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Red Sox GM Search & Other Front Office Moves
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 10, 2019 4:01:06 GMT -5
Jen supposedly had a good rundown here. I would pay the athletic if I had the choice, but don't have enough time to read most of their great content.
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Post by cdj on Sept 10, 2019 7:05:54 GMT -5
Eddie Romero, search over
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 10, 2019 7:20:41 GMT -5
Speier also put out a list. On that list were 2 current Sox execs, 3 former and several unrelated.
I also like Romero but would prefer Hazen because he has more position related experience.
That said, I'd be happy with any of the five but admit that I haven't looked at any of the unrelated candidates.
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Post by nomar on Sept 10, 2019 9:18:56 GMT -5
Would Hazen come back?
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Post by Smittyw on Sept 10, 2019 9:22:34 GMT -5
I hope we get Theo back, string the Cubs along for 3 months, and then send them a bag of dog poo as "compensation."
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Post by telson13 on Sept 10, 2019 11:14:13 GMT -5
Speier also put out a list. On that list were 2 current Sox execs, 3 former and several unrelated. I also like Romero but would prefer Hazen because he has more position related experience. That said, I'd be happy with any of the five but admit that I haven't looked at any of the unrelated candidates. I’d hate to see the Sox lose Romero. If they did an Ops President/GM thing and could get Hazen/Romero, I’d love to see it. Hazen’s done a pretty impressive job with an AZ team that was supposed to go straight to the cellar after he arrived.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Sept 10, 2019 11:36:18 GMT -5
I don't think Hazen can come back. Arizona can deny them permission to talk to him. From Jen's article, the two that I'd be most interested in are David Forst, who is the A's GM, or Chaim Bloom, who is the VP of Baseball Ops for the Rays. Good experience developing farm systems and winning on the margins, would be interesting to see what they do with the added resources.
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Post by marrcus on Sept 10, 2019 11:49:31 GMT -5
I Believe that they've been thinking about this for a few months. And they didn't make a move without knowing their next one. So I doubt there really is a "search." Henry likely knows and it's just a matter of finalizing it. I don't think the choice is in-house. We'll see?
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Post by Guidas on Sept 10, 2019 12:26:07 GMT -5
It will prob be President of Baseball Ops job. This will allow them to interview, with permission, other GMs. I don’t know enough about the job, the needs off the field (i.e. internal org structure/needs) to know enough but I would love to take a run at Luhnow, Friedman or Mark Shapiro.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 10, 2019 12:29:42 GMT -5
So the permission to interview thing is a courtesy that teams grant their employees for professional advancement. You wonder if a team will let someone interview with a team that wants to hire them for the same job but just with an inflated title. Now, of course, if Hazen wants to come to the Red Sox and the Diamondbacks don't let him then that would create its own set of problems. But I don't think teams calling their GM the "President of Baseball Operations" or whatever is going to be viewed the same way in terms of professional curtosy as, say, a pitching coach interviewing to become manager.
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Post by greenmonster on Sept 10, 2019 12:49:13 GMT -5
So the permission to interview thing is a courtesy that teams grant their employees for professional advancement. You wonder if a team will let someone interview with a team that wants to hire them for the same job but just with an inflated title. Now, of course, if Hazen wants to come to the Red Sox and the Diamondbacks don't let him then that would create its own set of problems. But I don't think teams calling their GM the "President of Baseball Operations" or whatever is going to be viewed the same way in terms of professional curtosy as, say, a pitching coach interviewing to become manager. Isn't that how Theo ended up in Chicago?
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 10, 2019 12:51:30 GMT -5
Essentially. Those negotiations were contentious, as I recall.
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Post by jdb on Sept 10, 2019 14:14:11 GMT -5
Like most id love Romero and think he’s paid his dues but part of me hopes we get an outsider. The Rays seem to produce a great deal of young arms maybe Bloom is the best person for the job.
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Post by telson13 on Sept 10, 2019 15:26:16 GMT -5
Like most id love Romero and think he’s paid his dues but part of me hopes we get an outsider. The Rays seem to produce a great deal of young arms maybe Bloom is the best person for the job. I think the nice thing is that they should have some quality options. I particularly like the idea of Frost or Bloom simply from the viewpoint that a GM/PoBO from an organization with strict financial constraints would be very well-equipped to deal with their current financial near-crisis. I also think there’s got to be some creativity/adaptability there working in those markets and remaining competitive (or even, being good) that would go a long way towards the retooling process. I also like the job Hazen’s done in AZ, and he’s got quite a bit of familiarity with the organization. The team has a laundry list of difficult-to-address issues, but they also have tremendous resources at their disposal. I do think that someone like Bloom, who has overseen a massive, incredibly impressive minor league overhaul, would probably have added benefit on the player development side. That said, I’m not quite so willing to buy into the narrative re: Sox pitcher development. Their positional development is essentially unparalleled, so maybe there is a *relative* deficiency there, but I also think the draft this season reflects a change in philosophy, and it seems (SSS caveat) to be an effective one. OTOH, drawing away/poaching high-talent developmental folks from a team like TB would be a bonus. New blood helps. Overall, I think the Sox job is a highly desirable one, and I think they’ll have options with some outstanding candidates. While I can appreciate DD doing what he did, I’ve never liked his gestalt approach, and I think having someone more...ah, calculating and judicious....in their use of resources, financial and talent-wise is a very good thing. There’s leeway, albeit narrow, in sorting out the team’s financial picture. For example, Price and Eovaldi’s deals have three more years. I’d hope that the new GM, and Henry, can use that timeframe looking at a Mookie extension (among other things) and plan an according interim approach that respects the value of the core of players, who could very easily be around substantially longer after that. There are some smaller money-saving measures (eg, Dalbec to 1b) that might be marginally sub-optimal near-term, but likely much more valuable long-term than FA stopgaps. Having a meh year or two, if it means keeping the core intact and rebuilding the farm substantially, is preferable to me than a Tigers-style nadir.
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Post by jbsox on Sept 10, 2019 16:46:46 GMT -5
Like most id love Romero and think he’s paid his dues but part of me hopes we get an outsider. The Rays seem to produce a great deal of young arms maybe Bloom is the best person for the job. I think the nice thing is that they should have some quality options. I particularly like the idea of Frost or Bloom simply from the viewpoint that a GM/PoBO from an organization with strict financial constraints would be very well-equipped to deal with their current financial near-crisis. I also think there’s got to be some creativity/adaptability there working in those markets and remaining competitive (or even, being good) that would go a long way towards the retooling process. I also like the job Hazen’s done in AZ, and he’s got quite a bit of familiarity with the organization. The team has a laundry list of difficult-to-address issues, but they also have tremendous resources at their disposal. I do think that someone like Bloom, who has overseen a massive, incredibly impressive minor league overhaul, would probably have added benefit on the player development side. That said, I’m not quite so willing to buy into the narrative re: Sox pitcher development. Their positional development is essentially unparalleled, so maybe there is a *relative* deficiency there, but I also think the draft this season reflects a change in philosophy, and it seems (SSS caveat) to be an effective one. OTOH, drawing away/poaching high-talent developmental folks from a team like TB would be a bonus. New blood helps. Overall, I think the Sox job is a highly desirable one, and I think they’ll have options with some outstanding candidates. While I can appreciate DD doing what he did, I’ve never liked his gestalt approach, and I think having someone more...ah, calculating and judicious....in their use of resources, financial and talent-wise is a very good thing. There’s leeway, albeit narrow, in sorting out the team’s financial picture. For example, Price and Eovaldi’s deals have three more years. I’d hope that the new GM, and Henry, can use that timeframe looking at a Mookie extension (among other things) and plan an according interim approach that respects the value of the core of players, who could very easily be around substantially longer after that. There are some smaller money-saving measures (eg, Dalbec to 1b) that might be marginally sub-optimal near-term, but likely much more valuable long-term than FA stopgaps. Having a meh year or two, if it means keeping the core intact and rebuilding the farm substantially, is preferable to me than a Tigers-style nadir. I agree with this, but I question how creative we can be when it comes to our starting pitching which was our biggest wart this year. For better or worse I think we are pretty much stuck with Sale, Eovaldi, and Price for the foreseeable future as they probably have negative value on the trade market right now unless we eat a substantial part of their contract (but I doubt that would happen). Erod probably has the biggest trade value given his age and contract, but for that very reason we probably hold onto him. I’m very interested to see what the new GM will do with the 5th spot open to reinforce our SP, and keep our fingers crossed Sale, Eovaldi, and Price rebound while Erod at least maintains. Maybe you can have Eovaldi as a swing guy and have 2 additional SPs for more reinforcements. It would be great if the new GM keeps our number one offense intact but how the Mookie, JD, and to lesser extent JBJ, 1B and 2B situations are handled will be interesting to see how that plays out.
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Post by tizzle on Sept 10, 2019 17:03:39 GMT -5
I hope its Bloom. He seems to be a guy who's thought of as a real potential baseball genius type.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 10, 2019 18:27:14 GMT -5
I know it's a joke, but if I'm a Yankees fan and they lose in October because of their rotation then I'd want him fired. Him not making any moves was infinitely worse than Dombrowski.
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Post by telson13 on Sept 10, 2019 19:27:43 GMT -5
I think the nice thing is that they should have some quality options. I particularly like the idea of Frost or Bloom simply from the viewpoint that a GM/PoBO from an organization with strict financial constraints would be very well-equipped to deal with their current financial near-crisis. I also think there’s got to be some creativity/adaptability there working in those markets and remaining competitive (or even, being good) that would go a long way towards the retooling process. I also like the job Hazen’s done in AZ, and he’s got quite a bit of familiarity with the organization. The team has a laundry list of difficult-to-address issues, but they also have tremendous resources at their disposal. I do think that someone like Bloom, who has overseen a massive, incredibly impressive minor league overhaul, would probably have added benefit on the player development side. That said, I’m not quite so willing to buy into the narrative re: Sox pitcher development. Their positional development is essentially unparalleled, so maybe there is a *relative* deficiency there, but I also think the draft this season reflects a change in philosophy, and it seems (SSS caveat) to be an effective one. OTOH, drawing away/poaching high-talent developmental folks from a team like TB would be a bonus. New blood helps. Overall, I think the Sox job is a highly desirable one, and I think they’ll have options with some outstanding candidates. While I can appreciate DD doing what he did, I’ve never liked his gestalt approach, and I think having someone more...ah, calculating and judicious....in their use of resources, financial and talent-wise is a very good thing. There’s leeway, albeit narrow, in sorting out the team’s financial picture. For example, Price and Eovaldi’s deals have three more years. I’d hope that the new GM, and Henry, can use that timeframe looking at a Mookie extension (among other things) and plan an according interim approach that respects the value of the core of players, who could very easily be around substantially longer after that. There are some smaller money-saving measures (eg, Dalbec to 1b) that might be marginally sub-optimal near-term, but likely much more valuable long-term than FA stopgaps. Having a meh year or two, if it means keeping the core intact and rebuilding the farm substantially, is preferable to me than a Tigers-style nadir. I agree with this, but I question how creative we can be when it comes to our starting pitching which was our biggest wart this year. For better or worse I think we are pretty much stuck with Sale, Eovaldi, and Price for the foreseeable future as they probably have negative value on the trade market right now unless we eat a substantial part of their contract (but I doubt that would happen). Erod probably has the biggest trade value given his age and contract, but for that very reason we probably hold onto him. I’m very interested to see what the new GM will do with the 5th spot open to reinforce our SP, and keep our fingers crossed Sale, Eovaldi, and Price rebound while Erod at least maintains. Maybe you can have Eovaldi as a swing guy and have 2 additional SPs for more reinforcements. It would be great if the new GM keeps our number one offense intact but how the Mookie, JD, and to lesser extent JBJ, 1B and 2B situations are handled will be interesting to see how that plays out. Agreed. My sense is 1) if Sale isn’t healthy, it’s a huge problem regardless. I don’t know that there’s any way to remedy that (although more in a minute). 2) Price probably is what he is, although I do think there’s an outside shot at a revival. But if reasonably healthy, he should be a passable 3, maybe even a 2. 3) Eovaldi has significant upside and a brutal floor. However, there’s some chance he gets in 160-180 innings. 4) Rodriguez has taken another small step forward this year, basically just by staying healthy. His SwStr rate, chase rate, etc. are largely unchanged. He’s just entering what are historically a pitcher’s prime years, so I’m hopeful he continues to improve some, but his relatively low salary and solid production, as you say, aren’t something they want to trade away. Sale, Price, and Eovaldi all had down years, especially Sale and Eovaldi. Sale’s peripherals were still quite good, so it’s possible he bounces back. Eovaldi...this is probably what he is, but as I said there is some hope. There’s no real *immediate* help on the horizon, but if he shoves I could see Mata up by August. What they really *need* is a replacement for Porcello. My suggestion there is going after Jon Gray. He still has significant upside, and with only two years left on his deal, he’s someone the Sox could actually potentially get (think along the lines of the James Paxton to NY deal). Gray would not only replace Porcello, he might provide significant value well beyond that, making Sale’s complete recovery less “necessary.” Beyond that, investing in a couple of guys (like Chacin) who could be 5/6-type starters/depth and at minimal cost is, i think, important given the health/innings questions around Sale/Eovaldi. That all means probably not spending on the bullpen, but I do think with Darwinzon and Taylor getting full seasons, Brewer and Houck on the cusp, and Lakins, Poyner, maybe Weems, etc, there’s enough depth that they can repeat the volume approach from this past offseason, and create a strong, if not renown, ‘pen. Outside of Rodriguez, literally everything went wrong with the rotation this year. It might happen again, but it’s unlikely it’s to this extent, and that’s not something they can fix anyway, really. Of the $60M they save on Porcrllo, Sandoval, Nunez, Pearce, Moreland, and Thornburg, (we’ll see what happens with JDM, regardless his salary drops $2M anyway I believe)...about $40M is accounted for with raises in arb and on extensions. They’re going to need to cobble together another $10M in savings, whether by trading JBJ (and finding a low-cost CF/RF replacement) or doing something else outside the box. It’s going to be a crazy offseason, but it’s also still a very talented team.
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Post by telson13 on Sept 10, 2019 19:29:22 GMT -5
I think, with the need for cutting costs and coming up with some creative solutions, that that is where a guy like Bloom would shine.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 11, 2019 2:58:14 GMT -5
I like the idea of a Jed Hoyer return, and I think it's being underrated as a possibility. He ran the show in San Diego briefly and then went back to working under Theo. President of Baseball Ops here would be an actual promotion from his GM job.
It has the advantage of bringing back someone with a deep familiarity with the city and with ownership, upper management, and at least some of Baseball Ops (Zack Scott replaced Hoyer as Theo's second assistant GM in 2006 when Hoyer replaced fist asst. Josh Byrne when he left for Arizona). And yet enough time has passed since he left 10 years ago that the only players left on the roster that were here when he left are Pedroia, Vazquez, and Bogaerts.
I like Bloom, too.
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Post by michael on Sept 11, 2019 5:00:01 GMT -5
Disloyal as it may seem the new GM has to talk Pedroia into retirement. His money and Porcello's savings could help enormously in the rebuilding of the starting staff.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 11, 2019 5:42:57 GMT -5
Disloyal as it may seem the new GM has to talk Pedroia into retirement. His money and Porcello's savings could help enormously in the rebuilding of the starting staff. No he doesn't.
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Post by nomar on Sept 11, 2019 8:19:23 GMT -5
I like the idea of a Jed Hoyer return, and I think it's being underrated as a possibility. He ran the show in San Diego briefly and then went back to working under Theo. President of Baseball Ops here would be an actual promotion from his GM job. It has the advantage of bringing back someone with a deep familiarity with the city and with ownership, upper management, and at least some of Baseball Ops (Zack Scott replaced Hoyer as Theo's second assistant GM in 2006 when Hoyer replaced fist asst. Josh Byrne when he left for Arizona). And yet enough time has passed since he left 10 years ago that the only players left on the roster that were here when he left are Pedroia, Vazquez, and Bogaerts. I like Bloom, too.
He’s old and crazy but maybe it’s worth mentioning that Gammons doesn’t think House would want the job. I like Bloom a lot as a young outside candidate. The Mets really blew it by not hiring him (shocker).
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 11, 2019 8:34:34 GMT -5
I think Jed Hoyer is a real possibility. I would think Henry wants to go with somebody he knows versus somebody he doesn't. And for Hoyer this would not be a lateral move, nor would I see Theo standing in the way. I don't think Hazen is leaving AZ, so I think Hoyer is the guy they turn to. I think Henry wants the baseball ops dept to function the way it did when Theo was around - and this time with Kennedy around it would probably be more cohesive. Even though Kennedy is a marketing guy, he fit in with Theo and his guys. A return to that would make more sense, although it wouldn't be Theo himself.
It has been mentioned (was it Gammons?) that if Theo did want to come back to Boston it wouldn't be as GM like he was. With Hoyer installed as GM, that could eventually lure Theo back to Boston down the road.
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Post by jimoh on Sept 11, 2019 9:36:54 GMT -5
Disloyal as it may seem the new GM has to talk Pedroia into retirement. His money and Porcello's savings could help enormously in the rebuilding of the starting staff. Talk him into it? How would those conversations go? GM: I think you should retire and not take the money we promised you. DP: No I want the money GM: I... well I got nothing.
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