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9/24-9/26 Red Sox @ Rangers Series Thread
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Post by manfred on Sept 25, 2019 9:00:00 GMT -5
Tonight is very likely Rick Porcello's last start in a Red Sox uniform, and I'm going to miss him. I was never a huge Porcello fan the way I am for Sale or the way I particularly was for Pedro and Clemens (and I'm sure Tiant had I seen him pitch with the Red Sox), but I have a lot of respect for Porcello. In a way he reminds me of Tim Wakefield. He'd have his flashes of excellence (or in Porcello's case the entirety of 2016), his periods of getting hit like a pinata, but you could always count on him to take the ball and eat up innings. And it was obvious that he cared about being a Red Sox. I have little doubt Porcello would take less to stay with the Red Sox, but I don't think we're going to see the perpetual $4 million roll-over that the Sox had working with Wakefield, but anyways, that's how Porcello reminds me of Wakefield. Now, of course, he's not a knuckleballer, but rather a smart pitcher who re-invents himself constantly. I think his stuff has diminished, but if anybody can figure out a way to make it work, I would think Porcello would be the guy. I'll remember Porcello fondly and look forward to seeing him whenever the Red Sox celebrate the 2018 team, which by the way - when a number of us were concerned about the pen going into the playoffs - it was Porcello coming out of the pen in the 8th inning of Game 1 ALDS which calmed my nerves, for whatever reason - which was a surprise to me. Didn't realize I'd feel calm with Porcello coming in to protect a 5-3 8th inning lead - and it was the same feeling in Game 2 of the ALCS when he held Houston in check for Boston's first win of the ALCS. And it was Porcello, whose reportoire resembled Derek Lowe a bit, who got the clinching win to eliminate the Yankees in the post-season, an honor that only he and D-Lowe share. And of course, I'll always remember the 86 pitch 1 hitter he threw against the Yankees during that 4 game sweep in 2018, too. Thanks for the memories Rick. I agree completely... I’m grateful to Porcello for being a solid guy these years. It is best they part, but I hope he can go somewhere and get to 200 wins.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 25, 2019 14:27:56 GMT -5
I won't miss Porcello. Goodbye. He absolutely stunk in the postseason in Cy Young season. He was decent last postseason, but he blew up against the Astros once. He was better than the crappy bullpen depth at the time, but that isn't saying much.
He was either always one pitch from getting out of a jam, or one pitch from getting blown up. It was either good or bad. The only thing he gave consistently was innings, which has value. Not enough to keep paying someone, as we have found out with the Khechul market.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 25, 2019 14:47:00 GMT -5
It's very telling that my two interactions with you this week have been 1. You using a benign statement saying I will miss a player who I liked as a jumping off point as to whining about why you won't. 2. A several-post diatribe about why winning championships, and not domestic violence, is "what really matters."
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 25, 2019 15:52:00 GMT -5
Given that this likely Rick's last start, i feel it is appropriate to send him off with a video tribute that sums up the memberships feelings about this player.
I will take the lead, and speak for the collective that is Soxprospects as i offer this song to sum up the feelings of the wonderful people who participate on this great website.
Thanks for the pitching Rick Porcello !! (i actually mean that)
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Post by atzar on Sept 25, 2019 17:02:27 GMT -5
If this is Rick’s last start with us - and there’s no real reason to believe it isn’t - then I wish him the best. He put together a memorable CY season with us and was otherwise a dependable starter every five games, even if the results haven’t been as good as he’d like this season in particular. He was a part of the most dominant Red Sox team in history. He worked hard, embraced the team and city, and was by all accounts a tremendous clubhouse presence.
He represented us well. Nothing but love.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 25, 2019 18:08:10 GMT -5
It's very telling that my two interactions with you this week have been 1. You using a benign statement saying I will miss a player who I liked as a jumping off point as to whining about why you won't. 2. A several-post diatribe about why winning championships, and not domestic violence, is "what really matters." I never said domestic violence doesn't matter, learn to read. In fact, I stated the opposite. That's really offensive from my point of view. I didn't use your post as a start off point. It was being talked about for 3 posts and I chimed in soon thereafter. Not my favorite Sox player. He was very frustrating and good all throughout the course of his career here. Ohh and in pro sports, winning is all that matters. If you want to watch baseball and just watch for the enjoyment of it, go watch youth baseball for a living.
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Post by station13 on Sept 25, 2019 19:25:24 GMT -5
Porcello is good at throwing the ball middle.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 25, 2019 19:27:58 GMT -5
Vintage Porcello this game. Thanks for the memories.
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Post by sarasoxer on Sept 25, 2019 20:22:37 GMT -5
Porcello is good at throwing the ball middle. Perhaps you meant "middle-middle".
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Post by cutz on Sept 25, 2019 21:05:12 GMT -5
Moreland!
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 25, 2019 21:13:35 GMT -5
Vintage Porcello this game. Thanks for the memories. Yep it was. Started slow and still gave them a quality start. Probably did that 30 times in his Red Sox career.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 25, 2019 21:30:40 GMT -5
Hey Ricky, after 964 innings, a Cy Young Award, a key role in the World Series, and finishing off with an 89th quality start in a Red Sox uniform, what is your take on the blatant disrespect?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 25, 2019 21:36:04 GMT -5
Vintage Porcello this game. Thanks for the memories. Yep it was. Started slow and still gave them a quality start. Probably did that 30 times in his Red Sox career. Yes. Very clutch performance. Porcello's final line for year- 5.52 ERA (2nd among qualified starters) A WHIP over 1.4 174.1 innings As I said, very frustrating pitcher for me to watch. Gave him credit for being good, but won't be missed by me. Glad he just dropped the Sox from the 18th to the 19th pick though. Right when you think he's had the last laugh, he just keeps laughing and hurts you in another way this year.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 25, 2019 21:38:03 GMT -5
Hey Ricky, after 964 innings, a Cy Young Award, a key role in the World Series, and finishing off with an 89th quality start in a Red Sox uniform, what is your take on the blatant disrespect? Is it as disrespectful as calling a poster a supporter of domestic abusers or a racist? Because you have implied both at me in the course of over a year and a half.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 25, 2019 21:41:26 GMT -5
1. You literally called winning a championship "what really matters" in a coversation about Aroldis Chapman. Does that mean you support domestic abusers? No. But you're clearly having trouble understanding why some people have a bigger problem looking past that when it comes to winning games than you do.
2. I specifically said you weren't racist when I asked you to use language that was more racially considerate in a very specific circumstance, which I wouldn't have bothered to do if I thought you were a racist. But you're still talking about it two years later so it apparently struck a nerve.
3. You have zero respect for the players. Someone voicing that they like a guy and that they'll miss him on his way out isn't a jumping off point for you to go off about why you don't. Do you show up at funerals and complain the dead guy owes you $5? Show up at concerts just to tell fans that the new album sucks? Porcello had a bad year. A lot of people still like and respect what he did for the team, and even if you don't you picked a weird time to voice it. Learn when to shut up.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 25, 2019 21:46:20 GMT -5
Yep it was. Started slow and still gave them a quality start. Probably did that 30 times in his Red Sox career. Yes. Very clutch performance. Porcello's final line for year- 5.52 ERA (2nd among qualified starters) A WHIP over 1.4 174.1 innings As I said, very frustrating pitcher for me to watch. Gave him credit for being good, but won't be missed by me. Glad he just dropped the Sox from the 18th to the 19th pick though. Right when you think he's had the last laugh, he just keeps laughing and hurts you in another way this year. So I assume you were cheering for him giving up 3 runs in the first inning and not criticizing him?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 25, 2019 21:52:25 GMT -5
1. You literally called winning a championship "what really matters" in a coversation about Aroldis Chapman. Does that mean you support domestic abusers? No. But you're clearly having trouble understanding why some people have a bigger problem looking past that when it comes to winning games than you do. 2. I specifically said you weren't racist when I asked you to use language that was more racially considerate in a very specific circumstance, which I wouldn't have bothered to do if I thought you were a racist. But you're still talking about it two years later so it apparently struck a nerve. 3. You have zero respect for the players. Someone voicing that they like a guy and that they'll miss him on his way out isn't a jumping off point for you to go off about why you don't. Do you show up at funerals and complain the dead guy owes you $5? Porcello had a bad year. A lot of people still like and respect what he did for the team, and even if you don't you picked a weird time to voice it. Learn when to shut up. Winning and Arodlis Chapman are two seperate conversations and two things you can seperate, unless you can't figure that out. Even implying racism in a conversation where racism is never implied is absolutely the wrong thing to do. Is this America? I thought this was America? I need to shut up? Cool.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 25, 2019 21:53:08 GMT -5
Yes. Very clutch performance. Porcello's final line for year- 5.52 ERA (2nd among qualified starters) A WHIP over 1.4 174.1 innings As I said, very frustrating pitcher for me to watch. Gave him credit for being good, but won't be missed by me. Glad he just dropped the Sox from the 18th to the 19th pick though. Right when you think he's had the last laugh, he just keeps laughing and hurts you in another way this year. So I assume you were cheering for him giving up 3 runs in the first inning and not criticizing him? I was laughing at the irony of it.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 25, 2019 22:01:36 GMT -5
Winning and Arodlis Chapman are two seperate conversations and two things you can seperate, unless you can't figure that out. Not everyone agrees you should separate them. Not everyone thinks that trading for a someone who shot up his girlfriend's house is an acceptable path to winning. You do, and that's you, and that's fine, but the fact that you can't get that other people disagree is fascinating. And the fact that you're willing to get into arguments to defend it is telling. I didn't "imply racism." I said outright that you used a racially-insensitve phrase and tried to coach you to do better. The fact that you dismiss that out of hand as someone calling you racist says a lot about you. You don't know the difference between the government prosecuting you and someone telling you when you should shut up? Cool.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 25, 2019 22:10:17 GMT -5
So I assume you were cheering for him giving up 3 runs in the first inning and not criticizing him? I was laughing at the irony of it. You were going to find something to criticize him for not matter how he did, like you've been doing for awhile.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 25, 2019 22:13:10 GMT -5
There really was nothing to be coached about that. I called a baseball player that happened to be white, a gamer. I didn't want a baseball player that happened to be Dominican (and ironically a domestic abuser himself).
There's really no coaching that. I was talking strictly baseball. People were reaching for a excuse to shove their backwards morals down my throat and you were on their side about the issue.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 25, 2019 22:19:18 GMT -5
I was laughing at the irony of it. You were going to find something to criticize him for not matter how he did, like you've been doing for awhile. I wish he could have had another Cy young season, so I could root for him. It's a cold world, you don't perform all year, you're going to hear about it.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 25, 2019 22:22:16 GMT -5
Devers needs 2 more XBH to become the third player aged 22 or younger to have 90 in a season.
Joining Joe DiMaggio and Alex Rodriguez.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 25, 2019 22:23:10 GMT -5
Aye, in the future I shan't make the mistake of shoving down your throat my backwards morals of a) attempting to be considerate with ones words with regards to a sensitve subject, b) not wanting violent abusers on the team I root for even if it improves their chance of winning, and c) not popping into the gameday thread just to be a dick to people who want a enjoy a player in his last day on the team.
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Post by cutz on Sept 25, 2019 22:24:24 GMT -5
Nice win
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