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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 12, 2019 18:01:07 GMT -5
Walk off walk.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Jun 12, 2019 18:01:18 GMT -5
I'm looking for contact which chavis has had a lot of problem with lately Travis has struck out 29% in limited time good counterpoint
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 12, 2019 18:01:26 GMT -5
Well, the Rangers bullpen stinks too. Awesome. Win tomorrow and worry about selling players another season.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 12, 2019 18:02:29 GMT -5
I don't remember the last walk-off walk. That's a rare one. But wooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 12, 2019 18:03:08 GMT -5
Travis has struck out 29% in limited time good counterpoint Chavis has struck out about 50% in the last few weeks.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 12, 2019 18:04:04 GMT -5
why would Cora want Nunez vs a righty over Holt vs lefty? i know im taking Holt every time Nunez shouldn’t even be in the major leagues. I’m not sure who will step up and allow us to cut him, whether it’s Hernandez, Lin, etc, but I’d love him forever. I would have PH Marco for Nunez without letting Nunez bat there.
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Post by manfred on Jun 12, 2019 18:05:32 GMT -5
Chavis may be scuffling, but he was on base twice in 5 appearances. I think he’s shown grit in this inevitable period when the league adjusts to him.
I wonder if JD is still not right. I actually wonder if it’ll come out that a bunch of guys have not been right. Still... playoffs are there to be had!
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Post by station13 on Jun 12, 2019 22:06:14 GMT -5
I don't remember the last walk-off walk. That's a rare one. But wooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Chapman walk in Benny on Sunday night baseball 2 years ago.
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Post by dirtdog on Jun 12, 2019 23:50:21 GMT -5
Just looking through the box score and noticed JDM had golden a sombrero. Something gotta be seriously wrong with his back.
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Post by danr on Jun 12, 2019 23:56:12 GMT -5
Perhaps they give him another year, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's converted to a reliever at some point, but even then, you can't constantly walk guys. I mean we're not talking somebody here with spotty control who might walk 4 - 4.5/9. We're talking a guy who's going to walk far more than that. Hernandez was very good in the 1st, got ahead of guys and struck out all three guys he saw on 1-2 counts. I think he could step in to a mlb relief role fairly quickly, but as someone else said during the game "What's the point?". Red Sox are not doing much right now, so to convert a starter into a reliever to help this year's team is kind of a waste. I don't have much hope for him finding his control at this point, but there's not much value into turning him into a reliever this year so he might as well continue to start in the minors and see if he can figure something out. Seven of his nine outs were Ks. He hit 98. Even with the increasing number of hard throwers, a lefty who can hit 98 still is pretty rare. He is very young and doesn't have a lot of baseball experience. I think it would be wise for the Sox to let him pitch in the minors for a while, a year or two, with some good coaching, to see if he can develop the control and command. If he does, he could be another Sale. That's worth waiting for.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 13, 2019 2:00:34 GMT -5
This is downright scary. Brian Johnson is probably only capable of going 4-5 innings max when he comes back too.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 13, 2019 2:11:32 GMT -5
The longer Eovaldi is out, the more realistic of a possibility he goes to the bullpen to finish the rest of this season. Takes a long time to build a pitcher back up as Dombrowski even says in this article.
The same exact situation happened in 2017 with David Price. Took too long to comeback and had to settle for a bullpen role the rest of that year. If the Sox are buyers, they might actually need a backend rotation arm this July, unless their last option in Brian Johnson somehow steps up.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 13, 2019 5:53:37 GMT -5
Just one more note, but Workman is the most unpredictable reliever I've ever come across, outside of a knuckleballer. He goes through a bunch of dead arm periods (even this year) where he can only dial a fastball up to 91 mph max.
Then there's this season (mostly) where he's pumping up the velocity back up to his pre Tommy John surgery days at 94-95 mph consistently. He looks like he's finally fully back years later after the surgery. The numbers reflect how good he is when he's in this velocity range versus where he was at last year.
This year he's probably your 8th inning guy by default right now, and your 7th inning guy if the Sox are buyers after the trade deadline. Last year, he made the postseason roster by default (not a lot of depth) and was terrible in like the 3-4 games he pitched in. He was pretty mediocre during most of the year last year too.
He's been literally unhittable this year, due to mostly skill. Happy he's got the velocity back. He's for real all over again until he has another dead arm period (who knows when that's coming, because he's highly unpredictable, again).
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Post by Canseco on Jun 13, 2019 5:59:20 GMT -5
He's been literally unhittable Like Steve Nebraska?
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 13, 2019 6:34:05 GMT -5
Yesterday was certainly a necessary and great win. It did make me chuckle a bit... 2018 Sox that game ends with a slam by Mookie. Yesterday was a victory a la 2019. Walk off walk.
But we gotta take em any way we can! ALL wins are important from here on in. No more getaway day toss away lineups to get out of Boston fast...no more Weber or Smith starts.(we need the return of some healthy arms)
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 13, 2019 10:00:46 GMT -5
The longer Eovaldi is out, the more realistic of a possibility he goes to the bullpen to finish the rest of this season. Takes a long time to build a pitcher back up as Dombrowski even says in this article. The same exact situation happened in 2017 with David Price. Took too long to comeback and had to settle for a bullpen role the rest of that year. If the Sox are buyers, they might actually need a backend rotation arm this July, unless their last option in Brian Johnson somehow steps up. If Eovaldi can't build up the durability to start this perhaps Demainah gets his wish after all and he closes for the remainder of this season and the Sox could go after a reliable back-end starter in July and then Eovaldi would return to the starter's role next season. They could theoretically use him as a high leverage/closer type pitcher - kind of the way David Price was used in 2017 coming back off his injury. The Sox would have to see where Eovaldi is at some point in July and determine if he can be a viable starter this season and if he can't then they do have to look at replacing his really bad replacements. I'm hoping Johnson can stabilize that spot, but who knows what we can expect out of him at this point given the injuries he's gone through?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 13, 2019 10:19:43 GMT -5
The longer Eovaldi is out, the more realistic of a possibility he goes to the bullpen to finish the rest of this season. Takes a long time to build a pitcher back up as Dombrowski even says in this article. The same exact situation happened in 2017 with David Price. Took too long to comeback and had to settle for a bullpen role the rest of that year. If the Sox are buyers, they might actually need a backend rotation arm this July, unless their last option in Brian Johnson somehow steps up. If that's the case, they'd need two starters, unless we expect whatever pitcher they acquire and all of Porcello, Sale, Price, and E-Rod to stay healthy and perform. E-Rod has a lengthy history of not being able to stay on the mound and Price's elbow will forever scare me, regardless of how special it is (which apparently, it seems to be despite everyone laughing at him for saying that).
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 13, 2019 12:29:23 GMT -5
The longer Eovaldi is out, the more realistic of a possibility he goes to the bullpen to finish the rest of this season. Takes a long time to build a pitcher back up as Dombrowski even says in this article. The same exact situation happened in 2017 with David Price. Took too long to comeback and had to settle for a bullpen role the rest of that year. If the Sox are buyers, they might actually need a backend rotation arm this July, unless their last option in Brian Johnson somehow steps up. If Eovaldi can't build up the durability to start this perhaps Demainah gets his wish after all and he closes for the remainder of this season and the Sox could go after a reliable back-end starter in July and then Eovaldi would return to the starter's role next season. They could theoretically use him as a high leverage/closer type pitcher - kind of the way David Price was used in 2017 coming back off his injury. The Sox would have to see where Eovaldi is at some point in July and determine if he can be a viable starter this season and if he can't then they do have to look at replacing his really bad replacements. I'm hoping Johnson can stabilize that spot, but who knows what we can expect out of him at this point given the injuries he's gone through? I know people love to see the 99/100, but Eovaldi has struck out 6.78 per 9 in his career and that's pretty piss poor for a closer. He's not all of a sudden going to start striking out people like Kimbrel or Barnes or even Workman just because of a move to the bullpen.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 13, 2019 12:39:28 GMT -5
If Eovaldi can't build up the durability to start this perhaps Demainah gets his wish after all and he closes for the remainder of this season and the Sox could go after a reliable back-end starter in July and then Eovaldi would return to the starter's role next season. They could theoretically use him as a high leverage/closer type pitcher - kind of the way David Price was used in 2017 coming back off his injury. The Sox would have to see where Eovaldi is at some point in July and determine if he can be a viable starter this season and if he can't then they do have to look at replacing his really bad replacements. I'm hoping Johnson can stabilize that spot, but who knows what we can expect out of him at this point given the injuries he's gone through? I know people love to see the 99/100, but Eovaldi has struck out 6.78 per 9 in his career and that's pretty piss poor for a closer. He's not all of a sudden going to start striking out people like Kimbrel or Barnes or even Workman just because of a move to the bullpen. Perhaps not, but Cora wasn't shy about using him as their main setup guy in the clinching game of the ALCS, and the first two games of the World Series.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 13, 2019 14:20:56 GMT -5
I know people love to see the 99/100, but Eovaldi has struck out 6.78 per 9 in his career and that's pretty piss poor for a closer. He's not all of a sudden going to start striking out people like Kimbrel or Barnes or even Workman just because of a move to the bullpen. Perhaps not, but Cora wasn't shy about using him as their main setup guy in the clinching game of the ALCS, and the first two games of the World Series. Well yeah, but I still think he has a lot more value as a starter and very little as a closer. I'd rather use him as an opener or follower than a closer.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 13, 2019 14:23:32 GMT -5
Perhaps not, but Cora wasn't shy about using him as their main setup guy in the clinching game of the ALCS, and the first two games of the World Series. Well yeah, but I still think he has a lot more value as a starter and very little as a closer. I'd rather use him as an opener or follower than a closer. He's probably a multi inning bullpen reliever, not a closer. That's either Matt Barnes or TBD after the trade deadline.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 13, 2019 15:19:21 GMT -5
Well yeah, but I still think he has a lot more value as a starter and very little as a closer. I'd rather use him as an opener or follower than a closer. He's probably a multi inning bullpen reliever, not a closer. That's either Matt Barnes or TBD after the trade deadline. Ideally yes. If I recall correctly that is how Price was used. Of course they had Kimbrel so they didn't need him for 9th inning duty. I think he would come in and pitch 2 to 4 innings when needed. Ideally that is what Eovaldi would do if he can't start and they'd obtain somebody that can replace Kimbrel's role.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 13, 2019 16:54:19 GMT -5
He's always had a pretty extreme penalty the third time through the order anyway, so making him a 4-5 inning starter (and/or someone you use the opener for) already made sense. Gives them a lot of innings to fill, though.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 13, 2019 18:21:11 GMT -5
Guess what? We are playing behind again. Price is wild.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 13, 2019 18:25:15 GMT -5
Price is due for a junk start, problem is the Sox need him to be perfect because the Sox are struggling.
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