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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 17, 2019 8:15:59 GMT -5
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Post by ramireja on Jul 17, 2019 15:53:11 GMT -5
Is it a New England style YPA though? (I'll drink whatever...)
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Post by radiohix on Jul 17, 2019 16:41:56 GMT -5
In his last 10 games Bobby Dalbec has 11/4 BB/K.
A promotion should be in the near future right?
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 17, 2019 18:29:43 GMT -5
I mean, he is 5 for 27 in that stretch, and has no hits in his last four games. I am worried he's being too passive. Maybe you challenge that with a promotion but that's kinda player by player. Looked like he was catching fire at the end of June, but then started walking more and hitting less.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 17, 2019 18:30:45 GMT -5
In his last 10 games Bobby Dalbec has 11/4 BB/K. A promotion should be in the near future right? If promotions were based on BB/K in the previous 10 games, then yeah, for sure. But his strikeout rate over the previous month or so was back up over 30%, so maybe not. |
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Post by radiohix on Jul 17, 2019 18:50:25 GMT -5
In his last 10 games Bobby Dalbec has 11/4 BB/K. A promotion should be in the near future right? If promotions were based on BB/K in the previous 10 games, then yeah, for sure. But his strikeout rate over the previous month or so was back up over 30%, so maybe not. It's not about the previous 10 games, I mentioned the stat as an anecdote really. But the call for a promotion is based on the whole body of work. He has more than 500 PA in AA. Seems like he reached some main goals: He never walked that much (SoxScout mentioned a 22% since June 1st) and like you said in another thread "put a dent in his k%" and he kept hitting for power. Seems to me It's time for new challenges. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 17, 2019 20:51:20 GMT -5
I know.
Wouldn't mind getting him to Pawtucket to work with Crabbe on his defense actually. Have heard there's some regression this year.
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Post by sittingstill on Jul 17, 2019 22:04:01 GMT -5
Cole Sturgeon now pitching for the PawSox. One of those nights. (Just struck out his first batter, though!)
Edit: 1-2-3 top of the ninth.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 17, 2019 22:24:26 GMT -5
There's no chance in hell that a player is learning much at a level when he's walking over 15% of the time. That indicates that pitchers don't want to pitch to him more than that it's that he's selective and a perfect judge of the strike zone.
Also, I can't wait until his pop flies are home runs in AAA.
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Post by cdj on Jul 17, 2019 23:15:39 GMT -5
I was very excited about Montero last year, there have been a lot of pleasant surprises this year but he may be the thing I’m most disappointed about. Not that it’s really his fault or anything, I’m sure his health has impacted him
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 18, 2019 6:26:07 GMT -5
There's no chance in hell that a player is learning much at a level when he's walking over 15% of the time. That indicates that pitchers don't want to pitch to him more than that it's that he's selective and a perfect judge of the strike zone. Also, I can't wait until his pop flies are home runs in AAA. So you think that Flores isn't learning anything, then? |
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 18, 2019 7:27:32 GMT -5
If promotions were based on BB/K in the previous 10 games, then yeah, for sure. But his strikeout rate over the previous month or so was back up over 30%, so maybe not. It's not about the previous 10 games, I mentioned the stat as an anecdote really. But the call for a promotion is based on the whole body of work. He has more than 500 PA in AA. Seems like he reached some main goals: He never walked that much (SoxScout mentioned a 22% since June 1st) and like you said in another thread "put a dent in his k%" and he kept hitting for power. Seems to me It's time for new challenges. Yeah, I think there's a good argument that his development would better be served by a different challenge, but I just kinda had to push back against the idea that his K/BB indicates that he's playing well. He isn't particularly. He's hitting .204 in July, and it's the second highest batting average he's had in a month this year. There's no chance in hell that a player is learning much at a level when he's walking over 15% of the time. That indicates that pitchers don't want to pitch to him more than that it's that he's selective and a perfect judge of the strike zone. Also, I can't wait until his pop flies are home runs in AAA. So you think that Flores isn't learning anything, then? Or that Triple-A pitchers simply want nothing to do with Josh Ockimey? Players with a 17% walk rate over the years in 100 PA: 2018: Garrett Benge (17.5%) 2017: Ricardo Cubillan (23.1%); Cole Brannen (18.8%) 2016: Bryan Hudson (18.8%); Ricardo Cubillan (18.8%), Josh Ockimey (17.6%) 2015: Devon Fisher (22.0%) I just can't say there's a lot of evidence that walking a lot indicates what you think it does. We already knew Dalbec had a super-patient approach. I'm excited that he's cut his K rate significantly, and I think it's a trend in the right direction, but he's replaced too many of those strikeouts, as well as too many of his hard-hit balls, with pop ups. He's waiting out a ton of pitches, but he's either not swinging at the good ones, or he is swinging at them and making poor contact too often. I hate to keep being relatively bearish on him, and I'm not trying to bash him, but to me he's gotta get more hits. And again, I actually agree that he might be better served in Triple-A. My disagreement is that he's conquered Double-A in such a way that it demands a promotion. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 18, 2019 9:27:45 GMT -5
Yeah that's fair. I'm probably in that same boat. I'm fine with a Dalbec promotion, but at the same time, he's not wasting his time in AA either.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 18, 2019 9:47:21 GMT -5
He has the 5th OPS, the 2nd highest IsoP while being close to drop out of the EL top 20 in K%.
Even when you don't look to the Walk rate, you can see that he's been elite for his league.
I get the concern regarding his BABIP issues and batted balls profile but it could be random luck considering that he's always been a high BABIP. I remember Benny hitting a high number of popups in Lowell then it went away. Those things seem random to me and could change from a level to the other and who knows what happens when his bat meets those ML balls in AAA? What type of balls in play profile he'll be getting?
To me he did the most important thing from a development stand point: reducing whiffs without hurting his power production.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 18, 2019 10:29:40 GMT -5
He has the 5th OPS, the 2nd highest IsoP while being close to drop out of the EL top 20 in K%. Even when you don't look to the Walk rate, you can see that he's been elite for his league. I get the concern regarding his BABIP issues and batted balls profile but it could be random luck considering that he's always been a high BABIP. I remember Benny hitting a high number of popups in Lowell then it went away. Those things seem random to me and could change from a level to the other and who knows what happens when his bat meets those ML balls in AAA? What type of balls in play profile he'll be getting? To me he did the most important thing from a development stand point: reducing whiffs without hurting his power production. Right: the optimistic-but-not-crazy view is that he's waiting through a ton of pitches and hitting more of the ones he is swinging at, and the contact quality is smallish-sample noise. That's very, very reasonable. I'm just mostly pushing back on the "he's walking a lot so that proves he's mastered the level" narrative. We knew he could wait out pitches. I just need him to punish more of them. (FWIW, the "without hurting his power production" might not be quite right either. His HR/PA is down from 7.03 to 5.08, and his HR/contact is down from 11.50% to 9.27%.) |
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 19, 2019 13:05:38 GMT -5
He has the 5th OPS, the 2nd highest IsoP while being close to drop out of the EL top 20 in K%. Even when you don't look to the Walk rate, you can see that he's been elite for his league. I get the concern regarding his BABIP issues and batted balls profile but it could be random luck considering that he's always been a high BABIP. I remember Benny hitting a high number of popups in Lowell then it went away. Those things seem random to me and could change from a level to the other and who knows what happens when his bat meets those ML balls in AAA? What type of balls in play profile he'll be getting? To me he did the most important thing from a development stand point: reducing whiffs without hurting his power production. Right: the optimistic-but-not-crazy view is that he's waiting through a ton of pitches and hitting more of the ones he is swinging at, and the contact quality is smallish-sample noise. That's very, very reasonable. I'm just mostly pushing back on the "he's walking a lot so that proves he's mastered the level" narrative. We knew he could wait out pitches. I just need him to punish more of them.(FWIW, the "without hurting his power production" might not be quite right either. His HR/PA is down from 7.03 to 5.08, and his HR/contact is down from 11.50% to 9.27%.) If anything I think it's more an issue of stagnation than mastery. Like yeah you could "master" the ability to walk 20% of the time against pitchers with no control, but is that just a developmental cul-de-sac? I'd like to see him in AAA. He's done his time in Portland, he's pretty old for a prospect, and I think the more MLB-ish environment of AAA would be good for him and good for us trying to figure out what he actually is. |
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