston. But choices were made and now they gotta live with them This is demanding psychic ability. If the Red sox said we are letting Kimbrel, Kelly. AND Eovaldi go, but we are confident Gio Gonzalez will fill the starter hole in anticipation of signing Jake Odorizzi, would these boards support that announcement?
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 11, 2019 21:48:59 GMT -5
Yeap, Darwinzon had no business being anywhere but in AA trying to find the plate. Poyner hasn't belonged here all year. Nunez is a waste of space. Chavis strikes out all the time and he has a big weakness that everyone exposes at the top of the strike zone. Travis isn't a major lwague ballplayer. The only ones who should be given a look is Shawaryn. He has actually looked okay or decent. I am frustrated as well, but we could also play the “how would we have filled the holes” game. Would signing Kimbrel have been worth a big contract? What would people be writing 2 years into his 4(+?) year contract? Is losing Joe Kelly a big issue? Did people disagree with Pearce/Moreland? Without busting the budget, who would be our 1B? With Pedroia coming back (they hoped) and Holt and Marco etc etc, who would be worth getting as another utility guy? Should they have passed on Eovaldi? I guess my feeling is they could’ve signed, say, Britton. Not getting a closer was predictably a problem. But this team is just having a collective bad year. It isn’t foremost a roster problem. It’s a performance (and injury) problem. They could have signed Ottavino....but whatever they would have done, would not have been nearly enough this year. The previously labeled "best outfield in baseball"....is hitting .263, .267, .197 with 23 home runs. Beni was once thought to have the swing and talent to challenge for a batting title. This appears a pipe dream. Mookie is relatively emasculated by strikes away and looks to be jumping at pitches hoping to catch one. Even when he pulls, his left arm collapses reducing extension. JBJ at 29 sure looks cemented...in the he is what he is mold. But darkness before Dawn....
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Post by Guidas on Jun 11, 2019 21:51:06 GMT -5
Nuñez fWAR = -0.6
Delete please.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 11, 2019 21:52:52 GMT -5
My point exactly. They have lost more front line talent than us. While LaMahieu was a steal for a guy with such a solid track record (imagine if the Sox grabbed him instead of pulling the quick trigger on Pierce?), no one predicted Urshela would be anywhere near what he’s been so far. And German was looked at as a #5 at best if he came up this year. Or to flip it back on the front office, it was a sllooooowww off season, but what this team had invested in Ottavino ($9M x 3) LaMaheiu ($12M x 2) and, say, Gio Gonzalez ($2M with $2M incentives) instead of Pearce ($6.5M) and Eovaldi ($68M)? Not only would this team be about 2-3 wins better, NYY would be 2-3 wins worse. Savings would be $19.5M, and Gonzalez gives you a 1 year deal that lets you go after Garrit Cole or Jake Odorizzi if you want to spend those Porcello dollars. Now, full confession, I was all for Eovaldi, but I’ve not yet ascended to a GM position, nor do I run the Red Sox of Boston. But choices were made and now they gotta live with them This is demanding psychic ability. If the Red sox said we are letting Kimbrel, Kelly. AND Eovaldi go, but we are confident Gio Gonzalez will fill the starter hole in anticipation of signing Jake Odorizzi, would these boards support that announcement? Actually, Gio was the most common sense pick-up of all because he took his release in mid-April. $2M with incentives, hell even Boston could’ve afforded that.
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Post by kevfc89 on Jun 11, 2019 21:59:55 GMT -5
tip our cap and call teams >.500 our daddies ...
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 11, 2019 22:00:10 GMT -5
The silence of Fenway Park tonight was the sound of a .500 team. Just....meh. Consistently down early, little to no fight, no pitching depth, slumping stars. There will be better days...and worse days....and it will probably end up close to the .500 team we are seeing now.
We had last year!!!! But...repeating is HARD.
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