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9/6-9/9 Red Sox vs. Yankees Series Thread
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 8, 2019 23:36:48 GMT -5
Hitting the ball hard is absolutely always the goal for every batter in the history and future of baseball. Yet go back 30 years and look at how many guys struck out over 100 times a season. That used to be a real badge of shame unless you were one of the few guys hitting 40 HRs a year. Contact. Choke up with two strikes, etc etc. All that is a piece of a very different approach from today, when no one cares if you strike out as long as you also walk and hit home runs. Indeed, I believe the classic phrase is “hit ‘em where they ain’t,” not “hit it so hard you make SportsCenter.” It has never been proven that it's even possible statistically. So good luck with that. 2 strike home runs are still worth more than 2 strike weak hits. Regardless of what you think should be happening, what I am saying is actually what is happening. Obviously, in the era of unbelievably inflated home runs, what I'm talking about is way more common than anything else.
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Post by marrcus on Sept 8, 2019 23:49:56 GMT -5
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 9, 2019 0:06:00 GMT -5
Bill Koch @billkoch25 · 48s BREAKING: The #RedSox have fired president of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski. Sam Kennedy is conducting a press conference right now. I do not favor this move at all. Typical of John Henry, he's scapegoating a bad season. This is what he does. Dombrowski has done everything asked of him and won a ring in his 3rd season. If I'm a GM worth his salt, I'd tell the Red Sox to go pound sand. I wouldn't want the job I know I'd be fired from if I had 1 bad season. Screw them.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 9, 2019 0:07:33 GMT -5
I am officially concerned for Raffy. he's hitting 188 / 257 / 359 since about the time he had 8 straight hits in 2 different games, that was fun to watch. hope he snaps out of it soon. Trade him. Makes as much sense as firing the GM.
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Post by sarasoxer on Sept 9, 2019 7:38:44 GMT -5
I am officially concerned for Raffy. he's hitting 188 / 257 / 359 since about the time he had 8 straight hits in 2 different games, that was fun to watch. hope he snaps out of it soon. He'll be fine but he's one guy that hasn't had a break for a while. If he were a pitcher his age, he'd be on an innings limit. Yes I understand that young pitchers are viewed differently today with concern about taxing young arms. Still, it's a long season for anyone. He made 3 errors last night. That may be another sign of fatigue. Let him sit for a game in conjunction with an off day.
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Post by sarasoxer on Sept 9, 2019 8:03:29 GMT -5
Just thought I'd peek at the latest trash you posted since I've had you hidden most of the season. You didn't disappoint me, as usual. Sorry you don't like being called out on stupid posts accusing the players of not trying. What evidence do you have other than performance that they don't care? This is still a very likable team full of hard workers. Unless you have any evidence whatsoever to the contrary, which I completely doubt. I'm waiting. I know you have me blocked, but you cannot help posting to me constantly in a passive aggressive manor because you hate being called out for being a joke. I mean you're so gd stubborn that you think that someone isn't clutch when they hit a 110 mph out and think someone who gets a 50 mph RBI single is a better player so I don't even know why I bother arguing with such stupidity. Anyone who thinks aiming their hits is a skill, never played baseball ever. If only we could rid ourselves of you and pedro, this board would be 100 times better. It would go back to exactly as intelligent as it was before you guys got here. I don't agree with this kind of ad hominem, bullying presentment. It's zero sum. To me it's unnecessary, disturbing and creates the sour feel that exists on lesser boards. The usual lack of that here is an attraction for most. People can disagree without being disagreeable. I don't believe that the players aren't trying. But I do believe that when the season is lost or when coming off an historic year's effort, the extra edge that can elevate performance, goes missing. It's an unquantifiable something. I think it's easy to construe that as the players letting down or even not trying as hard. That is what soxfansince67 was getting at in his shared frustration with us all.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 9, 2019 9:26:56 GMT -5
Sorry you don't like being called out on stupid posts accusing the players of not trying. What evidence do you have other than performance that they don't care? This is still a very likable team full of hard workers. Unless you have any evidence whatsoever to the contrary, which I completely doubt. I'm waiting. I know you have me blocked, but you cannot help posting to me constantly in a passive aggressive manor because you hate being called out for being a joke. I mean you're so gd stubborn that you think that someone isn't clutch when they hit a 110 mph out and think someone who gets a 50 mph RBI single is a better player so I don't even know why I bother arguing with such stupidity. Anyone who thinks aiming their hits is a skill, never played baseball ever. If only we could rid ourselves of you and pedro, this board would be 100 times better. It would go back to exactly as intelligent as it was before you guys got here. I don't agree with this kind of ad hominem, bullying presentment. It's zero sum. To me it's unnecessary, disturbing and creates the sour feel that exists on lesser boards. The usual lack of that here is an attraction for most. People can disagree without being disagreeable. I don't believe that the players aren't trying. But I do believe that when the season is lost or when coming off an historic year's effort, the extra edge that can elevate performance, goes missing. It's an unquantifiable something. I think it's easy to construe that as the players letting down or even not trying as hard. That is what soxfansince67 was getting at in his shared frustration with us all. I agree with this sentiment. Not trying is a bit harsh, but you'll probably get better effort and likely better numbers when the games are more meaningful. It's a situation where you know routine and maintenance will help you long term, but it's not fun and it's easy to not give 100% of your attention and effort. They're not going to be as locked in as if they were 1 game out of a playoff berth and said players could be the difference in making the playoffs or not. It's like working out. It's good for you, but it sucks. You know if you keep it up you'll have a great outcome, but unless you're planning for an upcoming event (vacation, beach, wedding, photoshoot, et) it's just harder to have the same intensity. Again, they're trying, but it's probably more work than fun for them at this point.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 9, 2019 9:59:54 GMT -5
I don't agree with this kind of ad hominem, bullying presentment. It's zero sum. To me it's unnecessary, disturbing and creates the sour feel that exists on lesser boards. The usual lack of that here is an attraction for most. People can disagree without being disagreeable. I don't believe that the players aren't trying. But I do believe that when the season is lost or when coming off an historic year's effort, the extra edge that can elevate performance, goes missing. It's an unquantifiable something. I think it's easy to construe that as the players letting down or even not trying as hard. That is what soxfansince67 was getting at in his shared frustration with us all. I agree with this sentiment. Not trying is a bit harsh, but you'll probably get better effort and likely better numbers when the games are more meaningful. It's a situation where you know routine and maintenance will help you long term, but it's not fun and it's easy to not give 100% of your attention and effort. They're not going to be as locked in as if they were 1 game out of a playoff berth and said players could be the difference in making the playoffs or not. It's like working out. It's good for you, but it sucks. You know if you keep it up you'll have a great outcome, but unless you're planning for an upcoming event (vacation, beach, wedding, photoshoot, et) it's just harder to have the same intensity. Again, they're trying, but it's probably more work than fun for them at this point. I agree. It's like how Yaz would point out when they weren't in a pennant race it just wasn't the same for him. I think sometimes people forget players are human. Sometimes when you're playing games that don't matter as much you're on autopilot. Yeah, you're hustling, but it's not the same as when it really matters. Players can certainly get caught up in the emotions of things even as professionals. And yeah. Attack the viewpoint. Sure. Attack the poster, especially two of them that care as much as 67 and Pedro do - not the way to go.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 9, 2019 10:43:33 GMT -5
In regards to "trying hard"... I sometimes wonder if older fans might have a different perspective on this, because back in the day it was plausible that a guy could sort of coast all the way to the big leagues, and succeed there, without putting in maximum effort. It just wasn't quite as competitive. So if you had enough talent you could succeed even without completely devoting yourself to your performance. Think of the stories of Mickey Mantle hitting homers while hungover; or just think of how guys didn't even really work out that much until pretty recently.
So if you're a fan who grew up in that time, you might have the impression that "effort" and "trying" are really important factors for a team's performance. But I just think none of these guys have made it as far as they have without putting in maximum effort - it's just too competitive, and anyone who slacks off gets their lunch eaten. And frankly, watching them play, I don't see one guy who's not clearly trying their hardest. (Besides which, they all know they get paid for their stats, and their effort; there's more than enough incentive for them even if the team is out of the race.)
This is a phenomenon that describes society as a whole, by the way - the younger generations are in a much more fiercely competitive environment than older generations were. Think about how high schoolers drive themselves to exhaustion just to bulk up their college applications. It's definitely a lot tougher than it was for me when I was applying to colleges in the late 90s.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 9, 2019 11:03:32 GMT -5
Porcello's season reminds me very much of John Lackey's 2011, and not in any small part because Porcello and Lackey are similar approach-wise in a lot of ways - pound-the-zone types with a (sometimes cartoonish) gritty mentality and a lot of pride in their durability and willingness to take the ball, sometimes to their own detriment. The results were obviously poor, but anyone criticizing their "effort" should have their head examined. And they share the similarity of their teams' being in a position to need those innings--but the innings those usually reliable guys were submitting just weren't good. But there's really not another good option. Sometimes when a player you depend on plays poorly you're just kind of stuck. Like, benching Porcello isn't an answer either.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 9, 2019 11:57:38 GMT -5
In regards to "trying hard"... I sometimes wonder if older fans might have a different perspective on this, because back in the day it was plausible that a guy could sort of coast all the way to the big leagues, and succeed there, without putting in maximum effort. It just wasn't quite as competitive. So if you had enough talent you could succeed even without completely devoting yourself to your performance. Think of the stories of Mickey Mantle hitting homers while hungover; or just think of how guys didn't even really work out that much until pretty recently. So if you're a fan who grew up in that time, you might have the impression that "effort" and "trying" are really important factors for a team's performance. But I just think none of these guys have made it as far as they have without putting in maximum effort - it's just too competitive, and anyone who slacks off gets their lunch eaten. And frankly, watching them play, I don't see one guy who's not clearly trying their hardest. (Besides which, they all know they get paid for their stats, and their effort; there's more than enough incentive for them even if the team is out of the race.) You're totally right about this, but there is a thought experiment on this topic I like to contemplate from time to time: how little effort would Mike Trout have to put in to be a league-average player?
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Post by nomar on Sept 9, 2019 12:17:01 GMT -5
I don’t think Trout is trying
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Post by gerry on Sept 9, 2019 12:45:08 GMT -5
I don’t think Trout is trying LOL. Successful experiment.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 9, 2019 13:02:42 GMT -5
I don’t think Trout is trying I know this is meant to be funny, but imagine if he actually wasn't.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 9, 2019 13:08:21 GMT -5
Alex Cora has to deal with his boss getting fired and also deal with the media who didn't a press conference about Cora's boss getting fired while also trying to get his team ready to deal with James Paxton. Good times.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 9, 2019 13:11:58 GMT -5
Alex Cora has to deal with his boss getting fired and also deal with the media who didn't a press conference about Cora's boss getting fired while also trying to get his team ready to deal with James Paxton. Good times. It now seems that the absurd number of pitchers in the bullpen may have been a sarcastic response to Cora's complaints.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 9, 2019 13:14:01 GMT -5
Or they're secretly the finalists to be GM.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 9, 2019 13:26:46 GMT -5
*Travis Lakins strikes out the side*
"Okay Travis, you're GM now, trade Mookie Betts."
"Wait what, that makes no sense, just pay hi--"
"You're fired. GET IN HERE WEBER!"
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Post by congusgambler33 on Sept 9, 2019 19:22:31 GMT -5
Crickets.......
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Post by cutz on Sept 9, 2019 19:38:49 GMT -5
Juice Ball ther
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 9, 2019 19:49:05 GMT -5
They should fire Romero now.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 9, 2019 20:08:33 GMT -5
Wow. Big Papi with 1st pitch tonight !! Man that is great. And seemingly so Henry ownership after the stuff last night.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 9, 2019 20:11:44 GMT -5
And the MFY's with another soft tissue / muscle injury where a guy is out for the rest of the season. Does anyone see a pattern here ??
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Post by kevfc89 on Sept 9, 2019 20:13:18 GMT -5
ERod pitched very well, but no chance at the win. this year has definitely been one of the more frustrating good offenses i can recall the Sox having in a while.
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Post by cutz on Sept 9, 2019 20:14:28 GMT -5
And the MFY's with another soft tissue / muscle injury where a guy is out for the rest of the season. Does anyone see a pattern here ?? Who's out? (I know Hicks is)
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