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Post by coachmac on Jun 23, 2019 11:10:14 GMT -5
You sent this to the wrong poster(s). No way I'm giving up Dalbec for Giles. No trades for relievers for our top prospects unless he is a lockdown for sure. Many on here wanted Herrera last year. Okay for Giles and or others but not for a top propsect. Just remember, our top prospects are on the lowest rated farm system. It's possible that you are overrating our guys?? Sarasoxer- guilty as charged. Soxjim- I was sending the message I was attaching comments to your's to support your position. In general, I believe the Sox need to wait until Wright, Eovaldi and Hembree return before determining what needs to be done. With the dearth of good relief and almost every contender needing pitching help, really good pichers are going to cost alot in terms of prospects.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 23, 2019 11:19:00 GMT -5
Barnes is unavailable today. I'd imagine Shawaryn is too.
Rick Porcello needs to go deep today.
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Post by hammerhead on Jun 23, 2019 11:27:24 GMT -5
I would trade something like CJ Chatham and Alex Scherff plus lottery ticket youngster for Giles. We have a bunch of left side of the infield and starters who profile as reliever capital. That's where I'd trade from.
I think DD can get a reliever without gutting the system.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 23, 2019 11:51:50 GMT -5
I would trade something like CJ Chatham and Alex Scherff plus lottery ticket youngster for Giles. We have a bunch of left side of the infield and starters who profile as reliever capital. That's where I'd trade from. I think DD can get a reliever without gutting the system. I'm willing to bet it takes at least Dalbec, if not Casas. That's how lowly viewed the Red Sox farm system is right now. Casas just entered MLB top 100 at 96.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 23, 2019 11:56:13 GMT -5
Just as an exercise, if you're a Rays fan (of the 10-12 of them), would you be that upset if they gave up Shane Baz for a closer throwing 98 and a FIP near 1 with the year and farm system they have?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 23, 2019 11:58:33 GMT -5
Barnes is unavailable today. I'd imagine Shawaryn is too. Rick Porcello needs to go deep today. If Rick is on, he's the most likely to go deep. Red Sox fortunate to have his number called today.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 23, 2019 12:13:03 GMT -5
Vlad Jrs ability to foul tough pitches off is incredible. He's so much like his dad at the plate. No pitch is safe enough to keep him from hitting the ball.
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Post by soxjim on Jun 23, 2019 12:15:53 GMT -5
You sent this to the wrong poster(s). No way I'm giving up Dalbec for Giles. No trades for relievers for our top prospects unless he is a lockdown for sure. Many on here wanted Herrera last year. Okay for Giles and or others but not for a top propsect. Just remember, our top prospects are on the lowest rated farm system. It's possible that you are overrating our guys?? The relievers we have traded for-- how many have worked out? Last year at the trade deadline- how many of the relievers worked out extremely well? Chavis wasn't even top 100 and he isn't that bad, is he? How many at last year's trade deadline were extremely good? That's what the SOx need, right? AN extremely good reliever? It's possible we're overrating the other team's players, right? I mena I hear Pablo Sandoval is available again. J/k but you get the point.
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Post by hammerhead on Jun 23, 2019 12:15:59 GMT -5
Just as an exercise, if you're a Rays fan (of the 10-12 of them), would you be that upset if they gave up Shane Baz for a closer throwing 98 and a FIP near 1 with the year and farm system they have? I know what you're saying (arm farm is bad) but do the Rays take on a guy who's going to arbitration till 2021 and makes 6.3million a year to close when they have Yates?
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Post by soxjim on Jun 23, 2019 12:16:51 GMT -5
I would trade something like CJ Chatham and Alex Scherff plus lottery ticket youngster for Giles. We have a bunch of left side of the infield and starters who profile as reliever capital. That's where I'd trade from. I think DD can get a reliever without gutting the system. I'm willing to bet it takes at least Dalbec, if not Casas. That's how lowly viewed the Red Sox farm system is right now. Casas just entered MLB top 100 at 96. Then I wouldn't make that trade. No way.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 23, 2019 12:17:37 GMT -5
Just as an exercise, if you're a Rays fan (of the 10-12 of them), would you be that upset if they gave up Shane Baz for a closer throwing 98 and a FIP near 1 with the year and farm system they have? But do the Rays take on a guy who's going to arbitration till 2021 and makes 6.3million a year to close when they have Yates? Rays would take on money for a year or two. They avoid the long term big money deals. The Rays were in the running for Kimbrel with a two year offer on the table.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 23, 2019 12:21:35 GMT -5
Just as an exercise, if you're a Rays fan (of the 10-12 of them), would you be that upset if they gave up Shane Baz for a closer throwing 98 and a FIP near 1 with the year and farm system they have? But do the Rays take on a guy who's going to arbitration till 2021 and makes 6.3million a year to close when they have Yates? More if an example. I don't think the Rays need him, but say Yates gets hurt and is out awhile? The Cubs gave up Torres for a half season of Chapman. The Rays theoretically could just flip Giles in the off-season. Again, just used them since they're a team having a good year and have a good farm. I'd have to think about the other real possibilities and what those teams theoretically might be willing to part with. You're also asking for in-division trading which is usually tougher. Toronto would want to feel like they easily won this deal.
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Post by hammerhead on Jun 23, 2019 12:21:44 GMT -5
But do the Rays take on a guy who's going to arbitration till 2021 and makes 6.3million a year to close when they have Yates? Rays would take on money for a year or two. They avoid the long term big money deals. The Rays were in the running for Kimbrel with a two year offer on the table. Hey, I'm trying to further "justify" your point here... We need an arm 😁
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Post by station13 on Jun 23, 2019 12:25:57 GMT -5
What does this team hit in the first inning? Benny is like 3-40 before being dropped. That hasn't helped much.
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Post by hammerhead on Jun 23, 2019 12:26:26 GMT -5
But do the Rays take on a guy who's going to arbitration till 2021 and makes 6.3million a year to close when they have Yates? More if an example. I don't think the Rays need him, but say Yates gets hurt and is out awhile? The Cubs gave up Torres for a half season of Chapman. The Rays theoretically could just flip Giles in the off-season. Again, just used them since they're a team having a good year and have a good farm. I'd have to think about the other real possibilities and what those teams theoretically might be willing to part with. You're also asking for in-division trading which is usually tougher. Toronto would want to feel like they easily won this deal. Do you think Toronto easily feels like they won the Steve Pearce trade? They're in full rebuild. I don't know exactly what it'll take to get Giles. It won't be 100% pain free. I just hate to waste any year we can make the playoffs. Even if it's just the wildcard. This team should be going for it.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 23, 2019 12:31:10 GMT -5
What does this team hit in the first inning? Benny is like 3-40 before being dropped. That hasn't helped much. Nothing. They don't hit in the first inning. Season long issue.
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Post by station13 on Jun 23, 2019 12:36:10 GMT -5
What does this team hit in the first inning? Benny is like 3-40 before being dropped. That hasn't helped much. Nothing. They don't hit in the first inning. Season long issue. Kinda incredible with an MVP and usually JDM hitting. Ughh what a season. Nothing has gone according to expectation.
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Post by soxjim on Jun 23, 2019 12:38:21 GMT -5
More if an example. I don't think the Rays need him, but say Yates gets hurt and is out awhile? The Cubs gave up Torres for a half season of Chapman. The Rays theoretically could just flip Giles in the off-season. Again, just used them since they're a team having a good year and have a good farm. I'd have to think about the other real possibilities and what those teams theoretically might be willing to part with. You're also asking for in-division trading which is usually tougher. Toronto would want to feel like they easily won this deal. Do you think Toronto easily feels like they won the Steve Pearce trade? They're in full rebuild. I don't know exactly what it'll take to get Giles. It won't be 100% pain free. I just hate to waste any year we can make the playoffs. Even if it's just the wildcard. This team should be going for it. So why settle on Giles? Are you certain he is a stud? You know Joe Kelly and Familia throw big time heat too. I'm all for getting relievers only not at the expense of our top prospects unless they are an unquestioned studs. How many times before we learn with Smith and Thornburg? Were you in the crowd last year to get Herrera? Or how about this past year were you in the crowd of let's get anybody which you agreed with others to get Familia?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 23, 2019 12:39:57 GMT -5
Awful send. What are you doing there?
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Post by station13 on Jun 23, 2019 12:42:40 GMT -5
This team is kinda unbelievable.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 23, 2019 12:42:57 GMT -5
Do you think Toronto easily feels like they won the Steve Pearce trade? They're in full rebuild. I don't know exactly what it'll take to get Giles. It won't be 100% pain free. I just hate to waste any year we can make the playoffs. Even if it's just the wildcard. This team should be going for it. So why settle on Giles? Are you certain he is a stud? You know Joe Kelly and Familia throw big time heat too. I'm all for getting relievers only not at the expense of our top prospects unless they are an unquestioned studs. How many times before we learn with Smith and Thornburg? Were you in the crowd last year to get Herrera? Or how about this past year were you in the crowd of let's get anybody which you agreed with others to get Familia? Giles is a stud. He is striking out over 15 an inning, and walking less than 3 a inning. He's due for some regression because his LOB% is at 90% but he is having a vintage Kimbrel like season.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 23, 2019 12:49:31 GMT -5
Nothing. They don't hit in the first inning. Season long issue. Kinda incredible with an MVP and usually JDM hitting. Ughh what a season. Nothing has gone according to expectation.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 23, 2019 12:51:05 GMT -5
Awful send. What are you doing there? I will never understand these sends on balls hit to shallow left - which tends to have OFs playing in anyway because of the wall.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 23, 2019 12:51:32 GMT -5
The younger Gurriel brother will have a better career than his older brother.
JBJ could have caught that ball. Struggling at home to Toronto. Ugh.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 23, 2019 12:53:40 GMT -5
Just remember, our top prospects are on the lowest rated farm system. It's possible that you are overrating our guys?? The relievers we have traded for-- how many have worked out? Last year at the trade deadline- how many of the relievers worked out extremely well? Chavis wasn't even top 100 and he isn't that bad, is he? How many at last year's trade deadline were extremely good? That's what the SOx need, right? AN extremely good reliever? It's possible we're overrating the other team's players, right? I mena I hear Pablo Sandoval is available again. J/k but you get the point. Yup I know relievers are more the gamble excepting an upper crust. Dalbec is light tower excitement but we are fixed at first and third for a good while with perhaps more coming. I think that the Sox would do that trade in a heartbeat but not Toronto.
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