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Post by chr31ter on Feb 4, 2020 20:43:32 GMT -5
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Post by soxfaninnj on Feb 4, 2020 20:43:56 GMT -5
Just like that it’s back on. Lol
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Post by incandenza on Feb 4, 2020 20:44:14 GMT -5
Because I missed that you had Price in the deal, which I missed because that's a terrible deal that makes no sense. I looked at the return first, and when I saw it, it never occurred to me to check whether you were giving up more than Mookie. The rest of your deal has Betts for Verdugo, Downs, and Stripling, which is basically the consensus expectation with Stripling substituted for a prospect TBD. Since taking on Pollack's full contract has a solid chance of being a net negative, because you are filling an easily filled roster spot, I thought that that was your pessimistic take on the trade.
And why exactly are you trading Price even up for a 4th OF ... and furthermore, in order to get $17M below the limit?
Earlier you questioned me (in your usual gracious way) for asserting that Price still had considerable value, when he's projected at 3.0 WAR (which seems conservative to many people because the algorithms don't know he was great and then hurt), and guys that good are getting $7M to $7.5M per win as free agents. He's far and away the best pitcher who might be available now (something I checked a while back, pretty thoroughly) and other folks have pointed out what kind of contract guys as good as him have gotten this winter.
You seem to miss the point that overpaying a fourth outfielder by $9M is not the same as overpaying a #2 starter by $9M.
And there's nothing in the media that suggests the Dodgers are willing to give us Verdugo for Betts only if we give them Price for what amounts to cheap. If your guess is that all the rumors are wrong and that Betts for Verdugo and Downs is dependent on a Price giveaway, make that argument. If you think that Price is a pure albatross and that swapping him and his contract for Pollock's isn't a huge win for the Dodgers, make that argument.
Sorry for expecting you to read my actual words before you criticize my math. I have little faith that Price will be worth 3 WAR for each of the next three years. Some people put him as low as 1.6 for 2020. others suggest he would Get very little as a free agent, though I know none of them are as smart as you. I imagine he might be more attractive to the Dodgers because he’s now a “proven winner.” For 2021 and 2022, there is a huge chance that Price will be worth even less as he ages.I want to free up money to sign Betts or someone else in 2021 or 2022 Does it really pass the sanity check for you that Price should be projected as below average next season? Steamer projects him for 2.6, despite for some reason projecting a FIP that would be a full 0.60 higher than he was last season. You'd have to judge him to be a serious injury risk to assign him even a 2 WAR projection, and there's no real reason to think he is such a risk.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 4, 2020 20:45:20 GMT -5
These rumors are freaking bipolar
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Post by kevfc89 on Feb 4, 2020 20:46:05 GMT -5
guys im scared
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 4, 2020 20:48:50 GMT -5
Someone blinked. Hope to christ its the Dodgers. Not much margin for error with the Sox.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Feb 4, 2020 20:53:25 GMT -5
If you can't trade your best player I guess alienating him is the next best thing. Bloom is leaving very little room to have a moderate opinion of him, right now I'm at extreme negative. Mookie is the one who has been adamant that he wants to get to free agency, as he’s entitled to do. He’s making a business decision in his own interests. I don’t see how he can justify feeling alienated when the team’s baseball operations section is trying to make baseball/business decisions that are in the team’s interests.
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