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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 5, 2020 13:30:36 GMT -5
www.basketball-reference.com/teams/TOR/2019.htmlLeonard averaged 30.5 points per playoff game and had a 10.1 point box score differential. Lowry was their third scorer and VanVleet was their 6th man. Leonard was the heart and soul of that team. It's why he's easily a top five player and superstar in this league. Those guys carry teams, not just win a game or two. We don't have a Leonard, Yet Tatum and Walker are over 8 for the playoffs on box score and Brown is better than Lowry. The Raptors top guy is Ibaka this year and he doesn't even start. Shit can happen, but we are clearly the better team with the better more impactful players. This is like 2018 all over again, at least then it made sense. The key to the Raptors isn't Lowry, it's Siakam and VanVleet. It's them being good enough to make Lowry the third guy because Lowry has his hands full topping Brown. It's VanVleet and Siakam being better than Tatum and Walker. I'll take that matchup all day long.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 5, 2020 13:36:32 GMT -5
Heart is the emotional leader; not necessarily the best player. Tatum is our best player he’s not the heart and soul of the team.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 5, 2020 14:19:28 GMT -5
Heart is the emotional leader; not necessarily the best player. Tatum is our best player he’s not the heart and soul of the team. You can look at it that way or the heart is your most important organ in your body, Tatum is the most important piece to our team. We go as far as he takes us, just like the Raptors with Leonard. I can't believe we are even discussing this about Lowry. Before Leonard the Raptors were known more for underperforming in the playoffs than being some rock solid stud playoff team. RJP you get your crossing the line from they aren't a cake walk we need to take them seriously, to acting like they are the better team? I get the we need to take them seriously, I don't get the rest of the crap. Lowry has no history of carry a worse team to victory in a seven game playoff series, it's actually the opposite. |
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Post by philarhody on Sept 5, 2020 15:56:45 GMT -5
The Celtics are the more talented team. But the Raptors are as mentally tough and disciplined as any team in the league. The Celtics will need that same mental toughness to win a championship this year, because if they do advance, they are going to eventually play teams with their level of talent.
Tonight is a major test because you better believe Toronto is NOT allowing game 3’s euphoria to take them out of the moment. I want to see if the Celtics can channel this anger into a game 4 beat down. That will tell us a lot about the ceiling of this Boston team.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 5, 2020 16:37:17 GMT -5
Heart is the emotional leader; not necessarily the best player. Tatum is our best player he’s not the heart and soul of the team. You can look at it that way or the heart is your most important organ in your body, Tatum is the most important piece to our team. We go as far as he takes us, just like the Raptors with Leonard. I can't believe we are even discussing this about Lowry. Before Leonard the Raptors were known more for underperforming in the playoffs than being some rock solid stud playoff team. RJP you get your crossing the line from they aren't a cake walk we need to take them seriously, to acting like they are the better team? I get the we need to take them seriously, I don't get the rest of the crap. Lowry has no history of carry a worse team to victory in a seven game playoff series, it's actually the opposite. Your brain is your most important organ if we want to get technical. I’ve never said that were the better team - they are a team you don’t want to have half a second from dead to even in the series though. Tonight’s game will tell us a lot about ourselves. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 5, 2020 16:42:54 GMT -5
anyways, tonight is very close to a must win in my opinion How I feel as well. I hope guys are focused and not feeling pressured, but it's a big one. |
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Post by philarhody on Sept 5, 2020 17:51:58 GMT -5
Gosh first 4 defensive possessions have been lifeless.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 5, 2020 17:53:09 GMT -5
Can’t watch - hopefully hole for end of the game - gamecast looks shitty
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Post by wcp3 on Sept 5, 2020 18:15:32 GMT -5
One of the worst officiated quarters I’ve ever seen, which is saying a lot.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 5, 2020 18:17:49 GMT -5
Same old stuff Celtics getting good easy shots, Raptors outside Lowry is just three's.
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Post by philarhody on Sept 5, 2020 18:27:15 GMT -5
Celtics not shooting well. Jaylen has been ice cold. Down 5 and could be worse.
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Post by wcp3 on Sept 5, 2020 19:09:10 GMT -5
Jaylen is a liability out there right now. They need to be mentally tougher than this.
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Post by wcp3 on Sept 5, 2020 19:19:42 GMT -5
Pathetic performance
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Post by wcp3 on Sept 5, 2020 19:26:18 GMT -5
Soft performance, horrible coaching. This series is 13 minutes from being essentially over.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 5, 2020 19:32:26 GMT -5
That's easily the worst 3 quarters they've played in the 16 games since the NBA started back up.
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Post by wcp3 on Sept 5, 2020 19:53:29 GMT -5
This is the worst coaching performance I’ve ever seen from Stevens. They’re not even looking for Tatum down the stretch.
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Post by wcp3 on Sept 5, 2020 19:58:37 GMT -5
It’s about time Brad Stevens gets ripped apart for being a bad playoff coach.
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Post by wcp3 on Sept 5, 2020 20:12:56 GMT -5
You cannot day enough bad things about this team and their coaching. Game is slipping away, Brad decides to play Wanamaker and Grant. And their stars were complete duds in a game they needed to respond.
Pathetic.
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 5, 2020 20:13:15 GMT -5
No. This isn't acceptable. I can deal with losing like we did in the previous game, but not like this. They haven't found a way to counter that more aggresive defense Toronto has been playing since the 2nd half of the previous game. Tonight, nothing was there.
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Post by philarhody on Sept 5, 2020 20:21:16 GMT -5
It’s about time Brad Stevens gets ripped apart for being a bad playoff coach. Dude, whoever wins this series has a legit shot at the chip. The Celtics didn’t lose this game because of Stevens. They lost because they shot 20% from three and Tatum and Brown shit their pants. The Raptors are tough, man. There are no adolescents on that team. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 5, 2020 20:31:06 GMT -5
Glad I missed this game - hope I’m
Wrong about it being a must win but Toronto is in the drivers seat now. Time to find out what these Celtics are made of.
You can’t get battle tested without being in these spots so if we want to look as the bright side... there it i
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Post by philarhody on Sept 5, 2020 20:31:44 GMT -5
Glad I missed this game - hope I’m Wrong about it being a must win but Toronto is in the drivers seat now. Time to find out what these Celtics are made of. Exactly my thought. If Boston can’t pull themselves out of this situation, they weren’t ready for a championship anyway |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 5, 2020 20:45:40 GMT -5
Been since 11-22-2019 since they scored fewer points, 92 the lowest of the year and it's the lowest three point percentage of the season by a fairly good amount. I'm not counting the Wizard game which was the end of the bench, yet even they shot much better from three point land in that game yet only got 90 points.
Like there's a bad game versus what was likely the worst offensive game of the year. I can take a team winning if they are just better, not this. Brown had awesome looks all night, yet he's tapping his head after misses. That's 2018 type crap from him.
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 5, 2020 20:52:05 GMT -5
I don't think any of this is on Stevens by the way. I'm not even talking about the shooting, there were some bad effort on the glass, bad turnovers, slow passing, failure to execute any semblance of a plan early in the clock, slow closeouts, poor fastbreak attempts. The atrocious shooting is random and it's one of those things, but they played poorly on all levels.
They played shook, plain and simple.
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Post by ianrs on Sept 6, 2020 3:15:24 GMT -5
The Celtics problem is that they obviously are fixated on the OG shot because they thought they had the series won. They need to switch to the mentality that every game is a must win/elimination, one game at a time.
Stevens 3rd quarter lineup was garbage, and he never has the players ready in big moments. Of course that's partially on the players too but I wish the guy would show some damn emotion and passion like Nurse on the sidelines. Nurse played essentially a 7 man rotation and Brad a 9 man, outcoached again. You will lose if you play a 9 man rotation with our bench.
Kemba getting 9 shots is unacceptable. He's our second best offensive player.
The series is far from over but tomorrow is a must win. Lowry with the early offensive board was telling, you have to out hustle this team or you will lose. I hope Jaylen goes and meditates or something and practices his 3s.
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