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Post by The Town Sports Cards on Jan 22, 2020 12:57:48 GMT -5
The Premier 12 was like Peak Dalbec Experience, too. He slugged .500 for the tournament, which is on the nose. But how get got there? 1.286 slugging (not OPS - slugging), 1 K in 8 PA in his first two games; .238 slugging with 9 K in 25 PA after that. That's the Bobby Dalbec we will soon know and love. The one who everyone on the Gameday thread will be calling to bench and then will turn around and pick up 25 total bases in a three-game series. Make him the closer
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 22, 2020 13:47:27 GMT -5
The Premier 12 was like Peak Dalbec Experience, too. He slugged .500 for the tournament, which is on the nose. But how get got there? 1.286 slugging (not OPS - slugging), 1 K in 8 PA in his first two games; .238 slugging with 9 K in 25 PA after that. That's the Bobby Dalbec we will soon know and love. The one who everyone on the Gameday thread will be calling to bench and then will turn around and pick up 25 total bases in a three-game series. In the podcast they did with Alex about the Sox top 10, Kyle Glaser (who was also gushing about Dalbec on another episode regarding the Premier12 team) was arguing for why Dalbec was so great more than Alex was. And on the Premier12 pod, his point was that Dalbec looked like he belonged or even compared favorably to guys like Vaughn and Bohm (who are both top 30). My response would be that Dalbec has more pro experience, so he kind of should look better to some degree, and that in a small sample, he certainly could look as good, but I'm unsure of that holds up over a larger sample.
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Post by ericmvan on Jan 22, 2020 14:18:14 GMT -5
BA also listed (alphabetically) the 98 players who made one of their initial top 150 lists but who didn't make their top 100.
Included: Duran, Groome, Hernandez (still a prospect by their definition), Mata.
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Post by Addam603 on Jan 22, 2020 14:43:55 GMT -5
BA also listed (alphabetically) the 98 players who made one of their initial top 150 lists but who didn't make their top 100.
Included: Duran, Groome, Hernandez (still a prospect by their definition), Mata.
And Gilberto.
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Post by caseytins on Jan 22, 2020 19:39:11 GMT -5
Mata I'm all in on. Having seen him on a few occasions, I love his arm. I think he will pitch in the bullpen for the Red Sox as a 21 year old this summer.
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 23, 2020 10:58:23 GMT -5
www.mlb.com/news/top-outfield-prospects-for-2020?t=mlb-pipeline-coverageHere are the outfielders. No Red Sox in the (very strong) group. Kinda crazy they only rank 10 if they're going to rank 10 at every other position. You need three times as many outfielders as first basemen, no? Anyhow, I'd imagine everyone there will be Top 50, and I could see Robert/Adell going 2-3 after Franco.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 23, 2020 15:34:46 GMT -5
www.mlb.com/news/top-outfield-prospects-for-2020?t=mlb-pipeline-coverageHere are the outfielders. No Red Sox in the (very strong) group. Kinda crazy they only rank 10 if they're going to rank 10 at every other position. You need three times as many outfielders as first basemen, no? Anyhow, I'd imagine everyone there will be Top 50, and I could see Robert/Adell going 2-3 after Franco. That has always bugged me. And they do top 10 pitchers from each side. I don't get separating them by handedness. It's not like a separate lineup position. Just do 20 pitchers. But it all winds up in the wash when the top 100 comes out I guess.
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 23, 2020 15:40:51 GMT -5
www.mlb.com/news/top-outfield-prospects-for-2020?t=mlb-pipeline-coverageHere are the outfielders. No Red Sox in the (very strong) group. Kinda crazy they only rank 10 if they're going to rank 10 at every other position. You need three times as many outfielders as first basemen, no? Anyhow, I'd imagine everyone there will be Top 50, and I could see Robert/Adell going 2-3 after Franco. That has always bugged me. And they do top 10 pitchers from each side. I don't get separating them by handedness. It's not like a separate lineup position. Just do 20 pitchers. But it all winds up in the wash when the top 100 comes out I guess. In a way, but the Top 10 at most positions get you beyond the Top 100, whereas you've arguably got 18 to 25 OF in that range.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 23, 2020 16:38:05 GMT -5
Yup, and ideally that's the point, right?
Like what's the point of a top 10 RHP list or OF list when you couldn't just figured that out from the top 100?
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Post by ericmvan on Jan 24, 2020 12:38:26 GMT -5
BA also listed (alphabetically) the 98 players who made one of their initial top 150 lists but who didn't make their top 100. Included: Duran, Groome, Hernandez (still a prospect by their definition), Mata.
And Gilberto. Don't know how I missed him! Meanwhile, they just singled out 26 of these guys as most likely to make next year's top 100, and Duran and Mata made the cut, although neither were mentioned as one of their top 6 .
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Post by ericmvan on Jan 24, 2020 12:45:35 GMT -5
Yup, and ideally that's the point, right? Like what's the point of a top 10 RHP list or OF list when you couldn't just figured that out from the top 100? I used to be quite friendly with Callis via e-mail ... if that was via a personal address rather than through BA, I'll drop him a suggestion. It's not as if these guys don't enjoy ranking players.
What they should do is 15 CF'ers and 15 corner outfielders.
Via the same logic, they should do 20 RHSP, 10 LHSP, and 10 relievers. I do get the slight rationale for separating the pitchers by handedness, because teams do try to get some balance there.
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Post by radiohix on Jan 24, 2020 13:45:37 GMT -5
Yup, and ideally that's the point, right? Like what's the point of a top 10 RHP list or OF list when you couldn't just figured that out from the top 100? I used to be quite friendly with Callis via e-mail ... if that was via a personal address rather than through BA, I'll drop him a suggestion. It's not as if these guys don't enjoy ranking players. What they should do is 15 CF'ers and 15 corner outfielders. Via the same logic, they should do 20 RHSP, 10 LHSP, and 10 relievers. I do get the slight rationale for separating the pitchers by handedness, because teams do try to get some balance there.
Callis isn’t working for BA anymore, he’s with MLB Pipeline now.
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Post by ericmvan on Jan 24, 2020 14:03:56 GMT -5
I used to be quite friendly with Callis via e-mail ... if that was via a personal address rather than through BA, I'll drop him a suggestion. It's not as if these guys don't enjoy ranking players. What they should do is 15 CF'ers and 15 corner outfielders. Via the same logic, they should do 20 RHSP, 10 LHSP, and 10 relievers. I do get the slight rationale for separating the pitchers by handedness, because teams do try to get some balance there.
Callis isn’t working for BA anymore, he’s with MLB Pipeline now. Yes. Which is why I can only contact him (about Pipeline's top 10 lists) is I have a non-BA e-mail address for him.
And in fact, I have a gmail address for him from 2011 ... there's a pretty good chance he's still using it.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 24, 2020 16:13:41 GMT -5
I mean I email with Callis pretty regularly too. I'm not going to email him to tell him how he should do his job.
If you do send that email please do not link it back to me.
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Post by ericmvan on Jan 25, 2020 5:15:23 GMT -5
I mean I email with Callis pretty regularly too. I'm not going to email him to tell him how he should do his job. If you do send that email please do not link it back to me. Well, back in 2011 I e-mailed him proposing that BA needed to become the definitive stat source for minor league players, with all sorts of advanced splits and metrics, including the best-ever set of MLE's. That's rather a more extreme suggestion!
I really wanted to do that job for them, and I think it would have a really good idea for them in the long run, but there just wasn't any room in their budget
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 27, 2020 8:54:58 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 27, 2020 9:19:22 GMT -5
He's on their 10 who just missed list and that's basically the reason given.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 28, 2020 11:13:28 GMT -5
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Post by KB24 on Jan 29, 2020 16:37:04 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 4, 2020 16:07:22 GMT -5
11. Chatham 12. Lugo 13. Murphy 14. Bello 15. Wilson 16. Bonaci 17. Zeferjahn 18. Howlett 19. Decker 20. Cannon 21. Politi 22. Rafaela 23. Aybar 24. Liu 25. Aldo Ramirez 26. Esplin 27. Hart 28. Shugart 29. Flores 30. Feltman
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Post by iakovos11 on Feb 4, 2020 16:54:39 GMT -5
They're curiously high on Esplin. Interesting.
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Post by soxfanatic on Feb 4, 2020 16:56:22 GMT -5
They're curiously high on Esplin. Interesting. And sadly low on Flores. How his stock has dipped in a year.
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Post by nomar on Feb 4, 2020 22:49:36 GMT -5
They're curiously high on Esplin. Interesting. And sadly low on Flores. How his stock has dipped in a year. To be fair a truly horrendous year.
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Post by cdj on Feb 5, 2020 0:24:28 GMT -5
NEW #1
ALL HAIL BIGGY BOI BRUSDAR!
Our new thiccc king!
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Post by Smittyw on Feb 9, 2020 14:14:46 GMT -5
NEW #1 ALL HAIL BIGGY BOI BRUSDAR! Our new thiccc king! Let us never forget thicc boi's brief reign as our #1 prospect.
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