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Post by station13 on Aug 12, 2019 22:39:46 GMT -5
The lack of new performing players to the team and the regression of the vets has turned this team into hot garbage.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 12, 2019 22:41:22 GMT -5
Devers chasing, but had a good game still.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 12, 2019 22:43:25 GMT -5
This team really battled back with the Angels to pull within a split. This team has a lot of heart and determination to get the best pick they can.
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Post by danr on Aug 12, 2019 23:06:41 GMT -5
Given that ERAs for RPs can be very deceptive, compare the ERAs of the Cleveland RPs in tonight's game with those of the Sox RPs and where Cleveland is in the standings compared to the Sox. I think the entire pitching staff needs rebuilding. I don't know how that can be done but it's not going to be any better next year unless some drastic changes are made.
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Post by beavertontim on Aug 12, 2019 23:24:56 GMT -5
With McGrath, there's nothing to lose except baseball games, but in general they don't just call up guys because they've given up trying to win but calling up players they don't think are good. It'd be fun if they called him up, for sure, but if they don't think he's good, running him out there to put up like a 12.00 ERA and face the comments-section meatheads might not be the best idea. Don't need the Tony Mazz's of the world being all "look, another example of how the Red Sox don't develop pitching" at the kid. The downside to calling up Dalbec and/or Chatham is that they aren't ready and get overmatched and develop bad habits based on that. Or a specific flaw gets exposed that hurts their value as a potential trade chip. Less worried about that with Dalbec, though letting him put up inflated numbers with the juiced ball against Triple-A pitchers while working through any potential adjustments has some value as well. In September I might bring Dalbec up since the alternative will be just ending his season. Chatham isn't MLB ready and "see how their skills play at the major league level" for a player who is talented but whose development isn't there yet is self-defeating. Plenty of spots on the 40 to open up. Get rid of Cashner before he hits his innings vesting. Wright may be heading to the 60. McGrath is a FA at year end, so if he is a bust you let him go.
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Post by sarasoxer on Aug 13, 2019 6:15:10 GMT -5
Given that ERAs for RPs can be very deceptive, compare the ERAs of the Cleveland RPs in tonight's game with those of the Sox RPs and where Cleveland is in the standings compared to the Sox. I think the entire pitching staff needs rebuilding. I don't know how that can be done but it's not going to be any better next year unless some drastic changes are made. Boy, I saw the same thing. No comparison....all their RP had ERAs in the twos.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 13, 2019 6:35:05 GMT -5
Given that ERAs for RPs can be very deceptive, compare the ERAs of the Cleveland RPs in tonight's game with those of the Sox RPs and where Cleveland is in the standings compared to the Sox. I think the entire pitching staff needs rebuilding. I don't know how that can be done but it's not going to be any better next year unless some drastic changes are made. Yes for sure. Some keepers like Darwinzon. Walden and Taylor (middle relief). Workman has been solid with his velocity back. Barnes can go. All the Webers, Johnsons, Velazquez's, Cashners, Porcellos, Brewers, Brasiers, Hembrees, Wrights, Poyners, Josh Smiths can go. Like all those names are very replaceable. Porcello in his 30's will not be any good in the AL East anymore. That's what I fully believe. He has been embarrassed this year in the AL East. He needs to go to the NL to revive his career. Get starting pitching depth. Get better depth than all this leftover junk. I bet if the Sox DFA'd half these guys, they could be outrighted to the minors. That's how bad they are. No team would claim them. Hard to know what to do either. You're kind of stuck. A Mookie trade should replenish the starting pitching depth a bit. A JBJ trade might get you a reliever. There isn't a lot of good answers, and of course, you need to replace those guys in the outfield as soon as you trade them away. Maybe someone bites on Michael Chavis and someone gives up a controllable arm for him? Yeah I got nothing. Dave Dombrowski or whoever is the GM next year has A LOT of work to do this off-season.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 13, 2019 6:47:26 GMT -5
Given that ERAs for RPs can be very deceptive, compare the ERAs of the Cleveland RPs in tonight's game with those of the Sox RPs and where Cleveland is in the standings compared to the Sox. I think the entire pitching staff needs rebuilding. I don't know how that can be done but it's not going to be any better next year unless some drastic changes are made. Boy, I saw the same thing. No comparison....all their RP had ERAs in the twos. That's what a playoff team looks like as in comparison to the 2019 Red Sox. The pitching and clutch pitching/hitting has never really been there for the 2019 Red Sox consistently. As a matter of fact at every moment of truth regarding their season, they've blinked. They're the polar opposite of the 2018 Red Sox, even with basically the same roster. You have to know that if the offense did something clutch, the pitching was going to fail at the most critical time. It brings to mind what Jeter would say when he'd say "you can't compare the two teams. We're two totally different teams". I took that as him speaking in cliches, but now I know what he meant, and I also now know what John Henry meant when he described a team as "living, breathing, and organic" or something to that effect - can't remember the exact quote. I guess what he meant was that even if you have a similar roster between the fluctuations in performances, etc. that the team takes on a persona as the year unfolds and it can be drastically different from year to year. Confidence runs high or low generally and it becomes a chicken and the egg type of thing with performance. Where one team shows the fight to get through something another will let opportunity slip away or blink at the moment of truth. (And I'm not talking small sample size of games here - every team will have some games they blow and other games they rescue when they're not supposed to).
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 13, 2019 7:57:26 GMT -5
It's rather bizarre how consistently "2019" this team has been all season, from spring training until now. Poor starting, inconsistent relieving, erratic offense (great overall stats but bad in the clutch), inattention to details ( baserunnung, defense)....add it all up and you get a .500ish team, which is what they are.
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Post by cdj on Aug 13, 2019 8:07:58 GMT -5
I worked with clevinger when he was in the cape league
Tremendous human imo. A complete hippie.
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Post by jdb on Aug 13, 2019 8:38:36 GMT -5
This offseason priority 1 should be adding as much pitching to the organization as we can. Outside of Mata I wouldn’t comfortably project any of our prospects as likely MLB starters. The teams that develop pitching prioritize it. The Braves draft it high and when they made deals John Hart required at least one arm coming back. The Rays and Yanks seem to spend high picks on them as well. There always seems to be bargain position players on the free agent market and hitters would love to play in Fenway.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 13, 2019 9:04:58 GMT -5
This offseason priority 1 should be adding as much pitching to the organization as we can. Outside of Mata I wouldn’t comfortably project any of our prospects as likely MLB starters. The teams that develop pitching prioritize it. The Braves draft it high and when they made deals John Hart required at least one arm coming back. The Rays and Yanks seem to spend high picks on them as well. There always seems to be bargain position players on the free agent market and hitters would love to play in Fenway. Without looking back, since Lester and Buccholz, we've seemed recently to buy, rather than develop, our top starters. Not sure how/if that will end up changing.
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Post by coachmac on Aug 13, 2019 13:40:39 GMT -5
Just read the Sox starters ERA is 29th in MLB and their WHIP is 30th.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Aug 13, 2019 15:58:54 GMT -5
Just read the Sox starters ERA is 29th in MLB and their WHIP is 30th. And the Sox starters' salaries are 1st in MLB.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 13, 2019 16:43:31 GMT -5
Just read the Sox starters ERA is 29th in MLB and their WHIP is 30th. You know, maybe there's a reason starters pitch so much in spring training.
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Post by patford on Aug 13, 2019 16:43:58 GMT -5
This offseason priority 1 should be adding as much pitching to the organization as we can. Outside of Mata I wouldn’t comfortably project any of our prospects as likely MLB starters. The teams that develop pitching prioritize it. The Braves draft it high and when they made deals John Hart required at least one arm coming back. The Rays and Yanks seem to spend high picks on them as well. There always seems to be bargain position players on the free agent market and hitters would love to play in Fenway. Thad Ward is looking more and more legitimate. He isn't a McGrath type who is excelling without any logical explanation. Ward has touched 96 with his FB and his slider is rated highly. Song may also figure in sooner rather than later depending on his military service.
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Post by coachmac on Aug 13, 2019 17:02:05 GMT -5
Eovaldi to start Wednesday. Will make 50-55 pitches
Edit Cora did condition it upon tonights game.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 13, 2019 17:18:00 GMT -5
Without Love in a dream.... It will never come true....
I still am dreaming. Let's get this started tonight !! Win !!
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Aug 13, 2019 17:48:41 GMT -5
Eovaldi to start Wednesday. Will make 50-55 pitches Edit Cora did condition it upon tonights game. Great. His pitch count was 40 on the 9th
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 13, 2019 18:12:48 GMT -5
Mookie....wish it was a home run though.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 13, 2019 18:39:33 GMT -5
Mookie. WTF is Leon doing ? Come on dude. It is 2 outs and the damn play is right in front of you.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 13, 2019 18:44:53 GMT -5
Sale is back...the contact is a steal !!!
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 13, 2019 18:55:04 GMT -5
not necessary up 2. Xander swung at ball 4
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Post by chrisfromnc on Aug 13, 2019 19:13:20 GMT -5
Mookie. WTF is Leon doing ? Come on dude. It is 2 outs and the damn play is right in front of you. Hilariously bad base running.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 13, 2019 19:15:42 GMT -5
congrats to Sale. 2k strikeouts faster than anyone ever.....Wow...that is something else.
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