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Ortiz Throwing First Pitch
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Post by Addam603 on Sept 9, 2019 17:10:14 GMT -5
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Post by atzar on Sept 9, 2019 18:11:18 GMT -5
Great to see #34 doing well. Pleasant surprise to see him throw out the first pitch.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 9, 2019 21:07:50 GMT -5
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 9, 2019 21:39:54 GMT -5
The best pitch of the night - and I think tonight marks 3 months.
Such an awful year all around for the Red Sox. Just thankful Ortiz survived.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 10, 2019 3:58:54 GMT -5
Yeah, I can't say I didn't tear up after seeing him move around like he did. Guy is a beast. Legend. Stay strong Ortiz.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 10, 2019 7:03:56 GMT -5
This organization is so classless. It's really sad. From what I'm hearing now is that not only did the fans not know this was going to happen, but that Eck and Remy didn't know about it until 30 minutes before. Connecting the dots, it was thrown together very quickly on the day the Patriots raised their banner and then Dombrowski was fired at midnight.
Really seems Ortiz was just used as a pawn in this instance and should have been treated better. Just listened to the recap and you can tell the crowd mostly has no idea what's going on.
On a side note, he looks fantastic.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 10, 2019 10:01:20 GMT -5
This organization is so classless. It's really sad. From what I'm hearing now is that not only did the fans not know this was going to happen, but that Eck and Remy didn't know about it until 30 minutes before. Connecting the dots, it was thrown together very quickly on the day the Patriots raised their banner and then Dombrowski was fired at midnight. Really seems Ortiz was just used as a pawn in this instance and should have been treated better. Just listened to the recap and you can tell the crowd mostly has no idea what's going on. On a side note, he looks fantastic.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Sept 10, 2019 11:29:15 GMT -5
This organization is so classless. It's really sad. From what I'm hearing now is that not only did the fans not know this was going to happen, but that Eck and Remy didn't know about it until 30 minutes before. Connecting the dots, it was thrown together very quickly on the day the Patriots raised their banner and then Dombrowski was fired at midnight. Really seems Ortiz was just used as a pawn in this instance and should have been treated better. Just listened to the recap and you can tell the crowd mostly has no idea what's going on. On a side note, he looks fantastic. Or, the Red Sox wanted to surprise the fans at the game by having one of the most beloved athletes in the history of the city come out to throw the first pitch?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 10, 2019 12:08:26 GMT -5
This organization is so classless. It's really sad. From what I'm hearing now is that not only did the fans not know this was going to happen, but that Eck and Remy didn't know about it until 30 minutes before. Connecting the dots, it was thrown together very quickly on the day the Patriots raised their banner and then Dombrowski was fired at midnight. Really seems Ortiz was just used as a pawn in this instance and should have been treated better. Just listened to the recap and you can tell the crowd mostly has no idea what's going on. On a side note, he looks fantastic. So, why didn't even the broadcasting team know about it until 30 minutes before?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 10, 2019 12:12:37 GMT -5
This organization is so classless. It's really sad. From what I'm hearing now is that not only did the fans not know this was going to happen, but that Eck and Remy didn't know about it until 30 minutes before. Connecting the dots, it was thrown together very quickly on the day the Patriots raised their banner and then Dombrowski was fired at midnight. Really seems Ortiz was just used as a pawn in this instance and should have been treated better. Just listened to the recap and you can tell the crowd mostly has no idea what's going on. On a side note, he looks fantastic. Or, the Red Sox wanted to surprise the fans at the game by having one of the most beloved athletes in the history of the city come out to throw the first pitch? The timing doesn't even make sense. He made his, "surprise return" on Patriots banner night? How tone deaf could the organization be even if this were planned weeks in advance without the consideration of firing Dombrowski? Again, the broadcasting team was surprised by this and fans not knowing about this likely missed out because the team isn't in contention, it's the start of the Patriots season and very likely they were getting food, beer and parking. Why wouldn't you tell the fans weeks in advance so that they knew to actually be there for the moment? Ortiz almost died. He deserves the full attention and respect. Even just going against banner night is just silly.
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Post by soxcentral on Sept 10, 2019 12:13:15 GMT -5
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 10, 2019 12:20:35 GMT -5
Wasn't the Patriots banner thing on Sunday? I don't see what they have to do with this. If they'd announced it beforehand they'd have been accused of using him as a gimmick to sell tickets and get people to show up during the end of a down season.
Great to see that he's healthy.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Sept 10, 2019 12:26:21 GMT -5
Or, the Red Sox wanted to surprise the fans at the game by having one of the most beloved athletes in the history of the city come out to throw the first pitch? The timing doesn't even make sense. He made his, "surprise return" on Patriots banner night? How tone deaf could the organization be even if this were planned weeks in advance without the consideration of firing Dombrowski? Again, the broadcasting team was surprised by this and fans not knowing about this likely missed out because the team isn't in contention, it's the start of the Patriots season and very likely they were getting food, beer and parking. Why wouldn't you tell the fans weeks in advance so that they knew to actually be there for the moment? Ortiz almost died. He deserves the full attention and respect. Even just going against banner night is just silly. Banner night for the Patriots has literally nothing to do with this event so stop trying to make that a relevant detail here. Also, who do you think organizes the first pitches? It's not like John Henry called Ortiz and then picked up his other phone and fired DD. The Baseball Operations department probably had little to no involvement in this, that's a marketing and promotions things.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 10, 2019 12:52:47 GMT -5
The timing doesn't even make sense. He made his, "surprise return" on Patriots banner night? How tone deaf could the organization be even if this were planned weeks in advance without the consideration of firing Dombrowski? Again, the broadcasting team was surprised by this and fans not knowing about this likely missed out because the team isn't in contention, it's the start of the Patriots season and very likely they were getting food, beer and parking. Why wouldn't you tell the fans weeks in advance so that they knew to actually be there for the moment? Ortiz almost died. He deserves the full attention and respect. Even just going against banner night is just silly. Banner night for the Patriots has literally nothing to do with this event so stop trying to make that a relevant detail here. Also, who do you think organizes the first pitches? It's not like John Henry called Ortiz and then picked up his other phone and fired DD. The Baseball Operations department probably had little to no involvement in this, that's a marketing and promotions things. Ok, that's a really, really, really silly thing to say. The Red Sox are out of contention. The Patriots are wildly popular in this town and are poised to have a great season. You're telling me that Red Sox ownership shouldn't plan their viewership accordingly because they're not related? You're telling me that there wouldn't be less eyeballs on Ortiz because people don't like 2 sports? The organization knew they were going to fire Dombrowski for about a month now. It was leaked to CHB. They didn't just happen to fire him. The timing for both could very logically have been planned out for banner night. I mean, they fired him at midnight. Ortiz is pretty much icing on the cake. The two also have a special relationship since Henry flew a team plane to bring him back to Boston after getting shot. It's not like Rodney Harrison is in town or Mark Millar. I'm sure Henry has wanted to get Ortiz out there. Really super coincidental that it happened this way. Maybe he was planned to be fired at midnight on game night and Ortiz happened to be there. It's still completely tone deaf to fire the GM the day of his return, not announce it to anyone, including the broadcast team, so people aren't in their seats, but instead buying hotdogs or parking, and when TV viewership is way down because they're watching something else, not knowing there's also another special event going on with the disappointing team that's just playing out the string.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 10, 2019 13:00:01 GMT -5
Wasn't the Patriots banner thing on Sunday? I don't see what they have to do with this. If they'd announced it beforehand they'd have been accused of using him as a gimmick to sell tickets and get people to show up during the end of a down season. Great to see that he's healthy. It was midnight of after everything else that was going on. I don't think people would see it as a gimmick, unless it directly conflicted with the game. People wanted to see Ortiz. They were going nuts hoping to see him for the Bruins pre-game. If they announced it a week before that it'd be on Saturday I'm willing to bet the fans would simply be excited to see him, not as a cheap gimmick.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Sept 10, 2019 15:15:30 GMT -5
Banner night for the Patriots has literally nothing to do with this event so stop trying to make that a relevant detail here. Also, who do you think organizes the first pitches? It's not like John Henry called Ortiz and then picked up his other phone and fired DD. The Baseball Operations department probably had little to no involvement in this, that's a marketing and promotions things. Ok, that's a really, really, really silly thing to say. The Red Sox are out of contention. The Patriots are wildly popular in this town and are poised to have a great season. You're telling me that Red Sox ownership shouldn't plan their viewership accordingly because they're not related? You're telling me that there wouldn't be less eyeballs on Ortiz because people don't like 2 sports? The organization knew they were going to fire Dombrowski for about a month now. It was leaked to CHB. They didn't just happen to fire him. The timing for both could very logically have been planned out for banner night. I mean, they fired him at midnight. Ortiz is pretty much icing on the cake. The two also have a special relationship since Henry flew a team plane to bring him back to Boston after getting shot. It's not like Rodney Harrison is in town or Mark Millar. I'm sure Henry has wanted to get Ortiz out there. Really super coincidental that it happened this way. Maybe he was planned to be fired at midnight on game night and Ortiz happened to be there. It's still completely tone deaf to fire the GM the day of his return, not announce it to anyone, including the broadcast team, so people aren't in their seats, but instead buying hotdogs or parking, and when TV viewership is way down because they're watching something else, not knowing there's also another special event going on with the disappointing team that's just playing out the string. Sorry man, I don't have a tin foil hat big enough for this. I don't think you really understand how promotional stuff like a first pitch comes together if you really think it's that involved of a process.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 10, 2019 16:32:35 GMT -5
Ok, that's a really, really, really silly thing to say. The Red Sox are out of contention. The Patriots are wildly popular in this town and are poised to have a great season. You're telling me that Red Sox ownership shouldn't plan their viewership accordingly because they're not related? You're telling me that there wouldn't be less eyeballs on Ortiz because people don't like 2 sports? The organization knew they were going to fire Dombrowski for about a month now. It was leaked to CHB. They didn't just happen to fire him. The timing for both could very logically have been planned out for banner night. I mean, they fired him at midnight. Ortiz is pretty much icing on the cake. The two also have a special relationship since Henry flew a team plane to bring him back to Boston after getting shot. It's not like Rodney Harrison is in town or Mark Millar. I'm sure Henry has wanted to get Ortiz out there. Really super coincidental that it happened this way. Maybe he was planned to be fired at midnight on game night and Ortiz happened to be there. It's still completely tone deaf to fire the GM the day of his return, not announce it to anyone, including the broadcast team, so people aren't in their seats, but instead buying hotdogs or parking, and when TV viewership is way down because they're watching something else, not knowing there's also another special event going on with the disappointing team that's just playing out the string. Sorry man, I don't have a tin foil hat big enough for this. I don't think you really understand how promotional stuff like a first pitch comes together if you really think it's that involved of a process. How is it tin foil? You actually believe Dombrowski was coincidentally fired the day the Patriots were on at midnight? That no thought process went into when to fire him? Whether or not it was planned to use Ortiz as well for this is questionable, but it was clearly horribly planned. To have him go out there that night, knowing you were going to fire Dombrowski, go against Patriots home opener and then terribly plan it so that even fans and broadcasters had no idea what was going with Ortiz is still horrifically terrible for the organization. Great surprise for the fans. Got a hotdog? Well, too bad. You just missed Ortiz coming back after almost being murdered because we didn't tell you. Now, enjoy the equivalent of a pre-season game. Oh, by the way, we just happened to fire the GM at midnight. The day should have been about Ortiz. Instead, it's not. Edit: and again, you're going to tell me that David Ortiz walking out on that field with the circumstances that surround him is equivalent to Johnny Gomes throwing out a pitch? If this was Bill Mueller, promotional team. David Ortiz after almost being executed? Think ownership is a little more involved with that. Big difference.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 10, 2019 16:40:36 GMT -5
You are choosing to believe a ridiculous conspiracy theory (and I believe a lot of them), which really is completely meaningless in the grand scheme of things and can never be proven in any way. Total waste of time.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 10, 2019 16:50:19 GMT -5
You are choosing to believe a ridiculous conspiracy theory (and I believe a lot of them), which really is completely meaningless in the grand scheme of things and can never be proven in any way. Total waste of time. Whether or not it was intentional, I'll concede it can't be proven and maybe illogical. What I think is still fair is why have him come in when another team is hoisting their banner and then not properly advertise it? Seems a little half-assed at the very least.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Sept 10, 2019 17:09:51 GMT -5
You are choosing to believe a ridiculous conspiracy theory (and I believe a lot of them), which really is completely meaningless in the grand scheme of things and can never be proven in any way. Total waste of time. Whether or not it was intentional, I'll concede it can't be proven and maybe illogical. What I think is still fair is why have him come in when another team is hoisting their banner and then not properly advertise it? Seems a little half-assed at the very least. See, if you want to argue they mishandled the planning, sure. But to say that the organization is classless and to make some of the arguments you were making is a little too far out there for me.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 11, 2019 22:12:47 GMT -5
The fact that your response to this is being upset at ownership is an example of everything that's wrong about the internet.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 11, 2019 22:13:38 GMT -5
The fact that your response to this is being upset at ownership is an example of everything that's wrong about the internet. Because they did a horrible job promoting this and giving him the proper attention?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 12, 2019 6:12:35 GMT -5
The fact that your response to this is being upset at ownership is an example of everything that's wrong about the internet. Because they did a horrible job promoting this and giving him the proper attention? Redsoxfan2, it had nothing to do with anything but Ortiz. This shouldn't be a promotion. It shouldn't be anything but a celebration of life. The only regret I had is that they didn't bring him out for a first appearance on opening day in 2020. It would have been a bigger crowd, versus the half filled Fenway on a bad year for Red Sox baseball. It's all about that awesome man and how he almost died and came back 3 months later, running around on a baseball field. It was pure and it even included him picking up a microphone again, which is one of his most iconic moments. This was a moment for baseball. I love crapping on John Henry and I have been doing it all year on here (his decisions running this team were bad from my perspective). I didn't even think about John Henry for even one second during Ortiz's appearance. I just teared up and was glad to see him okay.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 12, 2019 7:00:53 GMT -5
Because they did a horrible job promoting this and giving him the proper attention? Redsoxfan2, it had nothing to do with anything but Ortiz. This shouldn't be a promotion. It shouldn't be anything but a celebration of life. The only regret I had is that they didn't bring him out for a first appearance on opening day in 2020. It would have been a bigger crowd, versus the half filled Fenway on a bad year for Red Sox baseball. It's all about that awesome man and how he almost died and came back 3 months later, running around on a baseball field. It was pure and it even included him picking up a microphone again, which is one of his most iconic moments. This was a moment for baseball. I love crapping on John Henry and I have been doing it all year on here (his decisions running this team were bad from my perspective). I didn't even think about John Henry for even one second during Ortiz's appearance. I just teared up and was glad to see him okay. Well, that's what I mean, and if they had any inkling they were going to fire Dombrowski that day then they should have pushed it off. It's great to see him out there and it's great that he's alive and looking well. It's just sad seeing him come out to a half empty stadium and then not really get talked about because of everything else going on. It was just like another day at the park for him. Some of that park emptiness wss controllable.
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Post by iakovos11 on Sept 12, 2019 7:09:29 GMT -5
Redsoxfan2, it had nothing to do with anything but Ortiz. This shouldn't be a promotion. It shouldn't be anything but a celebration of life. The only regret I had is that they didn't bring him out for a first appearance on opening day in 2020. It would have been a bigger crowd, versus the half filled Fenway on a bad year for Red Sox baseball. It's all about that awesome man and how he almost died and came back 3 months later, running around on a baseball field. It was pure and it even included him picking up a microphone again, which is one of his most iconic moments. This was a moment for baseball. I love crapping on John Henry and I have been doing it all year on here (his decisions running this team were bad from my perspective). I didn't even think about John Henry for even one second during Ortiz's appearance. I just teared up and was glad to see him okay. Well, that's what I mean, and if they had any inkling they were going to fire Dombrowski that day then they should have pushed it off. It's great to see him out there and it's great that he's alive and looking well. It's just sad seeing him come out to a half empty stadium and then not really get talked about because of everything else going on. It was just like another day at the park for him. Some of that park emptiness wss controllable. Have you read the reports? They all say pretty much the same thing. The only reason this happened right now is that DD pushed Henry & Co that night for clarification on his future. And even when he was given the answer it still wasn't going t be revealed quite yet, but they felt they had to when leaks started getting out and they wanted to get out in front of this. They had no inkling this was going to be timed as it as. Honestly, if Ortiz felt like he was a pawn, a distraction, don't you think he would have pulled the plug, rescheduled? He knew this was in place before the DD news. He knew what it was about. That you are so hurt over this is really mind boggling.
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