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2019 In-Season Sox Prospects Rankings (National Outlets)
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Post by juanpena on Jul 13, 2019 14:08:18 GMT -5
Bit of a nit pick with Fangraphs, but I don't understand Feltman being ranked lower than Lakins. Both of these guys have been the biggest disappointing development for me this year. For me it's Scherff.
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Post by ramireja on Jul 13, 2019 15:50:05 GMT -5
From the Fangraphs preseason list where Rafaela was mentioned as a lower-level hitter to watch (he didn't rank in the Top 26 at the time):
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 16, 2019 2:34:42 GMT -5
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 16, 2019 2:45:08 GMT -5
Wow...Groome at 190. It wasn't that long ago that he was considered a possible #1 pick in the amateur draft....a little bit apples-oranges but jeez. Certainly the TJ operates here but I wonder how much observations on his stuff/performance when healthy, factored in. I didn't see any explanatory commentary.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 16, 2019 2:57:22 GMT -5
I think you would need to ask him in twitter, he seems to be responding to comments. twitter.com/Prospects365As far as Groome is concerned, his placement among the six listed aligns with SP placement. The order is somewhat similar except he doesn't list Darwinzon or Chatham
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 18, 2019 18:17:41 GMT -5
BBA is starting to drop mid-season ranking updates for each team on twitter. About a dozen up so far. No Sox yet.
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 18, 2019 18:28:20 GMT -5
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 19, 2019 14:29:46 GMT -5
Baseball America released their mid season top 100 rankings and after starting the year with no one, the Red Sox now have three top 100 prospects.
Triston Casas: 75 Bryan Mata: 89 Bobby Dalbec: 96
And that’s not counting Jarren Duran, who was previously 93 but dropped out of the top 100 but is presumably right outside. Things are looking up.
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Post by kingstephanos on Jul 19, 2019 17:23:46 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 20, 2019 1:02:12 GMT -5
Alex Speier @alexspeier Retweeted Baseball America
As I wrote recently I my own midyear reset of the Red Sox top-10, it’s been a solid year in the Sox system, particularly with solid steps forward at the top of the system. Industry perception of Casas, Mata, Dalbec, and Duran suggests a solid talent base forming.
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Post by telson13 on Jul 20, 2019 3:16:15 GMT -5
From the Fangraphs preseason list where Rafaela was mentioned as a lower-level hitter to watch (he didn't rank in the Top 26 at the time): www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=sa3005581&position=3B/SSHe’s sporting a pretty impressive isoP for a little guy. Lots of contact, not taking many walks. Then again, he’s seen **83%** strikes this year (after 78% last year). Seems like his size has guys pouring it over and he’s learning to take advantage (20% HR/FB rate; BABIP is a bit low for a speedy guy at .278). His pull rate is up quite a bit this year to go along with the power spike, but he still spreads it around fairly well. Maybe some budding selectivity on pitches he can drive? 7-7 SB in 13 games, too. Interesting guy, especially if he can stick at SS. That’d make him *real* intriguing.
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Post by telson13 on Jul 20, 2019 3:58:39 GMT -5
Baseball America released their mid season top 100 rankings and after starting the year with no one, the Red Sox now have three top 100 prospects. Triston Casas: 75 Bryan Mata: 89 Bobby Dalbec: 96 And that’s not counting Jarren Duran, who was previously 93 but dropped out of the top 100 but is presumably right outside. Things are looking up. Dalbec’s sorta driving me nuts. I love the drop in K rate, and the incredible walk rate (17%). For a guy who’s a contact concern, a 0.67 BB/K ratio is actually really impressive. And the power’s obviously there, as he’s got 19 HR. But if you look at his progression, this year’s BABIP: .272. That’s pretty bad, even if not awful. And it’s tempting to put it down to some bad luck, since it’s not egregious. But his next-lowest at any stop was .318, and next after that his .377 last year in his fairly brief Portland stint, when he whiffed constantly and didn’t walk much at all. Then I notice his doubles are down a lot from last year, and I find the presumptive culprit: a measly 12.6% LD rate (despite an unchanged GB:FB ratio...meaning all those LD have become flies...and there’s his 51% FB rate, up from 49% in AA last year and mid-high 30s in his first few stops (44% in Salem 2018). And worse, his HR/FB rate is dropping...the steady HR rate is just because he’s hitting a bunch more FB. It sure seems like he’s gotten a little infatuated with hitting bombs (or trying to), and gotten away from focusing on hard contact. Sorta like Chavis described early in his career. Seems to me Dalbec could boost the BABIP (and BA, and probably IsoP, and probably production in general) by getting back to his 2018 Salem “hard to all fields” approach, where he was 40/27/33 P/C/O with a stellar 28% LD rate (not to mention, 27% HR/FB ratio). I really wanna get excited for the guy. He’s so close to being a GUY. I suppose the positive takeaway is that he’s cut the whiffs into totally acceptable territory, while still drawing a ton of walks. That was step 1. So reducing his FB rate by getting back to a more LD-oriented approach probably sees a big boost in BA/OBP. With the K rate improvement, that could mean an MLB-viable hit tool. And with the juicy ball, still plenty of HR. Just gotta adjust, again.
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Post by caseytins on Jul 20, 2019 10:40:58 GMT -5
Baseball America released their mid season top 100 rankings and after starting the year with no one, the Red Sox now have three top 100 prospects. Triston Casas: 75 Bryan Mata: 89 Bobby Dalbec: 96 And that’s not counting Jarren Duran, who was previously 93 but dropped out of the top 100 but is presumably right outside. Things are looking up. Does this list include any of this year's draft signings? I just found out that my BA subscription has expired..
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 20, 2019 10:56:07 GMT -5
Baseball America released their mid season top 100 rankings and after starting the year with no one, the Red Sox now have three top 100 prospects. Triston Casas: 75 Bryan Mata: 89 Bobby Dalbec: 96 And that’s not counting Jarren Duran, who was previously 93 but dropped out of the top 100 but is presumably right outside. Things are looking up. Does this list include any of this year's draft signings? I just found out that my BA subscription has expired.. Yeah, it included them. Only two I remember were Rutschman at 5 and Witt Jr at 21.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 20, 2019 11:59:39 GMT -5
From the Fangraphs preseason list where Rafaela was mentioned as a lower-level hitter to watch (he didn't rank in the Top 26 at the time): www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=sa3005581&position=3B/SSHe’s sporting a pretty impressive isoP for a little guy. Lots of contact, not taking many walks. Then again, he’s seen **83%** strikes this year (after 78% last year). Seems like his size has guys pouring it over and he’s learning to take advantage (20% HR/FB rate; BABIP is a bit low for a speedy guy at .278). His pull rate is up quite a bit this year to go along with the power spike, but he still spreads it around fairly well. Maybe some budding selectivity on pitches he can drive? 7-7 SB in 13 games, too. Interesting guy, especially if he can stick at SS. That’d make him *real* intriguing. GCL teams don't keep pitch counts. That number is not correct.
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Post by ramireja on Jul 23, 2019 12:11:08 GMT -5
Prospects Live Red Sox Top 10 (and all other AL East teams): 1. Casas 2. Darwinzon 3. Dalbec 4. Mata 5. Gilberto 6. Flores 7. Duran 8. Lugo 9. Groome 10. Song
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Post by iii on Jul 23, 2019 16:57:46 GMT -5
Much better depth, but Casas, Hernandez, Mata, Groome and Song are all potential impact players
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Post by telson13 on Jul 23, 2019 22:32:06 GMT -5
www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=sa3005581&position=3B/SSHe’s sporting a pretty impressive isoP for a little guy. Lots of contact, not taking many walks. Then again, he’s seen **83%** strikes this year (after 78% last year). Seems like his size has guys pouring it over and he’s learning to take advantage (20% HR/FB rate; BABIP is a bit low for a speedy guy at .278). His pull rate is up quite a bit this year to go along with the power spike, but he still spreads it around fairly well. Maybe some budding selectivity on pitches he can drive? 7-7 SB in 13 games, too. Interesting guy, especially if he can stick at SS. That’d make him *real* intriguing. GCL teams don't keep pitch counts. That number is not correct. Ah, that makes more sense. Seemed (very) irrationally high.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 24, 2019 5:27:39 GMT -5
System seems poised to make a huge jump in terms of national outlets in the rankings next year. Not there yet, but it will be.
Guys like Flores, Gilberto Jimenez, Groome, Mata, Lugo, Decker, Shugart, and of course Casas could change prospective on the Sox farm system real soon. That's a lot of great young talent and most of these guys are already performing in the low levels. There are a few standout tools on this list too. Two clear starting pitchers in Mata and Groome. Two clear short stops in Flores and Lugo. Casas' power. Jimenez's speed. Dalbec's power and arm.
I expect Dombrowski to trade someone in the top 10 this trade deadline if the Sox are contending though, and that'll reset this thought, however.
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Post by ryan24 on Jul 24, 2019 5:48:04 GMT -5
System seems poised to make a huge jump in terms of national outlets in the rankings next year. Not there yet, but it will be. Guys like Flores, Gilberto Jimenez, Groome, Mata, Lugo, Decker, Shugart, and of course Casas could change prospective on the Sox farm system real soon. That's a lot of great young talent and most of these guys are already performing in the low levels. There are a few standout tools on this list too. Two clear starting pitchers in Mata and Groome. Two clear short stops in Flores and Lugo. Casas' power. Jimenez's speed. Dalbec's power and arm. I expect Dombrowski to trade someone in the top 10 this trade deadline if the Sox are contending though, and that'll reset this thought, however. Any speculation on who gets traded? And for what? relief? I would think, like you I believe, that the most likely guy would be Dalbec. Because of Devers and Chavis in front and Casas behind. Along with 2 or 3 other 3rd prospects.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 24, 2019 10:16:48 GMT -5
Let's stay on topic in this thread. There are a bunch of threads in which trades are being discussed.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 24, 2019 10:19:33 GMT -5
Prospects Live Red Sox Top 10 (and all other AL East teams): 1. Casas 2. Darwinzon 3. Dalbec 4. Mata 5. Gilberto 6. Flores 7. Duran 8. Lugo 9. Groome 10. Song I disagree with the specific rankings (although don't begrudge any as clearly wrong - 2 through like 15 or 16 is a free-for-all), but the summary is on point. The depth has improved dramatically from pre-draft 2018, but other than Casas, I don't think there's another 50 projection guy yet. "Yet" being a key term. Every guy behind him has clear strengths and weaknesses that keep them from making that step up for now at least.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 24, 2019 17:09:43 GMT -5
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Post by incandenza on Jul 25, 2019 14:31:40 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 25, 2019 15:43:11 GMT -5
What's amusing about this is that the Yankees were seen as hoarding their prospects and refusing to make big trades because they valued them so much while the Red Sox traded more prospects than any team I can remember in a short time and won a World Series. And now here we are.
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