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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 10, 2020 21:51:37 GMT -5
Has anyone tried to get the arbitration awards to align with, you know, the criteria by which teams actually evaluate players these days? I mean, Moneyball was written almost a generation ago... No, and you'd have to think any push there is going to have to come from the players, right? Pitchers don't get wins like they used to, and better bullpen management is going to result in less-impressive save numbers. Crazy to think about wins and saves being more spread out being responsible for pushing salaries down. If you think it through though, really the entire system needs to be just rebuilt or eliminated.
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Post by orion09 on Jan 11, 2020 1:02:14 GMT -5
Even if they both win, E-Rod and Benny will collectively cost $1M less than the MLBTR predictions.
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Post by ericmvan on Jan 11, 2020 1:29:24 GMT -5
Max Muncy and Chris Taylor, too.
Mookie signed for less than anyone projected when so many big names are going to arb ... I think that's meaningful.
I've been saying that he doesn't want to sign an extension because he has faith in himself and believes that his value will be at a maximum after his walk year. I'm calling it right now: he signs an extension with the Sox during next year's exclusive negotiating period, that while still a huge deal, will be seen as a bit team-friendly, exactly like this year's contract agreement.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Jan 11, 2020 4:14:53 GMT -5
Man, if the Sox ever wanted to capitalize on Workman's peak value, now is especially the time to do it.
He's only getting 3+ million with as good of a year as any reliever in 2019?
He's got to be worth at least a low end top 100 prospect right now. One full year of control. If his value plummets and he has a mediocre year after the year he had last year, I'd be looking back at this one thing with some regret.
Miller and Chapman got crazy value for a half a year of control when they were worth the same in value in 2016.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jan 11, 2020 7:10:02 GMT -5
Might be some disagreement with this, but I'd like to see the Sox be pro-active with Benintendi and actually work on a 6 year extension instead just worry about this one year. He is coming off a poor year, but we know what kind of tools and potential Andrew has. When I see the White Sox signing a player like Luis Roberts, who hasn't even played in the majors, it makes me think we should be doing some of the same, at least after year 1 or 2, with our best talent.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 11, 2020 8:20:04 GMT -5
Might be some disagreement with this, but I'd like to see the Sox be pro-active with Benintendi and actually work on a 6 year extension instead just worry about this one year. He is coming off a poor year, but we know what kind of tools and potential Andrew has. When I see the White Sox signing a player like Luis Roberts, who hasn't even played in the majors, it makes me think we should be doing some of the same, at least after year 1 or 2, with our best talent. How would you determine value at this stage of his career? After last season what is fair for both team and player, you think he wants to sign an extension after he basically laid an egg?
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jan 11, 2020 8:38:34 GMT -5
Might be some disagreement with this, but I'd like to see the Sox be pro-active with Benintendi and actually work on a 6 year extension instead just worry about this one year. He is coming off a poor year, but we know what kind of tools and potential Andrew has. When I see the White Sox signing a player like Luis Roberts, who hasn't even played in the majors, it makes me think we should be doing some of the same, at least after year 1 or 2, with our best talent. How would you determine value at this stage of his career? After last season what is fair for both team and player, you think he wants to sign an extension after he basically laid an egg? Keep costs down, attempt to get some kind of cost control going forward to the averagish supposed regular players over the next several years. i'd also like to see more of this being done with players the last half dozen years which really wasn't, just mostly upper end ones.
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Post by jdb on Jan 11, 2020 10:24:26 GMT -5
So Red Sox payroll on Twitter has us at $231.55 M but still has mlb trade rumors projections for Benni and E Rod that is about $1.3M combined more than what they filed for.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 11, 2020 14:04:23 GMT -5
Max Muncy and Chris Taylor, too.
Mookie signed for less than anyone projected when so many big names are going to arb ... I think that's meaningful.
I've been saying that he doesn't want to sign an extension because he has faith in himself and believes that his value will be at a maximum after his walk year. I'm calling it right now: he signs an extension with the Sox during next year's exclusive negotiating period, that while still a huge deal, will be seen as a bit team-friendly, exactly like this year's contract agreement.
I hope you are right and I can definitely see it happening but it still going to be a big number.
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Post by Smittyw on Feb 8, 2020 19:24:22 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 10, 2020 13:07:34 GMT -5
Hearing is tomorrow. Sox have shown they aren't locked into file and trial. Just settle at the damn midpoint.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Feb 13, 2020 14:07:56 GMT -5
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