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Post by foreverred9 on Sept 30, 2021 17:41:24 GMT -5
His performance this year is actually pretty close to his value. 2.8 fWAR, 8M a WAR on the open market, so that's 22M right there. It's front-loaded though per Chris's comment above, just 0.4 fWAR since the break. With that said, I wouldn't feel comfortable giving him 20M a year going forward though as there's just not much upside left. I'd rather spread that money out on a few folks like Kiké/Renfroe/Marwin/etc. to see if we can get a breakout performance from one or two that gets us excess of 20M of value. But from JDs point of view you have to wonder if he’s thinking damn…crappy 2020, poor 2021 finish, maybe now is the chance to get that 3 year deal. Maybe not 20 million per but, say 40-45 over 3. If I’m him I’d do it. I’m not sure another year in Fenway with those fly balls dying in right center will be good for him. Agreed, it's a fair consideration. I'm just countering the "JDM underperformed" narrative as it feels like he's getting paid what he's worth. The broader observation I have is JDM is a great example how spending on FAs is not economical, you can't win with a bunch of players getting paid 8M per WAR. You need the young value players to offset that inefficiency. It's just a matter of making sure you give the right guys the 8M per WAR contract, which to me is Devers and maybe Xander. I'll pay top dollar for homegrown players in their 27-33 years.
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 30, 2021 17:41:46 GMT -5
Assorted thoughts: 1) After the season he had and heading into a labor stoppage, not necessarily a given he does that well on this market. Remember, he needs to decide on the QO in 10 days. 2) Even if they get the universal DH in this CBA, when is it going to get signed? Is he going to have time this offseason to maximize his value compared to next offseason? 3) His 2021 wasn't THAT good, especially the way he tailed off (.269/.317/.474 since the ASB - you giving that guy $20M?). 4) There's no chance he accepts the QO given that he'll have just opted out of $19.3M or whatever his final season is, right? So if he opts out, you almost certainly offer it to him. However, that's another reason he might just stay - he's going to have the QO attached probably if he heads elsewhere and that'll affect his value. Maybe wait and see how it works in the next CBA. I think when all is said and done he stays. EDIT: Actually, maybe he opts out in order to accept the QO and then hit FA free of it next offseason? If it's for roughly the same price... That's an interesting thought that hadn't crossed my mind. The pay is roughly the same as you say. If he thinks the sox will offer him a QO but also wants to stay one more year for the 19ish mil he'd get from opting in. May as well accept the QO and be a free agent next that he would be anyway with no QO attached. The risk would be that he doesn't get a QO and the best he gets offered is something like Nelson Cruz 1 year 13 mil or so.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Oct 1, 2021 12:44:56 GMT -5
I think he can still hit. Good offensive player, but I think he's going to opt out and Bloom won't shed a tear about it. If he does, neither will I, but I doubt he beats what he's making on the open market, even if the DH comes to the NL. His bat speed is down, so he's going to get more exposed to fastballs on the outer corner unless he finds himself again. Ok player who made himself a plus hitter for a good stretch, now is the time to walk away though. I'd rather have Schwarber/Dalbec getting AB's at DH and it's probably more cost effective as well to go that route. Tip my cap to him and his service to the team but hard pass on re-upping him if he opts out. I think at this point he has to be thinking more about total earnings than AAV for his age 34-36 seasons. In that sense, if he opts out he should probably be able to get about 3 yrs/$45m from a team whose window is open now and they want to inject a big bat into their lineup for at least one, maybe two, if you're lucky, three years. (I had a lengthy back-and-forth with someone about this a few weeks ago in a different thread, arguing that TOR could be one such club.) That's $25.5m more than he's making if he opts in.
So he has to ask himself "Self, how likely am I to guarantee us at least a new 2 yr/$26m contract based on my performance in 2022?" He would not get that if he posted his 2021 second-half numbers spread over all of 2022 and that would leave him in a spot where he would need to take a one-year show-me deal for way less in 2023 (age 35) and hope for a renaissance then.
I think Boras has already taken the temperature of at least the AL and it would surprise me if he couldn't find 3/45. If JD doesn't opt out, it means that 3/45 simply isn't there.
The QO would really throw a wrench into it, though. Not sure even Boras could find a taker at 3/45 *plus* a high draft pick although there are lots of SS out there who will be signed off of QOs, so maybe a team that signs one of those SSs would be willing to part with a lesser pick for JD at that rate. Prolly wouldn't be TOR, tho...
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 1, 2021 13:46:04 GMT -5
Just some interesting facts his exit velocity, Barrell % and hard hit % all three are three year highs. With his EV and hard hit % being above his career averages.
His percentile ranking 90 for EV, 89 for max EV, 89 for hard hit percentage.
Maybe his wrist injury messed with him for a few months? He's hit .351, .306, .253, .244, .276 and .289 in September. The .253 and. 244 being right after the injury. The farther you move away from the injury the better he's getting. I wish I could find statcast data by month to see if he started to hit the ball less hard right after the injury. Maybe it's nothing, yet wrist injuries are massive for hitters and the numbers seem to indicate it was a problem.
Maybe I'm cherry picking data, that always happens in these debates. Yet I'm not seeing any huge red flags in his stat cast data. Which if this was the start of a major decline you likely would. If it's the wrist and he's just been playing through it, we might be selling Martinez short.
I'm all for him picking up the option, getting and accepting a QO or a three year 45 million extension. There are no bad one year deals and that's not stopping the Red Sox from finding players who might give you more excess value. Heck I really love the chance for excess value on a 3 year 45 million deal. I'm also going to predict that the price per war starts to really go up in the next CBA. It basically has too, you can't have the Red Sox making around 600 million and having a 200 million payroll if the players should get around 50%.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Oct 1, 2021 14:36:52 GMT -5
Just some interesting facts his exit velocity, Barrell % and hard hit % all three are three year highs. With his EV and hard hit % being above his career averages. His percentile ranking 90 for EV, 89 for max EV, 89 for hard hit percentage. Maybe his wrist injury messed with him for a few months? He's hit .351, .306, .253, .244, .276 and .289 in September. The .253 and. 244 being right after the injury. The farther you move away from the injury the better he's getting. I wish I could find statcast data by month to see if he started to hit the ball less hard right after the injury. Maybe it's nothing, yet wrist injuries are massive for hitters and the numbers seem to indicate it was a problem. Maybe I'm cherry picking data, that always happens in these debates. Yet I'm not seeing any huge red flags in his stat cast data. Which if this was the start of a major decline you likely would. If it's the wrist and he's just been playing through it, we might be selling Martinez short. I'm all for him picking up the option, getting and accepting a QO or a three year 45 million extension. There are no bad one year deals and that's not stopping the Red Sox from finding players who might give you more excess value. Heck I really love the chance for excess value on a 3 year 45 million deal. I'm also going to predict that the price per war starts to really go up in the next CBA. It basically has too, you can't have the Red Sox making around 600 million and having a 200 million payroll if the players should get around 50%. Hadn't seen those stats. I think they increase the likelihood that he opts out and signs a 3-yr deal somewhere, perhaps even with a draft pick attached. And it's not like his traditional numbers - 28 dongs, 99 steaks, 42 doubles, closing in on 300 TB, .870 OPS, with three games to go - are lousy and you have to rely on peripherals to sell him. (Obviously, teams are not signing guys based on traditional numbers anymore but they do make the PR easier.) I just think that if it's up to Chaim, he'll move on from JD, as I think he'd prefer to invest a bit more in defense and roster flexibility - just look at the guys he signed last off-season: Enrique, Marwin, Renfroe, Santana. Different spot on the rebuild curve but pretty much the opposite of DH-only guys.
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Post by ematz1423 on Oct 1, 2021 15:24:12 GMT -5
The more I think about how much JD may want if he opts out I think 3 years 45 is probably low. That's 15 million a year when he could just stay and get 19 this year. If he plays this for the 19 even if he signed back to back deals for the same as what Cruz got this year 1 year 13 million he'd reach the 45 million over 3 years. So chances are he can do better than that especially if/when the MLB adds the DH to the NL. He's probably going to want 3 years 55-60.
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Post by GyIantosca on Oct 2, 2021 10:10:42 GMT -5
If he opts out , he opts out time to move on. We have to realized the next year or two the core is gonna change. The last year they cleaned up the bottom of the roster. I really think Devers will be the next DH.
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Post by ghostofrussgibson on Oct 2, 2021 14:32:18 GMT -5
No one wanted JD when he first hit free agency. Boston's was pretty much his only option. Ball's in his court, but I suspect Boston could move Devers to DH or maybe an outfielder there if it came to that. I'm not thrilled with having a guy who can capabily 'only' play DH while being a liability in the field.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Oct 3, 2021 6:57:04 GMT -5
Assorted thoughts: 1) After the season he had and heading into a labor stoppage, not necessarily a given he does that well on this market. Remember, he needs to decide on the QO in 10 days. 2) Even if they get the universal DH in this CBA, when is it going to get signed? Is he going to have time this offseason to maximize his value compared to next offseason? 3) His 2021 wasn't THAT good, especially the way he tailed off (.269/.317/.474 since the ASB - you giving that guy $20M?). 4) There's no chance he accepts the QO given that he'll have just opted out of $19.3M or whatever his final season is, right? So if he opts out, you almost certainly offer it to him. However, that's another reason he might just stay - he's going to have the QO attached probably if he heads elsewhere and that'll affect his value. Maybe wait and see how it works in the next CBA. I think when all is said and done he stays. EDIT: Actually, maybe he opts out in order to accept the QO and then hit FA free of it next offseason? If it's for roughly the same price... That's an interesting thought that hadn't crossed my mind. The pay is roughly the same as you say. If he thinks the sox will offer him a QO but also wants to stay one more year for the 19ish mil he'd get from opting in. May as well accept the QO and be a free agent next that he would be anyway with no QO attached. The risk would be that he doesn't get a QO and the best he gets offered is something like Nelson Cruz 1 year 13 mil or so. I agree with your last sentence. If it is assumed the Red Sox do make a qualifying offer if JD opts out, so they can get a draft pick. I think they would not make a QO and just resign Schwarber to a 3 or 4 year contract assume they talk to Schwarber and he wants to stay as the mainly DH / OF assuming the FO would rather have him. If they make a QO then they must be prepared to keep JD if he accepts it. I would rather have Schwarber, so I would let JD walk. If JD opts-out then he has to be prepared to wait even longer than he did in 2018 and be prepared to accept less than the $19.35 million he would get by staying. My read on this is that he opts in and forgoes the hassle and risk if the Red Sox do not offer a QO. If JD opts in .... great. I would still resign Schwarber and trade JD to a NL team that has just been told that the DH is now going to be used in the NL.....JD and cash for prospects (no Franchys please).
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Post by worldbfree on Oct 3, 2021 8:56:24 GMT -5
I would assume JD only opts in if he and his agent get signals that more money isn’t available in free agency. I doubt you could sign him and then just trade him to a NL team
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Post by GyIantosca on Oct 3, 2021 13:10:34 GMT -5
You know in the next CBA, if a player opts out a team should get a allotted pick. Not punish the team signing player but if Xander goes, JD Goes,, what about Sale? No matter how I feel regarding there monetary value the team should get an allotted pick if it falls in a criteria . That is fair.
Not they allotted picks they hand out every season for the same 6 teams. It’s funny teams have money , no they don’t have money. Give me a break on some of these teams.
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Post by stevedillard on Oct 3, 2021 15:21:13 GMT -5
Can we contribute to the opt out fund?
34 year old DH with a rebound year that was still comprised mostly of a good first 5 weeks, and a bad finish. Age catches up to everyone, and three more years will not be kind. I would not even QO him.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 4, 2021 6:46:05 GMT -5
You know in the next CBA, if a player opts out a team should get a allotted pick. Not punish the team signing player but if Xander goes, JD Goes,, what about Sale? No matter how I feel regarding there monetary value the team should get an allotted pick if it falls in a criteria . That is fair. Not they allotted picks they hand out every season for the same 6 teams. It’s funny teams have money , no they don’t have money. Give me a break on some of these teams. I agree with this. Give a pick like they do in the NFL but don't penalize a team for signing the player. This seems like a no brainer that they should learn from this past CBA.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 5, 2021 9:13:27 GMT -5
Cat and mouse here. I'm trying to take a head count ... two cats, three mice? Maybe vice versa.
If J.D. doesn't opt out, the Sox may well trade him and sign Schwarber. [*]
So he opts out to control where he goes.
The Sox can PLAN A let him go and sign Schwarber. But ...
They can also PLAN B offer him a QO. Turning it down would be risky for J.D., because he certainly has value, but maybe not so much that you'd give up a draft pick ... so he might well end up sitting out the first half of the year. That's an awful scenario, and it's quite possible. So JDM accepts.
And then the Sox trade him mid-season to make room for Casas. If he's off to a hot start again, they might do better than they would this winter.
Net result of the opt-out for JDM: a pay cut for 2022 and having to change teams mid-season instead of over the winter. But he would then be a free agent ... exactly when he would have been anyway, but without the threat of a Q.O. to wrestle with.
Now, it's not clear at all that the Sox would choose plan B over A. But the possibility of that might deter him from opting out.
Plan B isn't bad at all for the Sox. If JDM has a great year and injuries create space on the roster for him and Casas, they can keep him and give him a QO; he likely turns it down and they get a pick. they'll be glad they kept him around.
And in fact the way Plan B works, with the extra flexibility of keeping or trading JDM, and the small chance of getting a pick for him ... it's not so clear that trading him and signing Schwarber is that good an idea!
Cats: Sox ask, should we stick with JDM or upgrade to Schwarber? If the latter, if JDM opts out, do we give him a QO? That's just two cats. But if they decide to stick with JDM, the second question is answered. So the Sox are in a super position. [**]
Mice: JDM asks, will they trade me this winter? If I opt out just to block that, will they give me a QO? If they do and I turn it down, will anyone sign me, or will I get Kimbrelized? If I accept it, do I get traded anyway next year? That's four mice. [***]
[*] I still like the idea of signing him to a 1-year deal by adding the value of the draft pick they'd get for him to the contract, making it yards better than anyone else will offer him ... but they could also sign him to a multi-year deal and then move either him or Dalbec over the winter.
[**] Not literally; quantum mechanics joke.
[***] Not bothering with a Disney joke, although I know a great Minnie-one.
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Post by incandenza on Oct 5, 2021 13:24:02 GMT -5
Cat and mouse here. I'm trying to take a head count ... two cats, three mice? Maybe vice versa.
If J.D. doesn't opt out, the Sox may well trade him and sign Schwarber. [*]
So he opts out to control where he goes.
The Sox can PLAN A let him go and sign Schwarber. But ...
They can also PLAN B offer him a QO. Turning it down would be risky for J.D., because he certainly has value, but maybe not so much that you'd give up a draft pick ... so he might well end up sitting out the first half of the year. That's an awful scenario, and it's quite possible. So JDM accepts.
And then the Sox trade him mid-season to make room for Casas. If he's off to a hot start again, they might do better than they would this winter.
Net result of the opt-out for JDM: a pay cut for 2022 and having to change teams mid-season instead of over the winter. But he would then be a free agent ... exactly when he would have been anyway, but without the threat of a Q.O. to wrestle with.
Now, it's not clear at all that the Sox would choose plan B over A. But the possibility of that might deter him from opting out.
Plan B isn't bad at all for the Sox. If JDM has a great year and injuries create space on the roster for him and Casas, they can keep him and give him a QO; he likely turns it down and they get a pick.
And in fact the way Plan B works, with the flexibility of keeping or trading JDM, and the small chance of getting a pick for him ... it's not so clear that trading him and signing Schwarber is that good an idea!
Cats: Sox ask, should we stick with JDM or upgrade to Schwarber? If the latter, if JDM opts out, do we give him a QO? That's just two cats. But if they decide to stick with JDM, the second question is answered. So the Sox are in a super position. [**]
Mice: JDM asks, will they trade me this winter? If I opt out just to block that, will they give me a QO? If they do and I turn it down, will anyone sign me, or will I get Kimbrelized? If I accept it, do I get traded anyway next year? That's four mice. [***]
[*] I still like the idea of signing him to a 1-year deal by adding the value of the draft pick they'd get for him to the contract, making it yards better than anyone else will offer him ... but they could also sign him to a multi-year deal and then move either him or Dalbec over the winter.
[**] Not literally; quantum mechanics joke.
[***] Not bothering with a Disney joke, although I know a great Minnie-one.
Isn't the deal, though, that you can't offer a QO to the same player two years in a row? So if JD accepted the QO this offseason he'd go into 2023 as a free agent with no draft pick attached. Which would be another reason for him to accept the QO. Which is what I increasingly think will happen.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Oct 5, 2021 14:31:29 GMT -5
I see something much simpler (although I'd love to hear the Minnie Mouse joke):
JD stays if:
a) he (i.e. Boras) cannot find something along the lines of 3/$45m elsewhere (because he'll definitely take that if it's there), in other words, he exercises his player option to get $19.35m if he has no market; or
ii) Chaim really wants to pay him $19+m, regardless of outside offers, and drops the QO on him, dampening the market for 3/$45m considerably and essentially forcing JD's hand to accept it.
If Chaim doesn't want to pay a bat-only guy $19+m (which I suspect he doesn't), I'm sure he'll signal that to Boras and JD would be free to take 3/$45m somewhere like Ontario, assuming Boras knows it's out there.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Oct 5, 2021 14:36:38 GMT -5
Note also that Schwarber will also be a FA, available to all 30 clubs, and is younger and coming off a breakout year (that his plate discipline and dead-CF power back up). He will be offered much better deals than JD, so if Chaim doesn't want to pay 1-yr/$19+m to a bat-only guy (my opinion), why would he want to pay multiple years at a similar AAV to a different bat-only guy? I'm not as sure as many seem to be of a Schwarber signing.
Indeed, he is competition for JD, meaning that a team that might be interested in JD at 3/$45m (and really, how many are there?) could turn around and sign Schwarber to something like 4/$80m (or the Canadian equivalent) instead. Also, Schwarber cannot get a QO because he was traded this year, which makes him that much more attractive and makes a QO to JD (again, only happens if Chaim really wants to keep JD on a one-year, expensive deal) sting that much more.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 5, 2021 14:37:48 GMT -5
My guess is JD opts out, Bloom has no problem with it, let's him walk without offering a QO and uses a good chunk of the annual amount to extend Kyle Schwarber.
I think Bloom is cool with letting JDM go. The bigger question is will JDM opt to stay? I think he'll opt out, force Bloom's hand, find out Bloom is fine with it, and be free to sign a 3 year $45 million deal or something like that.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Oct 5, 2021 14:55:23 GMT -5
I also don't see any sort of NBA-style sign-and-trade of JD (does it ever happen in MLB?). If JD is property of BOS this winter (following either an exercised player option or an accepted QO), it means that there was no market for him at 3/$45m, which means that if Chaim wanted to trade his 1-yr/$19+m contract (as always, you trade contracts, not players), he would have to eat quite a chunk of that to get any sort of prospect return. Might he entertain an already-over-the-tax-threshold, paying-cash-for-prospects type of deal (not unlike adding Price to the Mookie deal but only one year of dead money)? Perhaps but logistically it doesn't make a ton of sense for a team expecting to contend to trade one of their team leaders (who has been a de facto hitting coach for half the team). Why would you trade a middle-of-the-order bat for prospects in a pennant race? A DH on an expiring contract with negative surplus value (deficit value?) is not going to return a useful big-league player.
Similar argument against trading him mid-season to make way for Casas. Duran was tearing the cover off the ball in Polar Park and then not so much at Fenway. Dalbec also went through huge adjustments and is not out of the woods yet (his hitting slumps are like covid -- just when you think they're going away, they're back in a mutated form). Are we going to assume that Casas, who has barely tasted AAA coffee to this point, is going to just step right into JD's spot in the order? Plus, if JD is hitting well, why trade him? And if he's not, who would want him? Doesn't seem realistic to me.
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Post by cdj on Oct 5, 2021 15:14:51 GMT -5
I don’t think another team can give him more than a year on principle alone after that blooper the other night. Can’t be giving multiple years to a guy who can’t get out to his position
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Oct 5, 2021 18:06:47 GMT -5
Note also that Schwarber will also be a FA, available to all 30 clubs, and is younger and coming off a breakout year (that his plate discipline and dead-CF power back up). He will be offered much better deals than JD, so if Chaim doesn't want to pay 1-yr/$19+m to a bat-only guy (my opinion), why would he want to pay multiple years at a similar AAV to a different bat-only guy? I'm not as sure as many seem to be of a Schwarber signing. Indeed, he is competition for JD, meaning that a team that might be interested in JD at 3/$45m (and really, how many are there?) could turn around and sign Schwarber to something like 4/$80m (or the Canadian equivalent) instead. Also, Schwarber cannot get a QO because he was traded this year, which makes him that much more attractive and makes a QO to JD (again, only happens if Chaim really wants to keep JD on a one-year, expensive deal) sting that much more. Don’t we have an option on Schwarber?
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Post by ematz1423 on Oct 5, 2021 18:50:59 GMT -5
Note also that Schwarber will also be a FA, available to all 30 clubs, and is younger and coming off a breakout year (that his plate discipline and dead-CF power back up). He will be offered much better deals than JD, so if Chaim doesn't want to pay 1-yr/$19+m to a bat-only guy (my opinion), why would he want to pay multiple years at a similar AAV to a different bat-only guy? I'm not as sure as many seem to be of a Schwarber signing. Indeed, he is competition for JD, meaning that a team that might be interested in JD at 3/$45m (and really, how many are there?) could turn around and sign Schwarber to something like 4/$80m (or the Canadian equivalent) instead. Also, Schwarber cannot get a QO because he was traded this year, which makes him that much more attractive and makes a QO to JD (again, only happens if Chaim really wants to keep JD on a one-year, expensive deal) sting that much more. Don’t we have an option on Schwarber? Appears they have a mutual option for 11.5 million which he is all but assured to decline.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 6, 2021 2:14:02 GMT -5
I see something much simpler (although I'd love to hear the Minnie Mouse joke): JD stays if: a) he (i.e. Boras) cannot find something along the lines of 3/$45m elsewhere (because he'll definitely take that if it's there), in other words, he exercises his player option to get $19.35m if he has no market; or ii) Chaim really wants to pay him $19+m, regardless of outside offers, and drops the QO on him, dampening the market for 3/$45m considerably and essentially forcing JD's hand to accept it. If Chaim doesn't want to pay a bat-only guy $19+m (which I suspect he doesn't), I'm sure he'll signal that to Boras and JD would be free to take 3/$45m somewhere like Ontario, assuming Boras knows it's out there. It really helps that I can do the Mickey voice surprisingly well. You have to do it in your head.
So, Mickey Mouse's lawyer calls him up.
"Mickey, I see that you called the office and left me a message. And frankly I'm rather puzzled by it. It says you want to divorce Minnie because she's really silly. Mickey, that's not grounds for divorce in the State of California."
Mickey says, "I didn't say she was really silly! I said that she was f***ing Goofy!"
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 6, 2021 3:50:02 GMT -5
Now, it's not clear at all that the Sox would choose plan B over A. But the possibility of that might deter him from opting out.
Plan B isn't bad at all for the Sox. If JDM has a great year and injuries create space on the roster for him and Casas, they can keep him and give him a QO; he likely turns it down and they get a pick.
And in fact the way Plan B works, with the flexibility of keeping or trading JDM, and the small chance of getting a pick for him ... it's not so clear that trading him and signing Schwarber is that good an idea!
Isn't the deal, though, that you can't offer a QO to the same player two years in a row? So if JD accepted the QO this offseason he'd go into 2023 as a free agent with no draft pick attached. Which would be another reason for him to accept the QO. Which is what I increasingly think will happen. Good catch; fixed it.
A further thought about JDM's trade value: it's slightly enhanced by the possibility that he might have a good enough year to be worth a QO and have it turned down to get a pick. Furthermore, if the "second hitting coach" thing is real and valued they can offer him a QO knowing he'd likely accept it. So they're really getting an option year at what might well be an attractive price.
I have pointedly resisted looking at who might be interested in him for next year, either as a FA or in trade. I suppose I should do that at some point; it would be really silly for me to omit that step.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 6, 2021 12:42:13 GMT -5
It seams rather simple, he's likely not getting a big offer from an AL team. So it's what you think happens in the new CBA. I can see a bunch of NL teams spending big on DHs because it's something new. DD with the Phillies for example or even the Mets.
The safe bet is he just takes almost 20 million. Yet the opt out and get a QO makes sense, if he thinks the Red Sox do that.
Yet the ankle injury they are saying is bad, might take away his chance to showcase his talent to teams in the playoffs.
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