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Post by stevedillard on Jun 12, 2020 6:08:01 GMT -5
So, apart from the flip flop of Yorke/Jordan, the draft otherwise went without surprise. Not sure the flip ended up preferable except if Yorke was the must have and they were flexible on the Jordan part. I mean, they could have taken Jordan or even a higher ranked kid like PCA at 17 but risked Yorke. I don't see the extra money needed to get either pitcher so it seems it was just the Yorke/Jordan package. Well see if Yorke is the player they thought was worth driving the draft strategy.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 12, 2020 8:37:07 GMT -5
Interesting draft. I'm still very unsure about them taking Yorke first and bypassing Bitsko, Mitchell, PCA, and Soderstram.
If Yorke stabilizes the 2b position down the road (I suspect Downs will have done so by the time Yorke is ready - fortunately Downs is capable of moving to other positions),if scouting reports are correct, he could be one of the best offensive 2b in baseball.
And Blaze Jordan could be a monster in the middle of the order with 40 HR/peak year power. He is so young.
Jeremy Wu-Yellen looks like a lefty reliever to me. Probably will have some control issues.
As does Shane Drohan, although he does look like he has a shot to stick as a starter, but that's still a huge question mark - he'll go as far as his control allows him to go. I do like that pick, though.
But it's a big gamble here. Unfortunately, (I think) Philly's choice of Abel pushed the Sox towards a different path. I'm not sure they took the best available player at 17. They might have taken a guy who must be able to play 2b - I'm assuming his shoulder issues wouldn't prevent that, which puts a lot of pressure on his bat, but the idea of Yorke is that it allowed them to get Jordan.
Which leaves me the question, how great will Jordan be? In a way he reminds me of Dalbec, abeit much younger. I think the hit tool is better, but is only projected to be average. Will his flat bat path allow him to maximize on his prodigious power as he advances levels?
I figure Casas is a 1b middle of the order anchor over time, which might force Jordan to 1b, if he's not a 3b and Devers is gone by then. Or perhaps he's a DH. You can't have both playing 1b. But when you think of the Red Sox about five years down the road, it's not hard to dream on Casas and Jordan in the middle of the order (and hopefully Devers is still around) and perhaps Yorke setting the table (and perhaps Matthew Lugo at SS).
It is strange to me that the Sox draft two bat first 2b in two consecutive years, with one supposed to be able to rocket through the system in Cannon, and the other right out of high school.
It's true you don't draft for need, but at some point I do think you have to identify and draft pitchers with an ability to be a top to middle of the rotation starter, which is why I'm a little bit surprised they didn't go with Bitsko once Abel was off the board. They must have figured that Yorke plus Jordan had a higher probability of working out than Bitsko plus standard late 3rd round talent.
At some point they have to add somebody that profiles better than, "Hope he can stay a starter" or "Back-end rotation guy" if he can stay as a starter.
When you don't grow your own pitching, it forces you to spend a ton of FA capital on starters or trade a Yoan Moncada.
The other thing is you need to be able to develop a potential front line starter even if you want to be able to acquire a pitcher in a deal. Michael Kopech was part of the cost of Chris Sale. It was Carl Pavano who was the attraction that got them Pedro Martinez.
Other than Groome or Song (if they ever can pitch him) it's hard to see much in the way of staff anchors in the organization down the road, which might put them at a disadvantage given the attrition of pitching prospects.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 12, 2020 10:01:21 GMT -5
You can't just wish there to be impact starters available with the 17th pick in the draft! The Red Sox have picked in the top half of the draft three (3) times in the last 25 years. In two of those three they picked starting pitchers, and one still has a chance to be an impact arm. The other didn't work out and is like the perfect example of the danger of focusing on "high-upside" arms. I'm getting kind of tired of discussing it, but they're not, like, willfully neglecting impact arms because they think impact arms are unimportant - they're just always in a draft position where the available pitchers are riskier or just plain worse than the available position players. And they keep hitting on those first round picks! Would you have rathered a potential impact arm like Carson Fulmer instead of Andrew Benintendi in 2015? Mason Denaburg over Triston Casas in 2018? Of coursse not! Folks are all "they need to draft pitching, and also what the hell were they thinking taking Ball over Meadows."
The Red Sox have won the World Series more than any other team this century. They had the best team baseball had seen in 20 years just two years ago. So this idea that they "need" to focus their amateur efforts better on impact arms is nuts, their scouting department keeps getting its bats right and then everything flows from that.
Also, Bryan Mata has a better chance than Groome or Song to be a mid-rotation starter, and they found him for about the price of a new roof.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 12, 2020 10:44:30 GMT -5
I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect the Red Sox to be better then they have been at producing starters. They spend way too much on front office talent to be this bad.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 12, 2020 11:15:38 GMT -5
You can't just wish there to be impact starters available with the 17th pick in the draft! The Red Sox have picked in the top half of the draft three (3) times in the last 25 years. In two of those three they picked starting pitchers, and one still has a chance to be an impact arm. The other didn't work out and is like the perfect example of the danger of focusing on "high-upside" arms. I'm getting kind of tired of discussing it, but they're not, like, willfully neglecting impact arms because they think impact arms are unimportant - they're just always in a draft position where the available pitchers are riskier or just plain worse than the available position players. And they keep hitting on those first round picks! Would you have rathered a potential impact arm like Carson Fulmer instead of Andrew Benintendi in 2015? Mason Denaburg over Triston Casas in 2018? Of coursse not! Folks are all "they need to draft pitching, and also what the hell were they thinking taking Ball over Meadows." The Red Sox have won the World Series more than any other team this century. They had the best team baseball had seen in 20 years just two years ago. So this idea that they "need" to focus their amateur efforts better on impact arms is nuts, their scouting department keeps getting its bats right and then everything flows from that. Also, Bryan Mata has a better chance than Groome or Song to be a mid-rotation starter, and they found him for about the price of a new roof. I agree with just about everything you posted - up to a point. I just think at some point you need to have potential top tier pitching or at least something with a promise of it. Or else you'll either have to overpay to sign it, trade a ton for it, or hope to find a hidden gem on the scrapheap. I'm thinking of all 4 championships teams: They spent two promising (one high end) pitching prospects for Pedro, stole the Mariners blind for Lowe, took Wakefield and Arroyo off the scrap heap and got their money's worth with the final years of Schilling's career. They traded Hanley and a promising pitching prospect in Sanchez to secure Beckett (along with Mike Lowell), spent a lot (at the time) for Daisuke and had some useful young arms in Lester, Buchholz, and Gabbard. Of course Lester and Buchholz were a big part of the 2013 team. Doubront was from the farm system as well. Lackey was the big dollar guy, the tail end of Peavy's career they got for Brandon Jacobs, and a low tier signing of Dempster. For 2018, Sale was part of a huge trade in which they dealt Moncada and their best pitching prospect in Kopech, Price, who they spent a ton on, Porcello, whom was the end result of the Lester trade, E-Rod who they acquired in a deal for a scrap heap Andrew Miller, Eovaldi who they got for a 2nd tier pitching prospect in Beeks, and Pomeranz who cost them a highly regarded (at the time) prospect. All of this supports your point, that you can cobble together a staff without developing and graduating top tier starting pitching. Of course my memory stretches back to a team that was within a strike of being on that list, with its homegrown Clemens, Hurst, Boyd, and Nipper, and final season of Seaver for youngster Steve Lyons. I just think at some point, if you don't even have the promise of a top tier starter in the minors you can't make the deals for a Pedro, a Beckett, or a Sale, as they all require a top tier pitching prospect, and I think it gets harder these days to find the next Luis Tiant or Tim Wakefield on the scrapheap. As far as Yorke goes, as I acknowledged in my previous post, the Sox most liekly had their math computed as the promise of Yorke plus Jordan is greater than Bitsko plus standard 3rd round (#89 value) pick - and they very well could be very right about that. We might even be Nick Bitsko who??? in a couple of years. But I think you raise a very good point about not having the kind of talent available at 17 or 25th or wherever they have picked. The Trey Ball thing was kind of a different story. I don't remember him being that highly regarded where the consensus was that if he was around, they HAD to take him. And yes, thankfully they took Benintendi, and even if Groome busts, I can't help but think they made the pick they should have made. So I guess I'm trying to say that I agree with most of your post and that I think you made a lot of excellent points. I just think that somehow they have to develop some top notch starting pitching prospects or else they won't be able to make the kinds of trades or keep for themselves the type of starting pitching they need to seriously compete. Maybe the Sox find sneaky ways to do it. Maybe Perales (and to a lesser extent Mata) become poster boys for that!
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Post by kman22 on Jun 12, 2020 11:20:34 GMT -5
With the draft now complete, I'm wondering where the 4 picks will land on the prospect rankings.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 12, 2020 11:37:50 GMT -5
With the draft now complete, I'm wondering where the 4 picks will land on the prospect rankings. Good question. My gut feeling: Blaze Jordan around #10, Yorke in the late teens, Drohan around 35-40, Wu-Yelland unranked
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 12, 2020 11:41:59 GMT -5
With the draft now complete, I'm wondering where the 4 picks will land on the prospect rankings. Good question. My gut feeling: Blaze Jordan around #10, Yorke in the late teens, Drohan around 35-40, Wu-Yelland unranked Personally, I'd go Blaze at #15-20, Yorke and Drohan at #20-25, and Wu-Yelland #35-60
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 12, 2020 11:46:29 GMT -5
I think that's about right, though maybe a little low on Drohan. Consider that Yoan Aybar is #31, has many of the same issues, and doesn't have the stamina or delivery to stick as a starter. Might consider Wu-Yelland for the 50-60 range as well.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 12, 2020 12:12:47 GMT -5
From Longenhagen at FG:
"I liked Boston’s fourth and fifth round arms, but I’m not on the Blaze Jordan bandwagon. I think some teams need to better contextualize age in their models (young in actual age, young in frame/physique, young from a reps perspective)."
I still like the Jordan pick but his overall point makes some sense.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 12, 2020 12:14:57 GMT -5
That said, I can't put Drohan ahead of the likes of Feldman, Bazardo, Liu, Jorge Rodriguez. I agree there's some starter upside between the quality of stuff and clean mechanics, but its also a ton to ask for his control to improve. Granted he's trended in the right direction throughout college but he walked 10 guys in 4.1 innings as freshman, walked 8.36 per 9 innings last year, and was still walking 5.6 per 9 early in this season. He was also lit up in a few Cape appearances over the summer. His stuff would need to be tremendous to warrant a spot in the 20s for me. I like the comparison to Aybar though, and would probably have him in that 'tier.'
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Post by KB24 on Jun 12, 2020 12:32:03 GMT -5
Keith Law holding back no punches when it comes to his analysis of the Sox draft: theathletic.com/1868430/2020/06/12/law-team-by-team-mlb-draft-analysis-american-league/"Boston Red Sox Boston went way off the highway with Nick Yorke (1), the only player taken in round one who wasn’t ranked on my Top 100. Yorke has a good swing, geared more for average than power, but he doesn’t have the range or arm for shortstop after a shoulder injury and is probably limited to second base in the long term. Even if the Red Sox really believe in his bat, he would almost certainly have been available at their next pick; I spoke to multiple teams who said they either didn’t have him in the top three rounds or deemed him unsignable for worth due to his commitment to Arizona. The Red Sox didn’t have a second-round pick, and in the third round they took one of the most famous players in the draft in Blaze Jordan (3), a 17-year-old high school first baseman from Mississippi who puts on a great BP but has little game power because of a swing that is all hands, making no use of his lower half. He’s limited to first base, so he has to get to that power to be a prospect. The history of high school position players from Mississippi is also pretty dismal, so I think Jordan is a prospect, but a longshot. They followed it up with Hawai’i reliever Jeremy Wu-Yelland (4), who has walked 55 guys in 88 career innings, almost all in relief; and Florida State lefty Shane Drohan (5), a fastball/changeup guy who went backward after going to Tallahassee and has walked 69 in 73.2 career innings."
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Post by p23w on Jun 12, 2020 12:48:12 GMT -5
Keith Law holding back no punches when it comes to his analysis of the Sox draft: theathletic.com/1868430/2020/06/12/law-team-by-team-mlb-draft-analysis-american-league/"Boston Red Sox Boston went way off the highway with Nick Yorke (1), the only player taken in round one who wasn’t ranked on my Top 100. Yorke has a good swing, geared more for average than power, but he doesn’t have the range or arm for shortstop after a shoulder injury and is probably limited to second base in the long term. Even if the Red Sox really believe in his bat, he would almost certainly have been available at their next pick; I spoke to multiple teams who said they either didn’t have him in the top three rounds or deemed him unsignable for worth due to his commitment to Arizona. The Red Sox didn’t have a second-round pick, and in the third round they took one of the most famous players in the draft in Blaze Jordan (3), a 17-year-old high school first baseman from Mississippi who puts on a great BP but has little game power because of a swing that is all hands, making no use of his lower half. He’s limited to first base, so he has to get to that power to be a prospect. The history of high school position players from Mississippi is also pretty dismal, so I think Jordan is a prospect, but a longshot. They followed it up with Hawai’i reliever Jeremy Wu-Yelland (4), who has walked 55 guys in 88 career innings, almost all in relief; and Florida State lefty Shane Drohan (5), a fastball/changeup guy who went backward after going to Tallahassee and has walked 69 in 73.2 career innings." Ouch!
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 12, 2020 12:59:01 GMT -5
Keith Law holding back no punches when it comes to his analysis of the Sox draft: theathletic.com/1868430/2020/06/12/law-team-by-team-mlb-draft-analysis-american-league/"Boston Red Sox Boston went way off the highway with Nick Yorke (1), the only player taken in round one who wasn’t ranked on my Top 100. Yorke has a good swing, geared more for average than power, but he doesn’t have the range or arm for shortstop after a shoulder injury and is probably limited to second base in the long term. Even if the Red Sox really believe in his bat, he would almost certainly have been available at their next pick; I spoke to multiple teams who said they either didn’t have him in the top three rounds or deemed him unsignable for worth due to his commitment to Arizona. The Red Sox didn’t have a second-round pick, and in the third round they took one of the most famous players in the draft in Blaze Jordan (3), a 17-year-old high school first baseman from Mississippi who puts on a great BP but has little game power because of a swing that is all hands, making no use of his lower half. He’s limited to first base, so he has to get to that power to be a prospect. The history of high school position players from Mississippi is also pretty dismal, so I think Jordan is a prospect, but a longshot. They followed it up with Hawai’i reliever Jeremy Wu-Yelland (4), who has walked 55 guys in 88 career innings, almost all in relief; and Florida State lefty Shane Drohan (5), a fastball/changeup guy who went backward after going to Tallahassee and has walked 69 in 73.2 career innings." Two things here: 1. I know this is not the ENTIRE evaluation he's making but Mississippi not producing good talent in the past has little to nothing to do with Jordan. 2. It's a harsh assessment but it's also not a fair one. I mean, I'm not saying the draft was great but I could look at every team's draft and only write about the negative aspects of each pick. Torkelson is limited to first base, Lacy has injury issues, Meyer is short and only really has two pitches at this point, Kjerstad has some hit tool questions, yada yada yada. Am I objectively correct? Yes. Am I doing a good job of presenting an objective analysis of those players and presenting the whole story? Absolutely not. Law is a smart dude and I'm not going to be Mr. He Hates My Team, but let's just say if this article were a curveball, it'd be a Trackman darling (very proud of that joke lol).
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Jun 12, 2020 13:03:05 GMT -5
I know Keith Law can be hard-headed with his views and opinions but I kind of agree with him here. I think the Red Sox really liked Yorke and reached for him. PCA or Mitchell at 17 and then getting Yorke or Blaze Jordan in the 3rd would have been the better play. Then they could have just gone cheap in rounds 4 and 5. Mitchell and PCA both play an outstanding CF and are a lot more advanced than Jordan. Blaze Jordan may become a star but he is a lot riskier and less proven than both Mitchell and PCA. I know ppl say trust the scouts and most of us haven't seen these guys play, but there is no way 4 different scouting sites can all be wrong by rating Mitchell and PCA so high and Yorke up around 100 or so. Now hopefully we snag a couple good seniors and hope the Sox develop these guys to become major leaguers. I'll be following Blaze Jordan and rooting for him to succeed and become a star.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 12, 2020 13:10:02 GMT -5
I know Keith Law can be hard-headed with his views and opinions but I kind of agree with him here. I think the Red Sox really liked Yorke and reached for him. PCA or Mitchell at 17 and then getting Yorke or Blaze Jordan in the 3rd would have been the better play. Then they could have just gone cheap in rounds 4 and 5. Mitchell and PCA both play an outstanding CF and are a lot more advanced than Jordan. Blaze Jordan may become a star but he is a lot riskier and less proven than both Mitchell and PCA. I know ppl say trust the scouts and most of us haven't seen these guys play, but there is no way 4 different scouting sites can all be wrong by rating Mitchell and PCA so high and Yorke up around 100 or so. Now hopefully we snag a couple good seniors and hope the Sox develop these guys to become major leaguers. I'll be following Blaze Jordan and rooting for him to succeed and become a star. The Sox would not be able to afford that. I assume PCA and Mitchell would've gotten slot at 17, which leaves you aboutt ~$1.8 mil. Unclear if either guy would accept that in round 3. Also means they essentially would have to pick players for 10k or less in rounds 4-5. Not saying I love the Yorke pick, but taking a player at slot at 17 means you're probably getting one real impact player. Again, it's the problem with having no second round pick....there's less of an ability to manipulate the bonus pool. Also, the Red Sox clearly valued Yorke differently than the industry - I guess we just have to see how it plays out.
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Post by philarhody on Jun 12, 2020 13:20:20 GMT -5
If they really wanted Jordan, they still could’ve picked Mitchell, or Bitsko, or PCA and then signed a couple nobodies from Durfee high school for 30 grand each in the 4th and 5th round.
The fact that they didn’t go this route, means either 1. they really thought yorke was worth using a 1st on, 2. they thought there’d be more talent available In 4th and 5th round, 3. they really like Drohan and Wu- Yelland (lefties throwing mid-90’s with some stuff ain’t bad) or 4. Some combo of each.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 12, 2020 13:24:38 GMT -5
I stand by my assessment that this draft will yield as many MLB regulars as the 2009 draft, if not fewer.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 12, 2020 13:32:35 GMT -5
I stand by my assessment that this draft will yield as many MLB regulars as the 2009 draft, if not fewer. Getting 1 MLB regular out of a 4-person draft would be a huge win lmao
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 12, 2020 13:33:26 GMT -5
If they really wanted Jordan, they still could’ve picked Mitchell, or Bitsko, or PCA and then signed a couple nobodies from Durfee high school for 30 grand each in the 4th and 5th round. The fact that they didn’t go this route, means either 1. they really thought yorke was worth using a 1st on, 2. they thought there’d be more talent available In 4th and 5th round, 3. they really like Drohan and Wu- Yelland (lefties throwing mid-90’s with some stuff ain’t bad) or 4. Some combo of each. Vermont literally just detailed how this probably isn't true with Mitchell or PCA, it is DEFINITELY not true with Bitsko.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 12, 2020 13:36:39 GMT -5
I know Keith Law can be hard-headed with his views and opinions but I kind of agree with him here. I think the Red Sox really liked Yorke and reached for him. PCA or Mitchell at 17 and then getting Yorke or Blaze Jordan in the 3rd would have been the better play. Then they could have just gone cheap in rounds 4 and 5. Mitchell and PCA both play an outstanding CF and are a lot more advanced than Jordan. Blaze Jordan may become a star but he is a lot riskier and less proven than both Mitchell and PCA. I know ppl say trust the scouts and most of us haven't seen these guys play, but there is no way 4 different scouting sites can all be wrong by rating Mitchell and PCA so high and Yorke up around 100 or so. Now hopefully we snag a couple good seniors and hope the Sox develop these guys to become major leaguers. I'll be following Blaze Jordan and rooting for him to succeed and become a star. The Sox would not be able to afford that. I assume PCA and Mitchell would've gotten slot at 17, which leaves you aboutt ~$1.8 mil. Unclear if either guy would accept that in round 3. Also means they essentially would have to pick players for 10k or less in rounds 4-5. Not saying I love the Yorke pick, but taking a player at slot at 17 means you're probably getting one real impact player. Again, it's the problem with having no second round pick....there's less of an ability to manipulate the bonus pool. Also, the Red Sox clearly valued Yorke differently than the industry - I guess we just have to see how it plays out. I'd also much rather have the haul they got than PCA, Yorke/Jordan, and then two guys taken for the sake of being cheap. Yorke, Jordan, and Drohan are all pretty high-ceiling guys and Wu-Yelland at least has a path to the majors. I'd rather have that than a PCA type, Yorke, and then to use recent examples, Brian Brown and Grant Williams. On a scale of 1-10, it's roughly equivalent to 7, 7.5, 5, 6 vs. 9, 7, 2, 2.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 12, 2020 13:45:01 GMT -5
Keith Law holding back no punches when it comes to his analysis of the Sox draft: theathletic.com/1868430/2020/06/12/law-team-by-team-mlb-draft-analysis-american-league/"Boston Red Sox Boston went way off the highway with Nick Yorke (1), the only player taken in round one who wasn’t ranked on my Top 100. Yorke has a good swing, geared more for average than power, but he doesn’t have the range or arm for shortstop after a shoulder injury and is probably limited to second base in the long term. Even if the Red Sox really believe in his bat, he would almost certainly have been available at their next pick; I spoke to multiple teams who said they either didn’t have him in the top three rounds or deemed him unsignable for worth due to his commitment to Arizona. The Red Sox didn’t have a second-round pick, and in the third round they took one of the most famous players in the draft in Blaze Jordan (3), a 17-year-old high school first baseman from Mississippi who puts on a great BP but has little game power because of a swing that is all hands, making no use of his lower half. He’s limited to first base, so he has to get to that power to be a prospect. The history of high school position players from Mississippi is also pretty dismal, so I think Jordan is a prospect, but a longshot. They followed it up with Hawai’i reliever Jeremy Wu-Yelland (4), who has walked 55 guys in 88 career innings, almost all in relief; and Florida State lefty Shane Drohan (5), a fastball/changeup guy who went backward after going to Tallahassee and has walked 69 in 73.2 career innings." Yup, that's the worst case scenario. It doesn't mean that Yorke can't be an all-star 2b hitting .300 every year with some pop in his bat atop a lineup. The biggest question is the future disparity between Jordan's raw power and in-game power. I mean, he's only 17 - there's so much room and time for him to get his body into the best shape and make any adjustments necessary to tap into that power. He's already got the natural tools and then some. The concern is legit but at this point I don't have any reason to think that he can't or that the odds are very much against it. The questions of control regarding the lefties are very legit. Yes, it's possible that the Sox got a 2b regular, a 1b who can put on an impressive batting practice and that's it and two pitchers with major control issues, but it's also possible the Sox got a potential all-star 2b and a potential middle of the order masher and just maybe a mid to back end starter and a lefty out of the pen, although that would be the best case scenario.
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Post by cba82 on Jun 12, 2020 14:00:38 GMT -5
“Boston went way off the highway with Nick Yorke (1), the only player taken in round one who wasn’t ranked on my Top 100.” – It’s all about Keith, isn’t it?
“The history of high school position players from Mississippi is also pretty dismal, so I think Jordan is a prospect, but a longshot.” – This is a nonsense comment, and insulting, really.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jun 12, 2020 14:32:46 GMT -5
That Keith Law snippet is pretty embarrassing. He's "almost certain" Yorke would have been available in the third. Does that mean he would lay 20-1 odds? Because he talked to four people still employed by MLB? Okay, sure.
The history of Mississippi position players is irrelevant. The last two pitchers were consensus reasonable picks and he dismisses them by picking the worst factoids he can find, which everyone already knew about.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 12, 2020 14:35:40 GMT -5
That Keith Law snippet is pretty embarrassing. He's "almost certain" Yorke would have been available in the third. Does that mean he would lay 20-1 odds? Because he talked to four people still employed by MLB? Okay, sure. The history of Mississippi position players is irrelevant. The last two pitchers were consensus reasonable picks and he dismisses them by picking the worst factoids he can find, which everyone already knew about. Also worth noting that he didn't say all of the teams he talked to thought Yorke would've been available in the third. Maybe he talked to three teams that did, meeting his "multiple" criteria, but 10 that would've jumped on him in the second. Just a whole lot of confirmation bias and spin going on there.
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