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9/24-9/26 Red Sox @ Rangers Series Thread
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 26, 2019 13:32:30 GMT -5
His name is actually spelled Gorkys.
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Post by cutz on Sept 26, 2019 14:08:24 GMT -5
Corkys, i mean Gorkys....LOL!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 26, 2019 14:09:58 GMT -5
Corkys, i mean Gorkys....LOL! Is that like Craig Nettles or Graig Nettles? Or is that like Jerry Callo or Jerry Gallo (from the movie My Cousin Vinnie)?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 26, 2019 14:49:58 GMT -5
Porcello may have had first inning troubles historically and a poor year, but the guy always gave an honest effort and had uncommon class. He took the mound every fifth day, and if he hadn't, it would have been someone considerably worse. As rough as his season was, he still finished comfortably above replacement level. Is this America? I thought this was America? I need to shut up? Cool. This is a message board that you haven't been banned from for reasons passing my understanding. Because I actually contribute to this board? I don't know. This is a pretty lousy thing to say in general.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 26, 2019 14:50:06 GMT -5
It's very telling that my two interactions with you this week have been 1. You using a benign statement saying I will miss a player who I liked as a jumping off point as to whining about why you won't. 2. A several-post diatribe about why winning championships, and not domestic violence, is "what really matters." I never said domestic violence doesn't matter, learn to read. In fact, I stated the opposite. That's really offensive from my point of view. I didn't use your post as a start off point. It was being talked about for 3 posts and I chimed in soon thereafter. Not my favorite Sox player. He was very frustrating and good all throughout the course of his career here. Ohh and in pro sports, winning is all that matters. If you want to watch baseball and just watch for the enjoyment of it, go watch youth baseball for a living. I mean... come on, man.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 26, 2019 14:53:54 GMT -5
I never said domestic violence doesn't matter, learn to read. In fact, I stated the opposite. That's really offensive from my point of view. I didn't use your post as a start off point. It was being talked about for 3 posts and I chimed in soon thereafter. Not my favorite Sox player. He was very frustrating and good all throughout the course of his career here. Ohh and in pro sports, winning is all that matters. If you want to watch baseball and just watch for the enjoyment of it, go watch youth baseball for a living. I mean... come on, man. If this weren't the case, then why are people that get charged with domestic crimes still allowed to play even after a suspension? Other than that, winning is all that matters in pro sports.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 26, 2019 14:56:19 GMT -5
As a Patriots fan we get tested in this. I mean, I couldn't stand Antonio Brown BEFORE the Pats got him, but I certainly was excited about seeing him on the field.
But then the allegations of his off-field behavior came out - and let's just say I'm more than fine with him not being a Patriot.
It's hard because I don't expect the laundry I root for to be worn by saints, but certain things are harder for me to abide by.
I mean, the Red Sox, I suppose, could have gone after Osuna last season for the bullpen, but instead (like Chapman) they let Houston be the team that got him. Let's just say I was extra thrilled with JBJ hit his grandslammer in ALCS Game 3 last year.
It's hard to know who's who. I mean a lot of us rooted heavily for the Patriots not knowing how awful Aaron Hernandez was and a generation of Buffalo Bills fans grew up idolizing The Juice not knowing what he would be capable of.
I guess, with me, there are certain things that override my fandom. I think given the four championships, it's easier for me to say that. I think there are a lot of character flaws that can be lived with, but certain ones are unforgivable.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 26, 2019 14:58:06 GMT -5
If this weren't the case, then why are people that get charged with domestic crimes still allowed to play even after a suspension? Other than that, winning is all that matters in pro sports. I would say for the same reason that people who commit crimes and serve jail time are released. The hope that they learn from their mistakes and become productive members of society. It can be pie-in-the-sky for some people, but that's always the hope, rather than once (or multiple times) a scum-bag, always a scum-bag (although unfortunately that can be the case). Well, that's what I think the reason is - not that I necessarily agree with it perse.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 26, 2019 15:00:17 GMT -5
If this weren't the case, then why are people that get charged with domestic crimes still allowed to play even after a suspension? Other than that, winning is all that matters in pro sports. The funny thing is that most people just share their view and leave it at that, but your comments always take the *shape* of a logical argument, without being at all logical. It's just a constant stream of shifting claims, goalpost-shifting, motte-and-baileys, equivocations... And it leads you to just endlessly pursue these arguments around and around in circles, filling up half of every discussion thread. Hmph. I blame you for that grand slam.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 26, 2019 15:02:52 GMT -5
If this weren't the case, then why are people that get charged with domestic crimes still allowed to play even after a suspension? Other than that, winning is all that matters in pro sports. The funny thing is that most people just share their view and leave it at that, but your comments always take the *shape* of a logical argument, without being at all logical. It's just a constant stream of shifting claims, goalpost-shifting, motte-and-baileys, equivocations... And it leads you to just endlessly pursue these arguments around and around in circles, filling up half of every discussion thread. Hmph. I blame you for that grand slam. I'm sorry. I didn't get your point then.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 26, 2019 15:24:01 GMT -5
The funny thing is that most people just share their view and leave it at that, but your comments always take the *shape* of a logical argument, without being at all logical. It's just a constant stream of shifting claims, goalpost-shifting, motte-and-baileys, equivocations... And it leads you to just endlessly pursue these arguments around and around in circles, filling up half of every discussion thread. Hmph. I blame you for that grand slam. I'm sorry. I didn't get your point then. My point with the original comment was that you contradicted yourself within a single comment - you say domestic violence matters in a sports context, but then you say that winning is the only thing that matters, i.e., domestic violence doesn't matter. In a follow-up comment you seem to be saying that the fact that players who commit domestic violence get to play after they're suspended goes to show that domestic violence doesn't matter (apparently overlooking the fact that, you know, they get suspended, along with lots of other moral arguments that don't equate 'doing what's right' with 'following the minimum requirements of the law'). Other posters on this board, you may have noticed, sometimes disagree with each other, and sometimes debate about stuff, which is great. But when the respective positions are understood that tends to be the end of it. But have you noticed that your debates tend to be absolutely interminable? It's largely because you shift around the point you're arguing, so that no matter what someone says in response to you you'll have something more to say - by just changing the point you're arguing. I wouldn't normally mention it but you've really filled up this thread in particular with that stuff, in a way that's really compromising the tone of the discussion. Like, the Porcello turd in the punch bowl, and the racial fragility stuff is just a bummer, and a bunch of people have mentioned it, and you seem to be totally incorrigible about it.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 26, 2019 15:34:50 GMT -5
I wasn't contradicting myself because they are two totally seperate things, but you and others are allowed to spin it into the same thing, if they chose, like you did in your original post.
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Post by manfred on Sept 26, 2019 15:40:38 GMT -5
Corkys, i mean Gorkys....LOL! Is that like Craig Nettles or Graig Nettles? Or is that like Jerry Callo or Jerry Gallo (from the movie My Cousin Vinnie)? Oh! I have that Fleer Nettles card! It was once worth a good amount of money.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 26, 2019 16:10:35 GMT -5
That was a dumb little spectacle. Rangers let a guy throw 125 pitches, then intentionally let a foul popup drop, all so that he can get his 200th K. Which he gets on a ball about 4 inches out of the zone. Congratulations, I guess?
Reminds me of Farrell ruining Sale's arm, all so that he could get his 300th K... in Baltimore, rather than in his next start at Fenway. Though this being the last start of the season, it wasn't quite so bad.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Sept 26, 2019 17:12:27 GMT -5
That was a dumb little spectacle. Rangers let a guy throw 125 pitches, then intentionally let a foul popup drop, all so that he can get his 200th K. Which he gets on a ball about 4 inches out of the zone. Congratulations, I guess? Reminds me of Farrell ruining Sale's arm, all so that he could get his 300th K... in Baltimore, rather than in his next start at Fenway. Though this being the last start of the season, it wasn't quite so bad. The smart way would be to bring him back on Sunday out of the bullpen. Won't take too long to get one strikeout.
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Post by widewordofsport on Sept 26, 2019 18:56:24 GMT -5
Wow... I just came to talk about the Rangers manager criticizing the Red Sox for *checks notes* not wanting to strike out... It's one of the dumber things I've heard, unless there is a context I am missing. Not striking out is usually good for winning, unlike dropping a foul ball on purpose (which he didn't condone necessarily, except for the whataboutism)
With regards to the train wreck of a conversation the last few pages. I will chime in on saying that the amazing thing about Porcello is that despite the Red Sox giving him too much money when they didn't have to yet (perception at least) he ended up being worth the contract, and fairly reliable.
As far as separating off and on field performances, I will be glad when Stephen Wright is off the team. That said, your favorite team is always going to have crappy husbands, bad fathers, crazy MAGAs, etc, and I have yet to figure out how to reconcile that with fandom. For me the answer is to be less personally invested in the team as I get older. The irony is I think I got into it with Dunne once for what I felt was glossing over Stephen Wright's issues in an article here.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 26, 2019 19:26:56 GMT -5
Wow... I just came to talk about the Rangers manager criticizing the Red Sox for *checks notes* not wanting to strike out... It's one of the dumber things I've heard, unless there is a context I am missing. Not striking out is usually good for winning, unlike dropping a foul ball on purpose (which he didn't condone necessarily, except for the whataboutism) With regards to the train wreck of a conversation the last few pages. I will chime in on saying that the amazing thing about Porcello is that despite the Red Sox giving him too much money when they didn't have to yet (perception at least) he ended up being worth the contract, and fairly reliable. As far as separating off and on field performances, I will be glad when Stephen Wright is off the team. That said, your favorite team is always going to have crappy husbands, bad fathers, crazy MAGAs, etc, and I have yet to figure out how to reconcile that with fandom. For me the answer is to be less personally invested in the team as I get older. The irony is I think I got into it with Dunne once for what I felt was glossing over Stephen Wright's issues in an article here. I'm a crazy MAGA, deal with it. If you read anything other than Make America Great Again, you are the sickness not the MAGAs but at least you are on the losing team who seem to have problems dealing with it. ADD: We agree on Wright and on the train wreck.
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Post by caseytins on Sept 26, 2019 20:07:06 GMT -5
I wasn't contradicting myself because they are two totally seperate things, but you and others are allowed to spin it into the same thing, if they chose, like you did in your original post. Just relax. Why all of the hate?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 26, 2019 20:11:15 GMT -5
As a Patriots fan we get tested in this. I mean, I couldn't stand Antonio Brown BEFORE the Pats got him, but I certainly was excited about seeing him on the field. But then the allegations of his off-field behavior came out - and let's just say I'm more than fine with him not being a Patriot. It's hard because I don't expect the laundry I root for to be worn by saints, but certain things are harder for me to abide by. I mean, the Red Sox, I suppose, could have gone after Osuna last season for the bullpen, but instead (like Chapman) they let Houston be the team that got him. Let's just say I was extra thrilled with JBJ hit his grandslammer in ALCS Game 3 last year. It's hard to know who's who. I mean a lot of us rooted heavily for the Patriots not knowing how awful Aaron Hernandez was and a generation of Buffalo Bills fans grew up idolizing The Juice not knowing what he would be capable of. I guess, with me, there are certain things that override my fandom. I think given the four championships, it's easier for me to say that. I think there are a lot of character flaws that can be lived with, but certain ones are unforgivable. You are concerned about Antonio Brown but not Robert Kraft ? Asking for a friend.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 26, 2019 20:11:33 GMT -5
I wasn't contradicting myself because they are two totally seperate things, but you and others are allowed to spin it into the same thing, if they chose, like you did in your original post. Just relax. Why all of the hate? No hate, I like Incandenza's posts. Just disagreed with him on that fashioned. I have been very straightforward with everything honestly.
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Post by soxcentral on Sept 26, 2019 20:12:48 GMT -5
Wow... I just came to talk about the Rangers manager criticizing the Red Sox for *checks notes* not wanting to strike out... It's one of the dumber things I've heard, unless there is a context I am missing. Not striking out is usually good for winning, unlike dropping a foul ball on purpose (which he didn't condone necessarily, except for the whataboutism) With regards to the train wreck of a conversation the last few pages. I will chime in on saying that the amazing thing about Porcello is that despite the Red Sox giving him too much money when they didn't have to yet (perception at least) he ended up being worth the contract, and fairly reliable. As far as separating off and on field performances, I will be glad when Stephen Wright is off the team. That said, your favorite team is always going to have crappy husbands, bad fathers, crazy MAGAs, etc, and I have yet to figure out how to reconcile that with fandom. For me the answer is to be less personally invested in the team as I get older. The irony is I think I got into it with Dunne once for what I felt was glossing over Stephen Wright's issues in an article here. I'm a crazy MAGA, deal with it. If you read anything other than Make America Great Again, you are the sickness not the MAGAs but at least you are on the losing team who seem to have problems dealing with it. ADD: We agree on Wright and on the train wreck. That post certainly isn't helping to dispel the crazy MAGA stereotype, that's for sure.
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Post by caseytins on Sept 26, 2019 20:13:22 GMT -5
Sometimes, I wish I could just light up a gravity bong for everyone. I love the discussion, but please be more respectable in terms of the opinion of others. I would love more focus on the future and less complaining about the current.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 26, 2019 20:19:55 GMT -5
Sometimes, I wish I could just light up a gravity bong for everyone. I love the discussion, but please be more respectable in terms of the opinion of others. I would love more focus on the future and less complaining about the current. I wish I could smoke again. Would be nice, but time to grow up and I got a career lol.
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Post by caseytins on Sept 26, 2019 20:20:17 GMT -5
Just relax. Why all of the hate? No hate, I like Incandenza's posts. Just disagreed with him on that fashioned. I have been very straightforward with everything honestly. Sounds good, man. I don't know you or any of the people in this message board. I am very interested to see how the offseason unfolds for the Red Sox.
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Post by caseytins on Sept 26, 2019 20:25:30 GMT -5
Sometimes, I wish I could just light up a gravity bong for everyone. I love the discussion, but please be more respectable in terms of the opinion of others. I would love more focus on the future and less complaining about the current. I wish I could smoke again. Would be nice, but time to grow up and I got a career lol. I used to write actuary equations and would hope that people would die. I did that for too long. Now, I run a pet company and smoke frequently. To each his own. I make a very good living and set my own schedule. 65k a year and no human contact.
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