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6/10-6/13 Red Sox vs. Rangers Series Thread
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 12, 2019 15:10:27 GMT -5
Here goes Porcello, pitching like a bum again.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 12, 2019 15:11:42 GMT -5
Tomase apparently floating a why the Red Sox might blow up the team story. Link?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 12, 2019 15:14:24 GMT -5
Tomase apparently floating a why the Red Sox might blow up the team story. Link? Tomase is garbage, so I wouldn't read anything into it.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 12, 2019 15:15:01 GMT -5
He pitched 158 innings. The years prior to that: 208.2 226.2 214.1 Right, he was hurt last year, not babied. I edited the above to include an article, but he got hurt, after a slow spring training, which is what they basically did this year. This year, he started the season with brutally low velocity, but as the article also states, he ramped up in June/July in which he got hurt, which is what he's back to doing now. I also think some of that time off was to also help him be stronger for October because they didn't need him to win the division. I could be wrong, but remember hearing over and over again that if they truly needed him, he'd be out there. They couldn't seem to get the shoulder quite right, for whatever reason, so maybe the limiting of innings wasn't by design to get him back to first half Chris Sale and that he should have been shut down entirely.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 12, 2019 15:16:50 GMT -5
So, absent inventing a time machine to both see the future and change the past, what exactly are you bitching about? About how the Red Sox are bound to win 93 games and I'll be in self-banishment forever. I'm saying his contract is an albatross. Why is it so hard to grasp this concept? His fault? Not really. 9 games in 5 years? That's not a great deal. I'm sure Dombrowski would cut him if he could, but he can't (I mean, he could, but he'd owe him anyways). Calling his contract an albatross is not a slight on the player or his character. His knee blew out. It sucks, but now they're stuck paying a guy who can't play. He also was the first 100+ million 2B and signed an extension, not as a free agent, so his hometown discount wasn't that crazy of a deal. He traded in some value for security to play for a winning team that he enjoyed being a part of, but the deal itself wasn't that big of a discount. Yeah, the Sox aren't going to get full value out of the Pedroia contract, but going by your logic you can only look back when the contract is done or it's obvious the player is done, but you can't make decisions that way. They're in real time, not retrospective. If you did that, I don't think you'd ever give a player a contract extension or sign a free agent. They can get hurt five minutes later like the Celtics' Hayward. The Red Sox could sign Betts to a 8 year $240 million deal and everybody will say, "Wow what a great deal the Sox got" and Mookie can be MVP the first two seasons, mess up his ankle and be a shell of himself for the next 6 years or whatever. Then what? At some point the kind of deal that was made with Pedroia is the cost of doing business. I know the school of thought is, if the guy leaves, no big deal - next man up like the Patriots do. Sometimes that works, but as you're seeing on the 2019 Red Sox, the next man up sometimes is pretty damn mediocre. The Sox could deal Betts, and maybe they make a great deal. Maybe they don't. Prospects or young players sometimes to regress, and Mookie does have a real value to this year's team but even more importantly next year's team while the core is still in its prime.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 12, 2019 15:18:18 GMT -5
Damn two out hits. Again a trademark of this year's team. Went from one out away from an easy inning to now at least 2 runs in.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Jun 12, 2019 15:20:05 GMT -5
Lacking anything productive to say about the Red Sox, my main observation of this series so far is that Hunter Pence looks really goofy with his socks pulled up over his knees. I like that MLB gives players latitude with how they wear their pants. That latitude allows some guys to look like goobers occasionally.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 12, 2019 15:20:49 GMT -5
About how the Red Sox are bound to win 93 games and I'll be in self-banishment forever. I'm saying his contract is an albatross. Why is it so hard to grasp this concept? His fault? Not really. 9 games in 5 years? That's not a great deal. I'm sure Dombrowski would cut him if he could, but he can't (I mean, he could, but he'd owe him anyways). Calling his contract an albatross is not a slight on the player or his character. His knee blew out. It sucks, but now they're stuck paying a guy who can't play. He also was the first 100+ million 2B and signed an extension, not as a free agent, so his hometown discount wasn't that crazy of a deal. He traded in some value for security to play for a winning team that he enjoyed being a part of, but the deal itself wasn't that big of a discount. Yeah, the Sox aren't going to get full value out of the Pedroia contract, but going by your logic you can only look back when the contract is done or it's obvious the player is done, but you can't make decisions that way. They're in real time, not retrospective. If you did that, I don't think you'd ever give a player a contract extension or sign a free agent. They can get hurt five minutes later like the Celtics' Hayward. The Red Sox could sign Betts to a 8 year $240 million deal and everybody will say, "Wow what a great deal the Sox got" and Mookie can be MVP the first two seasons, mess up his ankle and be a shell of himself for the next 6 years or whatever. Then what? At some point the kind of deal that was made with Pedroia is the cost of doing business. I know the school of thought is, if the guy leaves, no big deal - next man up like the Patriots do. Sometimes that works, but as you're seeing on the 2019 Red Sox, the next man up sometimes is pretty damn mediocre. The Sox could deal Betts, and maybe they make a great deal. Maybe they don't. Prospects or young players sometimes to regress, and Mookie does have a real value to this year's team but even more importantly next year's team while the core is still in its prime. That's also the risk of not signing early. If Betts rips up his ACL and MCL in a freak play he's not going to get that massive pay day between now and when he's a free agent. Signing today means you get your money no matter what happens.
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Post by kevfc89 on Jun 12, 2019 15:21:56 GMT -5
stop me if you've heard this one before; the Red Sox fall behind early
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 12, 2019 15:22:47 GMT -5
Tomase is garbage, so I wouldn't read anything into it. I could see the Red Sox "floating" a story to try and motivate the team.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 12, 2019 15:24:38 GMT -5
How did Rick Porcello win a Cy Young award?
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 12, 2019 15:25:07 GMT -5
How exactly is Didi Gregorius playing shortstop 221 days after Tommy John surgery? I don't get it.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 12, 2019 15:25:51 GMT -5
How did Rick Porcello win a Cy Young award? He actually got people out consistently and got a lot of outs. I'd happily settle for him doing what he did last year.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 12, 2019 15:26:07 GMT -5
Tomase is garbage, so I wouldn't read anything into it. I could see the Red Sox "floating" a story to try and motivate the team. Just wait and see what happens when Papi walks out on the field again.
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Post by station13 on Jun 12, 2019 15:27:05 GMT -5
BULLEYES
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 12, 2019 15:27:42 GMT -5
How exactly is Didi Gregorius playing shortstop 221 days after Tommy John surgery? I don't get it. I'm picking up snide, but Tommy John is different for hitters than pitchers, see Ohtani.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 12, 2019 15:28:33 GMT -5
How did Rick Porcello win a Cy Young award? He actually got people out consistently and got a lot of outs. I'd happily settle for him doing what he did last year. Sure would love to see it happen again. Just amazing how he was so good for 1 season.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 12, 2019 15:29:43 GMT -5
How exactly is Didi Gregorius playing shortstop 221 days after Tommy John surgery? I don't get it. I'm picking up snide, but Tommy John is different for hitters than pitchers, see Ohtani. Ohtani is only DH'ing. Gregorius is playing SS, which you need a good arm for. Vazquez missed more than 12 months, along with every other catcher. Even Carl Crawford missed more than 12 months IIRC. There's nothing snide about my comment. It's a legit question.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 12, 2019 15:30:39 GMT -5
I'm picking up snide, but Tommy John is different for hitters than pitchers, see Ohtani. Ohtani is only DH'ing. Gregorius is playing SS, which you need a good arm for. Vazquez missed more than 12 months, along with every other catcher. Even Carl Crawford missed more than 12 months IIRC. That's a really good point. Yeah, that's weird then. I didn't think of it in those terms.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Jun 12, 2019 15:31:37 GMT -5
Raffy heating up again?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 12, 2019 15:31:43 GMT -5
Heyyy a hit with RISP.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 12, 2019 15:32:32 GMT -5
Not a good launch angle, but 111 mph.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Jun 12, 2019 15:34:08 GMT -5
Not a good launch angle, but 111 mph. We will take 111 mph every time.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 12, 2019 15:35:03 GMT -5
Crap, out on a crap throw.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Jun 12, 2019 15:35:56 GMT -5
Crap, out on a crap throw. That’s just lucky. Annoying and lucky.
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