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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 7, 2020 9:15:37 GMT -5
Looks like we might start getting details soon on affiliate changes. Yesterday it was reported that the Yankees' affiliates would change as follows: Out AA Trenton A Charleston SS-A Staten Island In AA Somerset (from the Atlantic League) A Hudson Valley (up from the NYPL) I'd presume Hudson Valley winds up in a new Mid-Atlantic League, but who knows given the Ballpark Digest report. That 12-team Sally, if it now has Hudson Valley in addition to Lakewood, is going to have all kinds of issues with travel (and by the way, had anyone posted the report on the proposed travel changes? www.baseballamerica.com/stories/mlb-hopes-to-revamp-milb-travel-rules-alter-start-times/ .
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Post by foreverred9 on Nov 7, 2020 13:32:10 GMT -5
On the surface, I'm surprised to see them leave Staten Island. But attendance was likely the factor, Staten Island attendance wasn't great and Hudson Valley was one of the top draws.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 7, 2020 13:38:48 GMT -5
www.baseballamerica.com/stories/podcast-the-state-of-mlb-minor-leagues-negotiations/Highly recommend the latest BA podcast. Cooper discusses stuff therein that I don't think he's written about. For example, it sounds like rather than roster limits, they're going to just cap systems at 150 domestic players distributed among the 4 affiliates and the complex team (singular, although he did hedge that a bit). So in other words, no more phantom IL, no more unnecessary countermoves just to get a guy on the roster, etc. So my guess is teams will have 27-30 guys in AAA, 26-28 in A, A+, and AA, and the rest (35-40) at the complex.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Nov 7, 2020 20:19:05 GMT -5
Looks like we might start getting details soon on affiliate changes. Yesterday it was reported that the Yankees' affiliates would change as follows: Out AA Trenton A CharlestonSS-A Staten Island In AA Somerset (from the Atlantic League) A Hudson Valley (up from the NYPL) I'd presume Hudson Valley winds up in a new Mid-Atlantic League, but who knows given the Ballpark Digest report. That 12-team Sally, if it now has Hudson Valley in addition to Lakewood, is going to have all kinds of issues with travel (and by the way, had anyone posted the report on the proposed travel changes? www.baseballamerica.com/stories/mlb-hopes-to-revamp-milb-travel-rules-alter-start-times/ . This stinks. I’m very likely to retire in Charleston not long from now. I really hope the Charleston RiverDogs get another MLB affiliation. I’ve enjoyed games there and very much plan to be a regular attendee in the future. It was a bonus when my schedule matched up with a visit from The Drive. They’ve got a nice little ball park right on the Ashley River. it’s a fun place to watch a baseball game.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 7, 2020 20:25:19 GMT -5
With the Florida State League, most of the teams in which are owned by MLB clubs, moving levels, there's going to be a lot of shuffling of those teams' Low A affiliates. I wouldn't worry until the musical chairs game is over.
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Post by nhdave on Nov 9, 2020 15:27:22 GMT -5
Looks like we might start getting details soon on affiliate changes. Yesterday it was reported that the Yankees' affiliates would change as follows: Out AA Trenton A CharlestonSS-A Staten Island In AA Somerset (from the Atlantic League) A Hudson Valley (up from the NYPL) I'd presume Hudson Valley winds up in a new Mid-Atlantic League, but who knows given the Ballpark Digest report. That 12-team Sally, if it now has Hudson Valley in addition to Lakewood, is going to have all kinds of issues with travel (and by the way, had anyone posted the report on the proposed travel changes? www.baseballamerica.com/stories/mlb-hopes-to-revamp-milb-travel-rules-alter-start-times/ . This stinks. I’m very likely to retire in Charleston not long from now. I really hope the Charleston RiverDogs get another MLB affiliation. I’ve enjoyed games there and very much plan to be a regular attendee in the future. It was a bonus when my schedule matched up with a visit from The Drive. They’ve got a nice little ball park right on the Ashley River. it’s a fun place to watch a baseball game. Absolutely loved that Charleston park. great park, can't imagine that will be without a team for long... still thinking about that trip to Lewis BBQ before the game.
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Post by Canseco on Nov 10, 2020 13:58:12 GMT -5
It's hard to beat Charleston in a lot of categories. That city and park deserve a MiLB team.
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Post by jbuttah on Nov 10, 2020 15:25:34 GMT -5
It's hard to beat Charleston in a lot of categories. That city and park deserve a MiLB team. Except for the ballpark chili dogs. Only should eat them if you're getting a colonoscopy the day after.
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Post by sittingstill on Nov 10, 2020 17:36:27 GMT -5
Looks like we might start getting details soon on affiliate changes. This is really not the way to release this information.
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Post by iakovos11 on Nov 10, 2020 19:28:35 GMT -5
Agree. But a funny response, nonetheless, by the Fireflies official Twitter account.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 10, 2020 19:29:24 GMT -5
Trenton also found out in the release that the Yankees were leaving. Kind of brutal.
On a separate point, I don't think that all teams are necessarily going to have as much shuffling as we've seen with the two NY teams. A lot of the shuffling will revolve around the Florida State League moving from Hi-A to Low-A and the Midwest League doing the converse. Organizations with FSL clubs are obviously going to keep them - they play at team ST facilities and I think they're all owned by the MLB clubs. And the Midwest League teams are all pretty solid organizations, so I presume the teams are going to want to keep those too, although maybe not.
Looking very quickly: Tampa Bay, Toronto, Detroit, Minnesota, Miami, St. Louis, Cincinnati have affiliates in the FSL and the Midwest League, so they can just swap their affiliates' levels.
Yankees, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Mets, Pittsburgh have Sally and FSL affiliates and all will need to switch at least one affiliate, presuming the Sally teams don't move levels as well.
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Post by agastonguay13 on Nov 11, 2020 7:12:05 GMT -5
I know there's no point in worrying until things actually play out, but as a Maine resident and Sea Dogs season ticket holder, I can't help but do just that. I really hope the Red Sox don't start playing musical affiliates and leave Portland in the lurch.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 11, 2020 9:36:54 GMT -5
If there's a shuffle it'll be in A-ball probably. In theory, you could have Lowell join that High A Mid-Atlantic league that Hudson Valley and Brooklyn will be in, but I can't see how it'd work with a full-season club sharing the park with UMass-Lowell, and LeLacheur would likely need upgrades to be a High-A park. Add the complication of FSG owning the Salem franchise - they'd probably need to sell, which is possible, I guess. I'd still bet on the four affiliates staying the same though.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 11, 2020 13:19:06 GMT -5
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Post by sarasoxer on Nov 11, 2020 21:08:45 GMT -5
It's hard to beat Charleston in a lot of categories. That city and park deserve a MiLB team. Except for the ballpark chili dogs. Only should eat them if you're getting a colonoscopy the day after. Excellent salubrious statement. I too have felt the alluded to post ballpark chili dog consumption 'rumble in the jungle' .... "Hey Doc! I'm ready to say Ahhh!"
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 12, 2020 10:50:26 GMT -5
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Post by Oregon Norm on Nov 12, 2020 11:34:05 GMT -5
Could it be that MLB will finally take proper nutrition for the up-and-coming talent seriously? Or is that too much to hope for?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 12, 2020 11:38:44 GMT -5
I just tweeted this, but two thoughts:
1) Very positive developments. Increase in pay, eliminating dues, better food are all good things. And that they're still doing it amid COVID/poor business year is heartening.
2) The salaries are still way too low. Low A salary is going to be something like $11k if we're using a 22-week season. Triple-A is $15K. If teams paid every minor leaguer, assuming they do go to a 150-player system, the Triple-A salary, that's $2.25M per team. They won't, so assume $2M. That's NOTHING. Add $1M to that and each player gets $6k more, which at those salaries is quite meaningful.
Very good first step, but that's what it is, a first step.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 13, 2020 21:17:54 GMT -5
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Post by basbal24 on Nov 13, 2020 21:29:27 GMT -5
who will be out salem or greenville ?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 14, 2020 7:43:59 GMT -5
who will be out salem or greenville ? Hopefully Greenville will stay, Eric Jarinko is probably the best minor league GM in our organization.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 14, 2020 7:50:30 GMT -5
If the travel times are a major consideration, I wonder if the Sea Dogs are being considered for Pawtucket. (Note: Not something I would wish for).
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Post by iakovos11 on Nov 14, 2020 9:14:27 GMT -5
If the travel times are a major consideration, I wonder if the Sea Dogs are being considered for Pawtucket. (Note: Not something I would wish for). Are you saying moving the Sea Dogs to Pawtucket? I don't think the stadium being an hour away vs. 2 hrs away is going to make any difference. Attendance is about even and the Hadlock is soooo much better than McCoy, as a stadium.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 14, 2020 9:48:17 GMT -5
If the travel times are a major consideration, I wonder if the Sea Dogs are being considered for Pawtucket. (Note: Not something I would wish for). Are you saying moving the Sea Dogs to Pawtucket? I don't think the stadium being an hour away vs. 2 hrs away is going to make any difference. Attendance is about even and the Hadlock is soooo much better than McCoy, as a stadium. Agree and I prefer Portland but I am talking about travel time for the teams not travel times to Boston.
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Post by iakovos11 on Nov 14, 2020 13:50:41 GMT -5
Are you saying moving the Sea Dogs to Pawtucket? I don't think the stadium being an hour away vs. 2 hrs away is going to make any difference. Attendance is about even and the Hadlock is soooo much better than McCoy, as a stadium. Agree and I prefer Portland but I am talking about travel time for the teams not travel times to Boston. Gotcha
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