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9/24-9/26 Red Sox @ Rangers Series Thread
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 26, 2019 20:31:23 GMT -5
As a Patriots fan we get tested in this. I mean, I couldn't stand Antonio Brown BEFORE the Pats got him, but I certainly was excited about seeing him on the field. But then the allegations of his off-field behavior came out - and let's just say I'm more than fine with him not being a Patriot. It's hard because I don't expect the laundry I root for to be worn by saints, but certain things are harder for me to abide by. I mean, the Red Sox, I suppose, could have gone after Osuna last season for the bullpen, but instead (like Chapman) they let Houston be the team that got him. Let's just say I was extra thrilled with JBJ hit his grandslammer in ALCS Game 3 last year. It's hard to know who's who. I mean a lot of us rooted heavily for the Patriots not knowing how awful Aaron Hernandez was and a generation of Buffalo Bills fans grew up idolizing The Juice not knowing what he would be capable of. I guess, with me, there are certain things that override my fandom. I think given the four championships, it's easier for me to say that. I think there are a lot of character flaws that can be lived with, but certain ones are unforgivable. You are concerned about Antonio Brown but not Robert Kraft ? Asking for a friend. Tell your friend that while what Robert Kraft did hardly qualifies as saintly, being a john isn't quite as horrific as the sexual assault and threats that Antonio Brown was and is still doing. I also don't think that Kraft cheating on his girlfriend was cool, but I really hope he never did that kind of thing when Myra was alive.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 26, 2019 20:36:53 GMT -5
You are concerned about Antonio Brown but not Robert Kraft ? Asking for a friend. Tell your friend that while what Robert Kraft did hardly qualifies as saintly, being a john isn't quite as horrific as the sexual assault and threats that Antonio Brown was and is still doing. I also don't think that Kraft cheating on his girlfriend was cool, but I really hope he never did that kind of thing when Myra was alive. The charge is human trafficking. They don't charge pimps and johns with human trafficking. That's solicitation.EDIT: Nevermind, I had recalled an early article but apparently that isn't what the charges are. I agree then Brown is worse. Solicitation is a victimless crime, there were no trafficking charges brought against the spa management.
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Post by cutz on Sept 26, 2019 20:57:40 GMT -5
Wow !
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 26, 2019 21:36:29 GMT -5
I wish I could smoke again. Would be nice, but time to grow up and I got a career lol. I used to write actuary equations and would hope that people would die. I did that for too long. Now, I run a pet company and smoke frequently. To each his own. I make a very good living and set my own schedule. 65k a year and no human contact. That does sound great. My career includes regular drug testing. I would be doing it, if that wasn't the case.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 26, 2019 21:52:12 GMT -5
No hate, I like Incandenza's posts. Just disagreed with him on that fashioned. I have been very straightforward with everything honestly. Sounds good, man. I don't know you or any of the people in this message board. I am very interested to see how the offseason unfolds for the Red Sox. So am I, and to be honest, I think the nature of this offseason is why DD was let go. It wasn't punishment for what he did or didn't do in the past year, and I don't think it is quite a right perspective to criticize the club for jettisoning the guy a year after they had a season as great as any in franchise history. I think DD was let go because the club felt that he simply wasn't the right guy to do what needs to be done this winter -- cull some more expensive members of the herd, make the right shrewd, lower-budget acquisitions, restructure a rotation to deal with the rule changes coming next season, and start to rebuild the farm system. DD's MO is just the opposite: use the assets from the farm to pick up marquee players, and pay good people maybe a little more than they are worth to keep as many pieces as possible around. The franchise's decision wasn't personal. It was business. It's time to figure out the best way forward for the next Red Sox generation, and DD's way just isn't the way forward. It got us an entertaining and rewarding (certainly last year) tenure, but that's past now.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 27, 2019 5:22:51 GMT -5
There's only 2 individual milestones left to get. Mookie with number 30 homerun on the season and win number 20 for Eduardo, then call it a season.
Lol Twitter blew up over a dumb strikeout Mike Minor made yesterday. That was funny. The old timers hated that the Rangers dropped a pop up to get the strikeout. Baseball is just filled with old people who just don't know how people think in today's world.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 27, 2019 6:44:49 GMT -5
There's only 2 individual milestones left to get. Mookie with number 30 homerun on the season and win number 20 for Eduardo, then call it a season. Lol Twitter blew up over a dumb strikeout Mike Minor made yesterday. That was funny. The old timers hated that the Rangers dropped a pop up to get the strikeout. Baseball is just filled with old people who just don't know how people think in today's world. Devers needs 2 more XBH to become the third under 23 year old with 90 XBH in a season. Only ARoid and Joe DiMaggio have done that.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Sept 27, 2019 7:21:31 GMT -5
There's only 2 individual milestones left to get. Mookie with number 30 homerun on the season and win number 20 for Eduardo, then call it a season. Lol Twitter blew up over a dumb strikeout Mike Minor made yesterday. That was funny. The old timers hated that the Rangers dropped a pop up to get the strikeout. Baseball is just filled with old people who just don't know how people think in today's world. Managers could have met before too of 9th. Agreed that Owings would strikeout and PH Betts could hit an inside the park HR. Fielders could walk after ball on Betts hit. Happy?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 27, 2019 7:48:17 GMT -5
There's only 2 individual milestones left to get. Mookie with number 30 homerun on the season and win number 20 for Eduardo, then call it a season. Lol Twitter blew up over a dumb strikeout Mike Minor made yesterday. That was funny. The old timers hated that the Rangers dropped a pop up to get the strikeout. Baseball is just filled with old people who just don't know how people think in today's world. Devers needs 2 more XBH to become the third under 23 year old with 90 XBH in a season. Only ARoid and Joe DiMaggio have done that. Yeah, missed that one. It'll get stashed away in the history books, but I don't know how memorable it'll be. It's cool to have Devers attached to those names though. It'll be amazing to see where Devers' offensive career goes moving forward. I think Mookie getting 30 is a huge milestone. I hope he gets it before it's over.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 27, 2019 8:26:30 GMT -5
There's only 2 individual milestones left to get. Mookie with number 30 homerun on the season and win number 20 for Eduardo, then call it a season. Lol Twitter blew up over a dumb strikeout Mike Minor made yesterday. That was funny. The old timers hated that the Rangers dropped a pop up to get the strikeout. Baseball is just filled with old people who just don't know how people think in today's world. I'd also like to see if Devers can reach 200 hits and can Moreland hit #20 and give the Red Sox seven 20+ HR guys for the first time? And yes Mookie hitting 30 HRs would give the Sox four 30+ HR guys for the first time ever I believe. I'd also like to see if the team can reach 900 runs scored. And the huge question: Can the Red Sox finish the season in double digits as far as games over .500? Ok, the last huge question really isn't that important.
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Post by Smittyw on Sept 27, 2019 11:02:38 GMT -5
Wow... I just came to talk about the Rangers manager criticizing the Red Sox for *checks notes* not wanting to strike out... It's one of the dumber things I've heard, unless there is a context I am missing. Not striking out is usually good for winning, unlike dropping a foul ball on purpose (which he didn't condone necessarily, except for the whataboutism)
Hah, if he did this, that's hilarious and far dumber than the botched popup play. I wasn't able to see this game, but Minor did strike out 9, so if the Red Sox cared for some reason about denying him 200 strikeouts, they didn't work very hard at it. Was it only later in the game that they started avoiding strikeouts to an unhealthy degree? What would have been a more fair and gentlemanly amount of strikeouts to allow him?
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Post by incandenza on Sept 27, 2019 11:05:48 GMT -5
There's only 2 individual milestones left to get. Mookie with number 30 homerun on the season and win number 20 for Eduardo, then call it a season. Lol Twitter blew up over a dumb strikeout Mike Minor made yesterday. That was funny. The old timers hated that the Rangers dropped a pop up to get the strikeout. Baseball is just filled with old people who just don't know how people think in today's world. Seems to me that the "ooh a big round number" attitude is more old-school than anything. Now if he was .1 away from a 5.0 bWAR season or something...
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 27, 2019 11:13:09 GMT -5
There's only 2 individual milestones left to get. Mookie with number 30 homerun on the season and win number 20 for Eduardo, then call it a season. Lol Twitter blew up over a dumb strikeout Mike Minor made yesterday. That was funny. The old timers hated that the Rangers dropped a pop up to get the strikeout. Baseball is just filled with old people who just don't know how people think in today's world. I gotta disagree with you here brother. It is undignified. Yeah, it doesn't have any real effect, but it is showing up your opponent. Owings might not be good, but he probably prefers a weak pop out over a K. Cora wasn't happy and I don't blame him. I didn't like it or Woodward trash response. The more these type of things matter less, the more bad behavior gets normalized. Look at our society in general, it isnt good
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Post by manfred on Sept 27, 2019 11:18:25 GMT -5
There's only 2 individual milestones left to get. Mookie with number 30 homerun on the season and win number 20 for Eduardo, then call it a season. Lol Twitter blew up over a dumb strikeout Mike Minor made yesterday. That was funny. The old timers hated that the Rangers dropped a pop up to get the strikeout. Baseball is just filled with old people who just don't know how people think in today's world. I gotta disagree with you here brother. It is undignified. Yeah, it doesn't have any real effect, but it is showing up your opponent. Owings might be good, but he probably prefers a weak pop out over a K. Cora wasn't happy and I don't blame him. I didn't like it or Woodward trash response. The more these type of things matter less, the more bad behavior gets normalized. Look at our society in general, it isnt good It is bad sportsmanship, which is totally different from “unwritten rules.” As a pitcher, I’d be embarrassed by that strikeout. There is nothing wrong with believing accomplishments should come honestly.
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Post by manfred on Sept 27, 2019 11:23:54 GMT -5
There's only 2 individual milestones left to get. Mookie with number 30 homerun on the season and win number 20 for Eduardo, then call it a season. Lol Twitter blew up over a dumb strikeout Mike Minor made yesterday. That was funny. The old timers hated that the Rangers dropped a pop up to get the strikeout. Baseball is just filled with old people who just don't know how people think in today's world. Seems to me that the "ooh a big round number" attitude is more old-school than anything. Now if he was .1 away from a 5.0 bWAR season or something... I know you are kidding around, but this is actually one of my issues with WAR... not as a kind of meta-stat, but there is a thrill in the park when your guy is one away from a cool round number... the pulse picks up at two strikes etc. I can’t imagine working out the math as a fan in the bleachers to get psyched about the .1 WAR. What would a guy have to do to get that? I don’t even know. It just lacks the mystique, the romance. I’ll always take 300 Ks, 200 hits whatever over an abstract data point. But I am an aesthete. I think a beautiful game is bigger than winning and losing. Edit: ok, who am I kidding.... my team winning is a factor in the beauty of a game. I’m not insane.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 27, 2019 11:32:27 GMT -5
I gotta disagree with you here brother. It is undignified. Yeah, it doesn't have any real effect, but it is showing up your opponent. Owings might be good, but he probably prefers a weak pop out over a K. Cora wasn't happy and I don't blame him. I didn't like it or Woodward trash response. The more these type of things matter less, the more bad behavior gets normalized. Look at our society in general, it isnt good It is bad sportsmanship, which is totally different from “unwritten rules.” As a pitcher, I’d be embarrassed by that strikeout. There is nothing wrong with believing accomplishments should come honestly. I was watching the Rangers' broadcast and the announcers were actually joking before the fact that if the ball went to an infielder they should let the ball get by them to not make the out so Minor would have another chance at the K. But they were clearly joking. Then the Rangers let the popup drop and they were like "Oh. Yeah that's not real cool." In so many words.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 27, 2019 11:35:47 GMT -5
Seems to me that the "ooh a big round number" attitude is more old-school than anything. Now if he was .1 away from a 5.0 bWAR season or something... I know you are kidding around, but this is actually one of my issues with WAR... not as a kind of meta-stat, but there is a thrill in the park when your guy is one away from a cool round number... the pulse picks up at two strikes etc. I can’t imagine working out the math as a fan in the bleachers to get psyched about the .1 WAR. What would a guy have to do to get that? I don’t even know. It just lacks the mystique, the romance. I’ll always take 300 Ks, 200 hits whatever over an abstract data point. But I am an aesthete. I think a beautiful game is bigger than winning and losing. Edit: ok, who am I kidding.... my team winning is a factor in the beauty of a game. I’m not insane. WAR doesn't work at all as a milestone stat: 1. There's no canonical version. A guy celebrating 100 bWAR might have 98 fWAR. 2. You can go backwards. Albert Pujols might get to celebrate passing 100 WAR two or three times! 3. WAR methodologies get tweaked periodically. A guy might pass 100 WAR in February if that's when Fangraphs changes their formula. So, it's unusable for round number milestones. I don't particularly see that as a failing of WAR, it just isn't intended for that purpose.
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Post by manfred on Sept 27, 2019 11:46:07 GMT -5
I know you are kidding around, but this is actually one of my issues with WAR... not as a kind of meta-stat, but there is a thrill in the park when your guy is one away from a cool round number... the pulse picks up at two strikes etc. I can’t imagine working out the math as a fan in the bleachers to get psyched about the .1 WAR. What would a guy have to do to get that? I don’t even know. It just lacks the mystique, the romance. I’ll always take 300 Ks, 200 hits whatever over an abstract data point. But I am an aesthete. I think a beautiful game is bigger than winning and losing. Edit: ok, who am I kidding.... my team winning is a factor in the beauty of a game. I’m not insane. WAR doesn't work at all as a milestone stat: 1. There's no canonical version. A guy celebrating 100 bWAR might have 98 fWAR. 2. You can go backwards. Albert Pujols might get to celebrate passing 100 WAR two or three times! 3. WAR methodologies get tweaked periodically. A guy might pass 100 WAR in February if that's when Fangraphs changes their formula. So, it's unusable for round number milestones. I don't particularly see that as a failing of WAR, it just isn't intended for that purpose. I wouldn’t call it a failing... my point was that for the enjoyment of the game — not abstractly, but in the moment — the classic stats may be logically arbitrary etc, but they remain the ones that produce a visceral thrill. One might step back and analyze the game with metrics, but it is not as easy to get any thrill from.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 27, 2019 11:50:15 GMT -5
Even some of the less useful and arbitrary stats are worth celebrating when you have a lot of them. Like, someone with 83 RBI might very well be having a better season than someone with 110, so it's not something that I think is a great point of comparison in something like an MVP discussion. But if you have 100 RBI the chances are very good that you're having a good season, so I'm not gonna begrudge celebrating it. Same with 20 wins. Eduardo Rodriguez isn't as good as Jacob deGrom, but I'd be thrilled to see him get to 20 wins.
Saves are dumb though, don't celebrate those.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 27, 2019 11:51:02 GMT -5
Seems to me that the "ooh a big round number" attitude is more old-school than anything. Now if he was .1 away from a 5.0 bWAR season or something... I know you are kidding around, but this is actually one of my issues with WAR... not as a kind of meta-stat, but there is a thrill in the park when your guy is one away from a cool round number... the pulse picks up at two strikes etc. I can’t imagine working out the math as a fan in the bleachers to get psyched about the .1 WAR. What would a guy have to do to get that? I don’t even know. It just lacks the mystique, the romance. I’ll always take 300 Ks, 200 hits whatever over an abstract data point. But I am an aesthete. I think a beautiful game is bigger than winning and losing. Edit: ok, who am I kidding.... my team winning is a factor in the beauty of a game. I’m not insane. Yeah, stat-brain can go too far sometimes. It's kinda cool to get 100 RBIs, for instance. We all know RBIs are not a great indicator of how *good* a player is, but they do tell us something about the events that actually happened during the season. If a guy drove in a hundred runs, that means they caused a bunch of runs to score, and that means something! (Wins and saves, on the other hand...)
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 27, 2019 12:17:10 GMT -5
Even some of the less useful and arbitrary stats are worth celebrating when you have a lot of them. Like, someone with 83 RBI might very well be having a better season than someone with 110, so it's not something that I think is a great point of comparison in something like an MVP discussion. But if you have 100 RBI the chances are very good that you're having a good season, so I'm not gonna begrudge celebrating it. Same with 20 wins. Eduardo Rodriguez isn't as good as Jacob deGrom, but I'd be thrilled to see him get to 20 wins. Saves are dumb though, don't celebrate those.I wish Bobby Thigpen's single season saves record was still holding up. It was truly one of the great monuments to statistical meaninglessness. (7.1 k/9, 3.2 bb/9. Finished fourth in the Cy Young voting and fifth in the MVP.)
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Post by manfred on Sept 27, 2019 12:18:46 GMT -5
Even some of the less useful and arbitrary stats are worth celebrating when you have a lot of them. Like, someone with 83 RBI might very well be having a better season than someone with 110, so it's not something that I think is a great point of comparison in something like an MVP discussion. But if you have 100 RBI the chances are very good that you're having a good season, so I'm not gonna begrudge celebrating it. Same with 20 wins. Eduardo Rodriguez isn't as good as Jacob deGrom, but I'd be thrilled to see him get to 20 wins. Saves are dumb though, don't celebrate those. I love wins, deceptive as they may be. They mean a guy got out there regularly, gave innings, held the line. Obviously there are guys like deGrom or Felix who get burned by it, and jokers who get big win numbers on monster teams. But to me there is just something telling about, say, a guy who outperforms his team overall. I mean, Steve Carlton was 27-10 for the ‘72 Phils team that went 59-97. That kind of win loss record is a thing of beauty.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 27, 2019 14:26:55 GMT -5
There's only 2 individual milestones left to get. Mookie with number 30 homerun on the season and win number 20 for Eduardo, then call it a season. Lol Twitter blew up over a dumb strikeout Mike Minor made yesterday. That was funny. The old timers hated that the Rangers dropped a pop up to get the strikeout. Baseball is just filled with old people who just don't know how people think in today's world. I gotta disagree with you here brother. It is undignified. Yeah, it doesn't have any real effect, but it is showing up your opponent. Owings might not be good, but he probably prefers a weak pop out over a K. Cora wasn't happy and I don't blame him. I didn't like it or Woodward trash response. The more these type of things matter less, the more bad behavior gets normalized. Look at our society in general, it isnt good Just think it really doesn't matter in grand scheme of things Jerry. They're kind of making a big deal out of nothing. Mike Minor might have incentives and money attached to it too, but I'm guessing on that one.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 27, 2019 14:53:43 GMT -5
So if Minor had been at 198 K's instead of 199, after the ignored popup should the catcher have let the 3rd strike get by him and let the batter reach 1st, so that Minor could try to strike out the next guy and get 200? This gets ridiculous after awhile.
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