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MLB Wild Card Gameday Thread
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Post by marrcus on Oct 2, 2019 1:07:16 GMT -5
past rightfielder Trent Grisham I'd like to think that one of the great things about MLB is a visiting team --like the RS in LA-- can come in and not be affected if they are good (not like NBA). Brewers had their chance but there are errors and then there are errors.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 2, 2019 1:20:51 GMT -5
With all the talk about labeling Betts "generational" or otherwise, how about that Sosa kid for the Nationals? Between he and Acuna, they will probably spend the next decade or so battling for the MVP award and succeeding Mike Trout as the best players in the game. Sosa is all of 20, has phenominal plate discipline, serious power, and an excellent hit tool. Tatis Jr. is no slouch.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 2, 2019 6:43:01 GMT -5
With all the talk about labeling Betts "generational" or otherwise, how about that Sosa kid for the Nationals? Between he and Acuna, they will probably spend the next decade or so battling for the MVP award and succeeding Mike Trout as the best players in the game. Sosa is all of 20, has phenominal plate discipline, serious power, and an excellent hit tool. The name you're looking for is Juan Soto.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 2, 2019 7:55:12 GMT -5
With all the talk about labeling Betts "generational" or otherwise, how about that Sosa kid for the Nationals? Between he and Acuna, they will probably spend the next decade or so battling for the MVP award and succeeding Mike Trout as the best players in the game. Sosa is all of 20, has phenominal plate discipline, serious power, and an excellent hit tool. The name you're looking for is Juan Soto. Thank you. I ALWAYS screw up that easy name - the future best player of his generation and I always mess it up. That's what happens when you get older. No problem remembering Mario Soto, the ace of the Reds in the first half of the 1980s, but can never remember Juan Soto's name!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 2, 2019 7:58:59 GMT -5
With all the talk about labeling Betts "generational" or otherwise, how about that Sosa kid for the Nationals? Between he and Acuna, they will probably spend the next decade or so battling for the MVP award and succeeding Mike Trout as the best players in the game. Sosa is all of 20, has phenominal plate discipline, serious power, and an excellent hit tool. Tatis Jr. is no slouch. No, he isn't. These phenoms get younger and younger. Devers is like an old man compared to these kids. Hah! Thinking back, I remember when Griffey Jr. came up when he was 19 and I remember Dwight Gooden looking like he was going to be the best pitcher who ever lived when he was 19. I remember Fernando Valenzuela being a sensation at 21 or 22 (whatever age he was in 1981). And if you're old enough then you have a memory of Robin Yount at 18. I think King Felix was quite young, too. Acuna, Soto, and Tatis Jr. are amazing young talents - and I forgot about Tatis because he was injured and didn't get a chance to do what he's already capable of doing.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Oct 2, 2019 8:37:37 GMT -5
World Series outcomes ranked best to worst: Athletics Brewers Twins Nationals Rays Dodgers Astros Atlanta Cardinals Yankees Even though the Brewers are now out, I'd have: Athletics -- Billy Beane deserves it. Love Theo, but he's the best executive in baseball, IMHO. Nationals -- Want Max Scherzer to get a ring. Plus, imagine if they win a ring the year after letting Harper walk? Twins -- They always feel like the Red Sox and Yankees punching bag. Rooting for them to break out. Rays -- The victory parade would be comical to me when 10 people show up to celebrate. Astros -- This team feels like it should be a dynasty and the Red Sox threw a monkey wrench in that last year. They're likably loaded. Atlanta -- Some nice talent, but rooting for them because I still can't believe the 90s Braves only got 1 ring. Though, it would be amusing to see them blow a massive lead in the World Series. Brewers -- Nice to see a new team winning, but Hader and Braun make it hard to root for them. Cardinals -- Never cared for them. Dodgers -- Cavet, I want them to get to the WS and lose and become the Buffalo Bills of baseball. Yankees -- silver lining. Good luck slashing payroll, raising ticket prices AND coming into the season as the Yankees WS Champions. Would love to see the Red Sox FO PR staff in full force trying to spin that. Edit: I forgot that POS Roberto Osuna was on the Houston roster. May want to rethink putting them lower.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Oct 2, 2019 8:49:08 GMT -5
One reason it was so impossible to make the postseason. - The A's went 47-24 after the All Star break. Even if they didn't, the Red Sox were 9 behind Cleveland who missed the playoffs.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 2, 2019 12:09:25 GMT -5
And Hader blows it. That's baseball. I mean, I'm beginning to think the Sox are on to something with not paying relievers premium money. Hader was arguably the best RP in the game this year, and probably inarguably top 3 or 5 or so. (His only issue was home runs, which of course weren't even what got him here.) Go figure. I love playoff baseball, my man is celebrating as he’s caught in a run down. That was awesome I was wondering why nobody was taking about this, but in the replay he didn't stop trying to run until he was clearly screwed. Still not great to get thrown out there, especially given how brutal Washington's bullpen has been. That said, it was an incredible moment, and part of me wonders if extending the Nats' half of the inning would've given the Brewers more time to recover mentally from that gut punch.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 2, 2019 12:46:23 GMT -5
And Hader blows it. That's baseball. I mean, I'm beginning to think the Sox are on to something with not paying relievers premium money. Hader was arguably the best RP in the game this year, and probably inarguably top 3 or 5 or so. (His only issue was home runs, which of course weren't even what got him here.) Go figure. And then how much has Pomeranz made for himself next year after joining the Brewers? Throwing 97 with a K rate of 45% and BB rate of 8% in 26.1 IP (+2 last night)
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 2, 2019 12:46:49 GMT -5
And Hader blows it. That's baseball. I mean, I'm beginning to think the Sox are on to something with not paying relievers premium money. Hader was arguably the best RP in the game this year, and probably inarguably top 3 or 5 or so. (His only issue was home runs, which of course weren't even what got him here.) Go figure. I love playoff baseball, my man is celebrating as he’s caught in a run down. That was awesome I was wondering why nobody was taking about this, but in the replay he didn't stop trying to run until he was clearly screwed. Still not great to get thrown out there, especially given how brutal Washington's bullpen has been. That said, it was an incredible moment, and part of me wonders if extending the Nats' half of the inning would've given the Brewers more time to recover mentally from that gut punch. And in a funny twist, the guy who closed out the Nats' victory was Daniel Hudson, the same guy - just about the only reliever I didn't want the Red Sox to trade for at the deadline. Yes, reliever roulette is crazy, but despite that I think that if Keith Foulke, Jonathan Papelbon, and Koji Uehara weren't as great as they were in their post-season performances the Sox might not have won without them. And the bullpen directly lead to the Sox failing to win in 1986 and not having a designated guy could have hurt them in 1975, so these relievers can really impact a post-season - which means that Craig Kimbrel really, really lead a charmed life in October 2018.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Oct 2, 2019 12:51:30 GMT -5
And Hader blows it. That's baseball. I mean, I'm beginning to think the Sox are on to something with not paying relievers premium money. Hader was arguably the best RP in the game this year, and probably inarguably top 3 or 5 or so. (His only issue was home runs, which of course weren't even what got him here.) Go figure. I love playoff baseball, my man is celebrating as he’s caught in a run down. That was awesome I was wondering why nobody was taking about this, but in the replay he didn't stop trying to run until he was clearly screwed. Still not great to get thrown out there, especially given how brutal Washington's bullpen has been. That said, it was an incredible moment, and part of me wonders if extending the Nats' half of the inning would've given the Brewers more time to recover mentally from that gut punch. I mean, that's not completely fair. Max Scherzer wasn't great in this nor was Chris Sale last year. Just a bad time to have a bad day.
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Post by nomar on Oct 2, 2019 12:57:04 GMT -5
Oakland is favored, but I'll take a Morton/Snell/Glasnow potential piggyback over Manaea who has only made a handful of starts all year (albeit great ones).
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 2, 2019 13:07:14 GMT -5
I'd agree if the lineups they were facing were of equal quality. But that A's lineup is a whole lot more dangerous than the Rays.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 13:07:34 GMT -5
No, he isn't. These phenoms get younger and younger. Devers is like an old man compared to these kids. Hah! Thinking back, I remember when Griffey Jr. came up when he was 19 and I remember Dwight Gooden looking like he was going to be the best pitcher who ever lived when he was 19. I remember Fernando Valenzuela being a sensation at 21 or 22 (whatever age he was in 1981). And if you're old enough then you have a memory of Robin Yount at 18. I think King Felix was quite young, too. Acuna, Soto, and Tatis Jr. are amazing young talents - and I forgot about Tatis because he was injured and didn't get a chance to do what he's already capable of doing. Victor Robles was supposed to be the next great Nats player. Robles is a good young player with a lot of upside, Soto looks like a future MVP.
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Post by nomar on Oct 2, 2019 13:18:25 GMT -5
I'd agree if the lineups they were facing were of equal quality. But that A's lineup is a whole lot more dangerous than the Rays. Rays 5th in OPS vs LHP though. I'm assuming both starters will have short leashes but maybe they strike first and Morton finds some comfort there.
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Post by nomar on Oct 2, 2019 19:53:49 GMT -5
Rays hitting Manaea hard. Two rocket liners for HR. Morton missing his spots though
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Oct 2, 2019 20:36:47 GMT -5
Melvin. Was not prepared for this.
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Post by kevfc89 on Oct 2, 2019 22:12:21 GMT -5
They showed a graphic on the espn2 broadcast that the Rays have the highest percentage of team roster from trades (over 60%).
Players like Morton, Yandy, Pham, Meadows, Adames, Glasnow, Nick Anderson, Pagan, and more have been key to their success. Even the Rays 'whatever' depth moves like Avi Garcia and d'Arnaud have worked out. We should make Chaim Bloom GM and steal some of the other Rays FO members who are responsible for their great, creative decision making. We are gonna need it this offseason.
Sucks for the A's; they lose yet another elimination game.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 2, 2019 22:35:28 GMT -5
Rays 4 home runs, A's 0. Yay MLB.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 3, 2019 5:27:26 GMT -5
Rays 4 home runs, A's 0. Yay MLB. That Garcia one was a homer in the dead ball era, and that alone outscored the A's.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Oct 3, 2019 8:14:46 GMT -5
The A's-Rays game is an example of why team's shouldn't sell out for a WC spot. The Athletics were the better team, but not last night and that's all it takes.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 3, 2019 8:58:00 GMT -5
Rays 4 home runs, A's 0. Yay MLB. That Garcia one was a homer in the dead ball era, and that alone outscored the A's. It was the most boring playoff game I've ever seen.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 3, 2019 10:31:42 GMT -5
The A's-Rays game is an example of why team's shouldn't sell out for a WC spot. The Athletics were the better team, but not last night and that's all it takes. I really really really hate the format. The one-and-done playoff format just feels like such an F-U to the fans of a team that won 97 games this year. It's like you made the playoffs without making the playoffs. Even if the A's just got one more chance to win a game... I know a three game series is about as random, but doesn't losing two games feel a lot more like being legitimately defeated than one? At least it's a series, at least your team got one more chance to not have their season undone by a three run donger in the second inning.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 3, 2019 10:44:11 GMT -5
I mean, I'm beginning to think the Sox are on to something with not paying relievers premium money. Hader was arguably the best RP in the game this year, and probably inarguably top 3 or 5 or so. (His only issue was home runs, which of course weren't even what got him here.) Go figure. I was wondering why nobody was taking about this, but in the replay he didn't stop trying to run until he was clearly screwed. Still not great to get thrown out there, especially given how brutal Washington's bullpen has been. That said, it was an incredible moment, and part of me wonders if extending the Nats' half of the inning would've given the Brewers more time to recover mentally from that gut punch. And in a funny twist, the guy who closed out the Nats' victory was Daniel Hudson, the same guy - just about the only reliever I didn't want the Red Sox to trade for at the deadline. Yes, reliever roulette is crazy, but despite that I think that if Keith Foulke, Jonathan Papelbon, and Koji Uehara weren't as great as they were in their post-season performances the Sox might not have won without them. And the bullpen directly lead to the Sox failing to win in 1986 and not having a designated guy could have hurt them in 1975, so these relievers can really impact a post-season - which means that Craig Kimbrel really, really lead a charmed life in October 2018. Definitely not saying bullpen isn't important. But look at the three RS closers you cited. Foulke was the lone big acquisition. They developed Papelbon and correctly let him walk when he hit FA and got paid. Uehara was plan C, a value signing behind 2 bigger trade acquisitions. Kind of proves the point a bit. I mean, I'm beginning to think the Sox are on to something with not paying relievers premium money. Hader was arguably the best RP in the game this year, and probably inarguably top 3 or 5 or so. (His only issue was home runs, which of course weren't even what got him here.) Go figure. I was wondering why nobody was taking about this, but in the replay he didn't stop trying to run until he was clearly screwed. Still not great to get thrown out there, especially given how brutal Washington's bullpen has been. That said, it was an incredible moment, and part of me wonders if extending the Nats' half of the inning would've given the Brewers more time to recover mentally from that gut punch. I mean, that's not completely fair. Max Scherzer wasn't great in this nor was Chris Sale last year. Just a bad time to have a bad day. What's not fair? I didn't say he's terrible, just that even the surest things aren't sure, particularly in the bullpen. Looking only at on-field reasons, I'd still love to have Hader.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Oct 3, 2019 10:54:12 GMT -5
And in a funny twist, the guy who closed out the Nats' victory was Daniel Hudson, the same guy - just about the only reliever I didn't want the Red Sox to trade for at the deadline. Yes, reliever roulette is crazy, but despite that I think that if Keith Foulke, Jonathan Papelbon, and Koji Uehara weren't as great as they were in their post-season performances the Sox might not have won without them. And the bullpen directly lead to the Sox failing to win in 1986 and not having a designated guy could have hurt them in 1975, so these relievers can really impact a post-season - which means that Craig Kimbrel really, really lead a charmed life in October 2018. Definitely not saying bullpen isn't important. But look at the three RS closers you cited. Foulke was the lone big acquisition. They developed Papelbon and correctly let him walk when he hit FA and got paid. Uehara was plan C, a value signing behind 2 bigger trade acquisitions. Kind of proves the point a bit. I mean, that's not completely fair. Max Scherzer wasn't great in this nor was Chris Sale last year. Just a bad time to have a bad day. What's not fair? I didn't say he's terrible, just that even the surest things aren't sure, particularly in the bullpen. Looking only at on-field reasons, I'd still love to have Hader. I didn't think you were saying he was terrible, but that the philosophy the Sox have on RP might be the right one because Hader, who is an elite reliever, ended the Brewers season. Maybe I'm crossing wires, but from the sounds of it, if the Nationals had lost you could make the argument about not paying big money to an elite starter since Scherzer wasn't great in this one.
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