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2019 Patriots Regular season thread
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Post by texs31 on Sept 16, 2019 14:09:03 GMT -5
Overall, I don't have a problem with you thinking poorly of them. My problem is that you think their behavior sets them apart. If people cared more (in a positive or negative way) about members of other organizations, I'm guessing you'd hear more dirt.
To be clear, Kraft was caught with the person running the business. So IF there was trafficking involved, he wasn't with one of the trafficked. I'd also question whether every "John" is aware of how the business is being run. If so, again, that would further the notion that Kraft isn't alone here.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the worst thing BB did as it relates to the "-gates". He broke the code and disrespected his other coaches and that's why they targeted him. Did he break the rules, sure. Any more than other teams do? Doubt it. But, the 2 teams that called him out for his behavior, (the Jets and the Ravens) were 2 teams that he insulted (directly or indirectly). With the Jets, Mangini knew that Pats MO was to do this to coaches he didn't respect and didn't think were smart enough to know. When BB did it to Mangini, that was an insult. And the Pats (Brady or BB) basically said that Harbaugh didn't understand the rule book and said it publically (wrt the ineligible WR formation). What happens next, he alerts the Colts about the ball being too big (something we have quotes linking other teams/qbs to doing).
Listen, I have ZERO false notions that they are good people. I don't make that assumption on people I haven't met just bc they are famous. Just shocked that you think they're unique in that. Their uniqueness comes in their success (which, probably justly, puts a target on their backs).
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 16, 2019 17:24:22 GMT -5
Overall, I don't have a problem with you thinking poorly of them. My problem is that you think their behavior sets them apart. If people cared more (in a positive or negative way) about members of other organizations, I'm guessing you'd hear more dirt. To be clear, Kraft was caught with the person running the business. So IF there was trafficking involved, he wasn't with one of the trafficked. I'd also question whether every "John" is aware of how the business is being run. If so, again, that would further the notion that Kraft isn't alone here. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the worst thing BB did as it relates to the "-gates". He broke the code and disrespected his other coaches and that's why they targeted him. Did he break the rules, sure. Any more than other teams do? Doubt it. But, the 2 teams that called him out for his behavior, (the Jets and the Ravens) were 2 teams that he insulted (directly or indirectly). With the Jets, Mangini knew that Pats MO was to do this to coaches he didn't respect and didn't think were smart enough to know. When BB did it to Mangini, that was an insult. And the Pats (Brady or BB) basically said that Harbaugh didn't understand the rule book and said it publically (wrt the ineligible WR formation). What happens next, he alerts the Colts about the ball being too big (something we have quotes linking other teams/qbs to doing). Listen, I have ZERO false notions that they are good people. I don't make that assumption on people I haven't met just bc they are famous. Just shocked that you think they're unique in that. Their uniqueness comes in their success (which, probably justly, puts a target on their backs). Thinking Kraft is a bad dude or Brady is a jerk ignores all the available information about them. I agree we don’t know them but drawing the negative conclusion on them takes a real ignorance. Especially, Brady. Kraft paid to get his knob waxed. File that under bad decision, but if you’re going to assassinate his character over it then you’re probably someone that thinks everyone in the world is terrible because seven all done something terrible in our lives. |
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 16, 2019 17:28:39 GMT -5
And for the 1000th time, if the NFL cared about the ball pressure, they would have changed the rules so that the NFL was always in possession of the balls instead of the individual teams. But they don't care so they didn't. They only care when a former Jets executive is running the league and the Pats could be punished for something so stupid.
All hatred of the Pats is based on jealousy. If they were like they were in the 70s and 80s, no one would care about them whatsoever and not a single person would hate them.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 16, 2019 18:10:27 GMT -5
And for the 1000th time, if the NFL cared about the ball pressure, they would have changed the rules so that the NFL was always in possession of the balls instead of the individual teams. But they don't care so they didn't. They only care when a former Jets executive is running the league and the Pats could be punished for something so stupid. All hatred of the Pats is based on jealousy. If they were like they were in the 70s and 80s, no one would care about them whatsoever and not a single person would hate them. Also, spy gate is because they filmed from the wrong spot - not that they filmed. People ignore that but it’s the reality. |
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Post by philarhody on Sept 16, 2019 21:27:00 GMT -5
They’ve got to cut Brown now. What an idiot. It’s too bad because they really could have been special with him.
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Post by manfred on Sept 16, 2019 22:59:58 GMT -5
Overall, I don't have a problem with you thinking poorly of them. My problem is that you think their behavior sets them apart. If people cared more (in a positive or negative way) about members of other organizations, I'm guessing you'd hear more dirt. To be clear, Kraft was caught with the person running the business. So IF there was trafficking involved, he wasn't with one of the trafficked. I'd also question whether every "John" is aware of how the business is being run. If so, again, that would further the notion that Kraft isn't alone here. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the worst thing BB did as it relates to the "-gates". He broke the code and disrespected his other coaches and that's why they targeted him. Did he break the rules, sure. Any more than other teams do? Doubt it. But, the 2 teams that called him out for his behavior, (the Jets and the Ravens) were 2 teams that he insulted (directly or indirectly). With the Jets, Mangini knew that Pats MO was to do this to coaches he didn't respect and didn't think were smart enough to know. When BB did it to Mangini, that was an insult. And the Pats (Brady or BB) basically said that Harbaugh didn't understand the rule book and said it publically (wrt the ineligible WR formation). What happens next, he alerts the Colts about the ball being too big (something we have quotes linking other teams/qbs to doing). Listen, I have ZERO false notions that they are good people. I don't make that assumption on people I haven't met just bc they are famous. Just shocked that you think they're unique in that. Their uniqueness comes in their success (which, probably justly, puts a target on their backs). Thinking Kraft is a bad dude or Brady is a jerk ignores all the available information about them. I agree we don’t know them but drawing the negative conclusion on them takes a real ignorance. Especially, Brady. Kraft paid to get his knob waxed. File that under bad decision, but if you’re going to assassinate his character over it then you’re probably someone that thinks everyone in the world is terrible because seven all done something terrible in our lives. This is astonishing. A guy who frequents a brothel that has sex slaves is not easily redeemed. That is pretty much that. I have not seen anything in either of their public lives that is not unappealing. If they have good sides, they are well hidden. Maybe behind the MAGA hat in Brady’s locker? |
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 16, 2019 23:11:55 GMT -5
I have not seen anything in either of their public lives that is not unappealing. If they have good sides, they are well hidden. Maybe behind the MAGA hat in Brady’s locker? It's not like the world needs more celebs faking to be dems. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 17, 2019 5:46:11 GMT -5
Thinking Kraft is a bad dude or Brady is a jerk ignores all the available information about them. I agree we don’t know them but drawing the negative conclusion on them takes a real ignorance. Especially, Brady. Kraft paid to get his knob waxed. File that under bad decision, but if you’re going to assassinate his character over it then you’re probably someone that thinks everyone in the world is terrible because seven all done something terrible in our lives. This is astonishing. A guy who frequents a brothel that has sex slaves is not easily redeemed. That is pretty much that. I have not seen anything in either of their public lives that is not unappealing. If they have good sides, they are well hidden. Maybe behind the MAGA hat in Brady’s locker? Well if you haven’t seen anything in their lives that aren’t unappealing then you legitimately have zero clue so aren’t worth talking to about this. I don’t mean that to be rude either, but there’s a laundry list for both of them that speaks to great character. But by all means continue to quick snap judge people because we aren’t complex beings at all. We are extremely simplistic. Brady’s clearly an asshole because one day a couple years ago he had a hat in his locker that someone sent to him. |
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Post by texs31 on Sept 17, 2019 6:35:01 GMT -5
Again, you think Brady/BB/Kraft are the only multi-millionaires who feel they benefit from a Republican president? And you're not even considering the possibility that they may now feel differently after witnessing the first part of his presidency.
That's adorable!
NOTE - I'm not getting into whether they should or should not feel differently as I'm sure the mods don't want us turning this thread into a political one.
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Post by texs31 on Sept 17, 2019 6:45:18 GMT -5
Patriots signing another OL today (Caleb Benenoch). Bad sign for Wynn??
EDIT - RapSheet reporting that it's turf toe and not season ending. Still will be out a bit though.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 17, 2019 9:00:33 GMT -5
I have not seen anything in either of their public lives that is not unappealing. If they have good sides, they are well hidden. Maybe behind the MAGA hat in Brady’s locker? I think your implication that Brady is inherently a bad dude because of his Republican leanings highlights why you're getting push back. Even if you accept this notion as fact, how many other QB's in the league are Republican? Do you know? That you've seen the Pats dirty laundry and don't like them because of it is fine, but that doesn't mean they're worse than every other team that you don't have an intimate understanding of. Also, being a Republican doesn’t make you a bad person. Signed, Not a Republican |
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Post by manfred on Sept 17, 2019 9:00:44 GMT -5
I have not seen anything in either of their public lives that is not unappealing. If they have good sides, they are well hidden. Maybe behind the MAGA hat in Brady’s locker? I think your implication that Brady is inherently a bad dude because of his Republican leanings highlights why you're getting push back. Even if you accept this notion as fact, how many other QB's in the league are Republican? Do you know? That you've seen the Pats dirty laundry and don't like them because of it is fine, but that doesn't mean they're worse than every other team that you don't have an intimate understanding of. I don’t think that is it. Ditching his pregnant girlfriend? Selling pseudoscience? Absurd claims about having remade his muscles? Like I said, he is a combination of Schilling and Paltrow... with a touch of Tom Cruise’s delusion mixed in. It is a particularly dangerous time to push nonsense science. That said, of course there are other awful QBs. Roethlisberger jumps immediately to mind. Rivers. On and on. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 17, 2019 10:46:21 GMT -5
I think your implication that Brady is inherently a bad dude because of his Republican leanings highlights why you're getting push back. Even if you accept this notion as fact, how many other QB's in the league are Republican? Do you know? That you've seen the Pats dirty laundry and don't like them because of it is fine, but that doesn't mean they're worse than every other team that you don't have an intimate understanding of. I don’t think that is it. Ditching his pregnant girlfriend? Selling pseudoscience? Absurd claims about having remade his muscles? Like I said, he is a combination of Schilling and Paltrow... with a touch of Tom Cruise’s delusion mixed in. It is a particularly dangerous time to push nonsense science. That said, of course there are other awful QBs. Roethlisberger jumps immediately to mind. Rivers. On and on. Wow, I would love to judge you the way you judge other people. You must be perfect and man do you only try and look at the bad in people. You scream jealous fan! Brady didn't find out his ex was pregnant till a few months after they broke up. He didn't knowingly dump his pregnant GF, which you have to be implying to have an issue with him. Brady is litterally nothing like Schilling, who says some of the stupidest crap ever. Crap that basically gets him fired. I get why people dislike him, but I don't think Schilling is even a real bad guy overall. I mean he's certainly a jerk, yet when looking at guys like Brown and lumping him in with the other guys is crazy talk. I don't even really know what to say about your Republican crap. It just blows my mind you could be so judgemental based on that. Frankly Democrats that take that view, that your a bad person based on your party are worse than Trump. Most people in this Country can't even tell you why they are in one party or the other besides a few things like taxes or gun control. Just so you know I'm an independent. I vote for the candidate, not the party. |
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Post by manfred on Sept 17, 2019 11:30:16 GMT -5
I don’t think that is it. Ditching his pregnant girlfriend? Selling pseudoscience? Absurd claims about having remade his muscles? Like I said, he is a combination of Schilling and Paltrow... with a touch of Tom Cruise’s delusion mixed in. It is a particularly dangerous time to push nonsense science. That said, of course there are other awful QBs. Roethlisberger jumps immediately to mind. Rivers. On and on. Wow, I would love to judge you the way you judge other people. You must be perfect and man do you only try and look at the bad in people. You scream jealous fan! Brady didn't find out his ex was pregnant till a few months after they broke up. He didn't knowingly dump his pregnant GF, which you have to be implying to have an issue with him. Brady is litterally nothing like Schilling, who says some of the stupidest crap ever. Crap that basically gets him fired. I get why people dislike him, but I don't think Schilling is even a real bad guy overall. I mean he's certainly a jerk, yet when looking at guys like Brown and lumping him in with the other guys is crazy talk. I don't even really know what to say about your Republican crap. It just blows my mind you could be so judgemental based on that. Frankly Democrats that take that view, that your a bad person based on your party are worse than Trump. Most people in this Country can't even tell you why they are in one party or the other besides a few things like taxes or gun control. Just so you know I'm an independent. I vote for the candidate, not the party. OK, I know this has gotten away from what people want to talk about so this will be my final post. First, I hardly think hating Brady is a minority position, so the idea that I am in cloud-cuckooland might be unfair. I never attacked Republicans... but I did suggest MAGAism is unsavory. I worked for John McCain, so I am hardly anti-Republican. I do think it is extraordinary that Brady’s politics are off limits in a league that blacklists Kap and punishes kneeling, a legitimate political gesture. And... I did not limit it to Brady. And obviously part of it is success... Winston might be horrible, but it is hard to consider the Tampa Bay Buccaneers the most unlikeable team when one struggles at times to remember they are there. Now return to regularly scheduled adulation. |
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 17, 2019 12:42:33 GMT -5
Kaepernick isn't "blacklisted" from the league because of kneeling. He isn't in the league because he's mediocre at best and no team wants to put up with the sideshow for someone who isn't worth it. If he were as good as Ray Lewis, he'd be in the league.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 17, 2019 13:00:59 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 17, 2019 13:01:16 GMT -5
Wow, I would love to judge you the way you judge other people. You must be perfect and man do you only try and look at the bad in people. You scream jealous fan! Brady didn't find out his ex was pregnant till a few months after they broke up. He didn't knowingly dump his pregnant GF, which you have to be implying to have an issue with him. Brady is litterally nothing like Schilling, who says some of the stupidest crap ever. Crap that basically gets him fired. I get why people dislike him, but I don't think Schilling is even a real bad guy overall. I mean he's certainly a jerk, yet when looking at guys like Brown and lumping him in with the other guys is crazy talk. I don't even really know what to say about your Republican crap. It just blows my mind you could be so judgemental based on that. Frankly Democrats that take that view, that your a bad person based on your party are worse than Trump. Most people in this Country can't even tell you why they are in one party or the other besides a few things like taxes or gun control. Just so you know I'm an independent. I vote for the candidate, not the party. OK, I know this has gotten away from what people want to talk about so this will be my final post. First, I hardly think hating Brady is a minority position, so the idea that I am in cloud-cuckooland might be unfair. I never attacked Republicans... but I did suggest MAGAism is unsavory. I worked for John McCain, so I am hardly anti-Republican. I do think it is extraordinary that Brady’s politics are off limits in a league that blacklists Kap and punishes kneeling, a legitimate political gesture. And... I did not limit it to Brady. And obviously part of it is success... Winston might be horrible, but it is hard to consider the Tampa Bay Buccaneers the most unlikeable team when one struggles at times to remember they are there. Now return to regularly scheduled adulation. All you know is Tom Brady has a hat in his locker at one point before the election. Since then he’s skipped the White House visit and Trump is on record as saying he’s disappointed Brady has distanced himself. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 17, 2019 16:27:16 GMT -5
Back to football... Wynn to IR... going to miss 8 weeks... this sucks but it’s better to get him fully healthy and 7 of those weeks are crappy opponents and a bye.
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Post by voiceofreason on Sept 17, 2019 18:21:17 GMT -5
Yes guys! Back to football, given the divide and conquer politics of the day it is nice to know I can go somewhere and not deal with all the propaganda and hate. Lets try to keep it that way. It wasn't easy but I didn't respond for just that reason, sometimes comments should be left to die on their own.
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Post by voiceofreason on Sept 17, 2019 18:26:11 GMT -5
Back to football... Wynn to IR... going to miss 8 weeks... this sucks but it’s better to get him fully healthy and 7 of those weeks are crappy opponents and a bye. Exactly! The Pats don't look like they will truly be challenged for a while and considering the D is not going to give up any TD's and as BB said. "You can't lose if they don't score" |
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Post by ghostofrussgibson on Sept 17, 2019 18:50:18 GMT -5
Wow... Pats are 20.5 point favorites over the Jets and Dallas is 21.5 over the Dolphins. Hard to recall such point spreads over the past generation. Maybe they've happened, but it doesn't come to mind easily.
And please keep the politics/religion/causes out of this site. We all have our take on things, but let's keep those for other websites, please.
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Sept 17, 2019 19:11:14 GMT -5
That Dolphins spread seems kind of tight.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 17, 2019 19:19:15 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 17, 2019 20:59:16 GMT -5
Back to football... Wynn to IR... going to miss 8 weeks... this sucks but it’s better to get him fully healthy and 7 of those weeks are crappy opponents and a bye. On the flip side, they have got to keep Brady healthy so expect a run heavy offense. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 18, 2019 6:00:06 GMT -5
Back to football... Wynn to IR... going to miss 8 weeks... this sucks but it’s better to get him fully healthy and 7 of those weeks are crappy opponents and a bye. On the flip side, they have got to keep Brady healthy so expect a run heavy offense. Hopefully Cannon is back and healthy soon. Don’t need him this week but I do worry a bit about Buffalo and Cleveland’s defensive front |
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