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Post by pedroelgrande on Mar 4, 2020 13:23:28 GMT -5
Only the tigers are in a better spot.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 5, 2020 13:49:15 GMT -5
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Post by chr31ter on Mar 12, 2020 21:16:41 GMT -5
So, I'm thinking the draft just became an even bigger crapshoot than it normally is.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 13, 2020 9:17:51 GMT -5
I would be surprised if MLB didn't organize some circuit of showcases for potential draftees in late May or June if things settle down. But yeah, that's a fair point.
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Post by jmanny24 on Mar 14, 2020 8:48:01 GMT -5
Curious how people think the extra year of eligibility will impact things like senior sign leverage and how teams manage their pool money?
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Post by chr31ter on Mar 14, 2020 9:10:34 GMT -5
Curious how people think the extra year of eligibility will impact things like senior sign leverage and how teams manage their pool money? Jeez, I hadn't even thought of that. But you're right - why would a senior accept next to no signing bonus when they might be able to get an extra year of eligibility? I'd guess teams are going to have to do a crap ton of extra homework on how much it's going to take to sign some of these guys.
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Post by costpet on Mar 14, 2020 11:19:36 GMT -5
Something else to think about. If schools close down, that means there is no high school baseball and no college baseball this Spring. Then how are teams going to evaluate players? Based on last year's stats? Things change a lot in one year. So, what do they do? Maybe the Sox could grab a guy in the 5th round that would have been a 1st round this year. A total crap shoot. Scouts have a lot of work to do. And a lot of guessing.
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Mar 14, 2020 12:46:36 GMT -5
Something else to think about. If schools close down, that means there is no high school baseball and no college baseball this Spring. Then how are teams going to evaluate players? Based on last year's stats? Things change a lot in one year. So, what do they do? Maybe the Sox could grab a guy in the 5th round that would have been a 1st round this year. A total crap shoot. Scouts have a lot of work to do. And a lot of guessing. I'd expect a run on college guys and guys who have been in the showcase circuits for awhile. I wonder if a lot of HS kids opt for college?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 14, 2020 22:33:07 GMT -5
Teams scout players for years, so it's not like they're not going to have data on anyone. It will indeed be something of a crapshoot though.
The fact that there won't really be seniors this year is interesting. However, the kinds of players who would be low-bonus senior signs may or may not be the guys who are going to stick around for another year. We'll have to wait and see.
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Post by James Dunne on Mar 16, 2020 7:38:52 GMT -5
Teams scout players for years, so it's not like they're not going to have data on anyone. It will indeed be something of a crapshoot though. The fact that there won't really be seniors this year is interesting. However, the kinds of players who would be low-bonus senior signs may or may not be the guys who are going to stick around for another year. We'll have to wait and see. If they're going to extend scholarships (and it sounds like they are) does it make sense to play pro baseball for a $10K bonus and sub-minimum wage? A lot of those low-bonus guys aren't going to be impactful in the pros, but are pretty high-quality among college players. Think of someone like Stephen Scott - unranked in the Red Sox system, but a one of the best players on the 2019 National champs, obviously a guy the coaches would've loved for another year. I really don't know that a $50K bonus does it for a guy like that who has eligibility left.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 16, 2020 10:46:24 GMT -5
Maybe they should, for a year, have players either declare for the draft or declare they are returning to school. That would eliminate a lot of confusion.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 16, 2020 12:58:03 GMT -5
Teams scout players for years, so it's not like they're not going to have data on anyone. It will indeed be something of a crapshoot though. The fact that there won't really be seniors this year is interesting. However, the kinds of players who would be low-bonus senior signs may or may not be the guys who are going to stick around for another year. We'll have to wait and see. If they're going to extend scholarships (and it sounds like they are) does it make sense to play pro baseball for a $10K bonus and sub-minimum wage? A lot of those low-bonus guys aren't going to be impactful in the pros, but are pretty high-quality among college players. Think of someone like Stephen Scott - unranked in the Red Sox system, but a one of the best players on the 2019 National champs, obviously a guy the coaches would've loved for another year. I really don't know that a $50K bonus does it for a guy like that who has eligibility left. If they're already graduating, already were a 5th year senior (eg Kyle Hart), etc., I could see some guys wanting to get on with it. Plus keep in mind the new freshmen are still coming in.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Mar 16, 2020 14:11:51 GMT -5
Teams scout players for years, so it's not like they're not going to have data on anyone. It will indeed be something of a crapshoot though. The fact that there won't really be seniors this year is interesting. However, the kinds of players who would be low-bonus senior signs may or may not be the guys who are going to stick around for another year. We'll have to wait and see. If they're going to extend scholarships (and it sounds like they are) does it make sense to play pro baseball for a $10K bonus and sub-minimum wage? A lot of those low-bonus guys aren't going to be impactful in the pros, but are pretty high-quality among college players. Think of someone like Stephen Scott - unranked in the Red Sox system, but a one of the best players on the 2019 National champs, obviously a guy the coaches would've loved for another year. I really don't know that a $50K bonus does it for a guy like that who has eligibility left. They're extending eligibility, they have not formally announced that they're extending scholarships yet. There's a chance that this ends in graduated seniors not having to take classes next year or maybe just taking a one unit course and receiving a stipend to live in the area and train with the team. That's basically the same as playing minor league baseball anyway, so if you're done with school and don't have any desire to do a post-graduate program, you might as well just go pro.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 17, 2020 8:45:48 GMT -5
Just remembered that baseball only has 11.7 scholarships per team anyway. There might be some tough conversations between coaches and seniors coming if they were planning on getting some of that money back for next year's class. If the underclassman understudy is ready to take over next year, I could see a fair amount of "I'm not going to cut you, but I'm not going to guarantee you're gonna play either" conversations as well.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 17, 2020 19:20:18 GMT -5
Just remembered that baseball only has 11.7 scholarships per team anyway. There might be some tough conversations between coaches and seniors coming if they were planning on getting some of that money back for next year's class. If the underclassman understudy is ready to take over next year, I could see a fair amount of "I'm not going to cut you, but I'm not going to guarantee you're gonna play either" conversations as well. Since the interest here is draft quality players, not the run of the mill player, that part seems highly unlikely.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 18, 2020 13:12:51 GMT -5
Just remembered that baseball only has 11.7 scholarships per team anyway. There might be some tough conversations between coaches and seniors coming if they were planning on getting some of that money back for next year's class. If the underclassman understudy is ready to take over next year, I could see a fair amount of "I'm not going to cut you, but I'm not going to guarantee you're gonna play either" conversations as well. Since the interest here is draft quality players, not the run of the mill player, that part seems highly unlikely. At top programs, when we're referring to seniors who weren't drafted as juniors, it's probably more likely than you're giving it credit for. Think of a powerhouse like Florida.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 18, 2020 13:53:42 GMT -5
Since the interest here is draft quality players, not the run of the mill player, that part seems highly unlikely. At top programs, when we're referring to seniors who weren't drafted as juniors, it's probably more likely than you're giving it credit for. Think of a powerhouse like Florida. And you think a powerhouse coach is going to sit one of his top players for a freshman ? That's even less likely. This is more like a bonus for the coaches with draft type players. Of course, most coaches are more concerned with sportsmanship than winning but other than that....
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 18, 2020 14:25:26 GMT -5
At top programs, when we're referring to seniors who weren't drafted as juniors, it's probably more likely than you're giving it credit for. Think of a powerhouse like Florida. And you think a powerhouse coach is going to sit one of his top players for a freshman ? That's even less likely. This is more like a bonus for the coaches with draft type players. Of course, most coaches are more concerned with sportsmanship than winning but other than that.... I think a powerhouse coach is going to sit his $10K senior signs for highly recruited freshman on scholarship, yes.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 18, 2020 17:17:00 GMT -5
And you think a powerhouse coach is going to sit one of his top players for a freshman ? That's even less likely. This is more like a bonus for the coaches with draft type players. Of course, most coaches are more concerned with sportsmanship than winning but other than that.... I think a powerhouse coach is going to sit his $10K senior signs for highly recruited freshman on scholarship, yes. Again, this is what I'm talking about, Ray. I'm not taking about first rounders. The conversation began with a question about senior signs, which was a very interesting point. You're taking about very different players than I am. Senior signs at big-time programs are not stars.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 18, 2020 21:02:45 GMT -5
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Post by danr on Mar 20, 2020 0:44:10 GMT -5
If there is no draft, would college seniors be free agents?
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Post by kman22 on Mar 20, 2020 9:29:21 GMT -5
If nothing else, that would be another blow for the Astros. No first or second round picks in a draft with double the talent.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 20, 2020 10:47:24 GMT -5
That strikes me as a negotiating position. I don't get how that would even work.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 20, 2020 14:21:25 GMT -5
The weenies on the MLB network were intimating this, that service time would be "pro-rated" depending on the number of games played. But the idea of proportional service time for less than 130 games is absurd, a non-starter with the players I'm sure. I can't see a season this year given the rapid rise in the number of virus cases - and we're just starting down this road with a scramble for supplies and an economy that's cracking open. As others have pointed out, it would take a year of service time away from a player such as Betts in his very prime. That seems grossly unfair. As you said, this is probably a negotiating position, but it's not one that will make any friends in the MLBPA.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 20, 2020 15:04:41 GMT -5
Why would prorated service time be bad for the players? That's good for the players...
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