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Post by kevfc89 on Jan 13, 2020 16:39:51 GMT -5
I said Cora brought these cheating tactics with him. He did, not that he started or finished anything. He didn't, unless there's hidden cameras, spies, scouts and trashcan language in Boston that I haven't heard about. We should be separating what Cora did in Houston from what he did in Boston and what Boston actually did. Boston cannot be punished for what Cora did in Houston. I guess we'll learn exactly what he did in Boston once the investigation is complete...but have to imagine it's something similar that Cora thought would give the team an advantage or what's the point?
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Post by dirtywater43 on Jan 13, 2020 16:40:46 GMT -5
I said Cora brought these cheating tactics with him. He did, not that he started or finished anything. He didn't, unless there's hidden cameras, spies, scouts and trashcan language in Boston that I haven't heard about. We should be separating what Cora did in Houston from what he did in Boston and what Boston actually did. Boston cannot be punished for what Cora did in Houston. Cora is so good at cheating that he thought of a new way to cheat on the fly in Boston. Cora is the king of cheating. He brought every cheating tactic with him everywhere. That's the only thing I can say without connecting or disconnecting anything. He did bring his cheating tactics with him.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 13, 2020 16:41:03 GMT -5
We should be separating what Cora did in Houston from what he did in Boston and what Boston actually did. Boston cannot be punished for what Cora did in Houston. Agreed and we also have to consider that these talks about Cora being the mastermind of this scheme largely come from the Astros, it's possible they tried to scapegoat him to save themselves.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 13, 2020 16:41:40 GMT -5
He didn't, unless there's hidden cameras, spies, scouts and trashcan language in Boston that I haven't heard about. We should be separating what Cora did in Houston from what he did in Boston and what Boston actually did. Boston cannot be punished for what Cora did in Houston. I guess we'll learn exactly what he did in Boston once the investigation is complete...but have to imagine it's something similar that Cora thought would give the team an advantage or what's the point? There has not been one mention of anything other than using the video room to steal 2nd base signals that could only be used with a runner on 2nd. Which can also be stolen by the runner on 2nd without the video room.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 13, 2020 16:42:12 GMT -5
We should be separating what Cora did in Houston from what he did in Boston and what Boston actually did. Boston cannot be punished for what Cora did in Houston. Agreed and we also have to consider that these talks about Cora being the mastermind of this scheme largely come from the Astros, it's possible they tried to scapegoat him to save themselves. That seems most likely to me.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 13, 2020 16:43:11 GMT -5
He didn't, unless there's hidden cameras, spies, scouts and trashcan language in Boston that I haven't heard about. We should be separating what Cora did in Houston from what he did in Boston and what Boston actually did. Boston cannot be punished for what Cora did in Houston. Cora is so good at cheating that he thought of a new way to cheat on the fly in Boston. Cora is the king of cheating. He brought every cheating tactic with him everywhere. That's the only thing I can say without connecting or disconnecting anything. He did bring his cheating tactics with him. Link to any evidence of that? Remember all the twitter videos showing evidence of Houston cheating? Where is one for Boston?
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Post by dirtywater43 on Jan 13, 2020 16:44:50 GMT -5
I guess we'll learn exactly what he did in Boston once the investigation is complete...but have to imagine it's something similar that Cora thought would give the team an advantage or what's the point? There has not been one mention of anything other than using the video room to steal 2nd base signals that could only be used with a runner on 2nd. Which can also be stolen by the runner on 2nd without the video room. This would have been more probable if Cora only did this with one organization.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 13, 2020 16:45:35 GMT -5
There has not been one mention of anything other than using the video room to steal 2nd base signals that could only be used with a runner on 2nd. Which can also be stolen by the runner on 2nd without the video room. This would have been more probable if Cora only did this with one organization. You're simply assuming he did everything in Boston with zero evidence.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Jan 13, 2020 16:47:20 GMT -5
Cora is so good at cheating that he thought of a new way to cheat on the fly in Boston. Cora is the king of cheating. He brought every cheating tactic with him everywhere. That's the only thing I can say without connecting or disconnecting anything. He did bring his cheating tactics with him. Link to any evidence of that? Remember all the twitter videos showing evidence of Houston cheating? Where is one for Boston? Just waiting for the commissioners inevitable report. Don't worry, he'll find the evidence, no doubt.
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Post by kevfc89 on Jan 13, 2020 16:47:48 GMT -5
Agreed and we also have to consider that these talks about Cora being the mastermind of this scheme largely come from the Astros, it's possible they tried to scapegoat him to save themselves. That seems most likely to me. this is a good point. Even though it's clear Cora was involved, for Luhnow, Hinch, and other Astros players and coaches that were interviewed, the best thing they could do to mitigate their own potential punishment and to protect their organization would probably be to pin most of it on Cora. Does anyone really believe Hinch tried to smash the recording device because he was so against what was happening? Instead of, you know, just telling Cora and his players to cut it out.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 13, 2020 16:48:03 GMT -5
Link to any evidence of that? Remember all the twitter videos showing evidence of Houston cheating? Where is one for Boston? Just waiting for the commissioners inevitable report. Don't worry, he'll find the evidence, no doubt. Sure, I'll change my tune if there is any proof whatsoever. As of now, there aren't even suggestions that he did any of that in Boston.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Jan 13, 2020 16:48:45 GMT -5
This would have been more probable if Cora only did this with one organization. You're simply assuming he did everything in Boston with zero evidence. You're simply defending the Sox and Cora who are and who have been in the wrong this whole time.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Jan 13, 2020 16:50:16 GMT -5
Just waiting for the commissioners inevitable report. Don't worry, he'll find the evidence, no doubt. Sure, I'll change my tune if there is any proof whatsoever. As of now, there aren't even suggestions that he did any of that in Boston. Lol based on your behavior of being a homer, I don't see this doing anything with you. Just know you're on your on planet with this one.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 13, 2020 16:50:53 GMT -5
We should be separating what Cora did in Houston from what he did in Boston and what Boston actually did. Boston cannot be punished for what Cora did in Houston. Agreed and we also have to consider that these talks about Cora being the mastermind of this scheme largely come from the Astros, it's possible they tried to scapegoat him to save themselves. That detail about Hinch being against the plan and damaging the monitors in protest... like, aren't you in charge here, dude? Why are you using the tactics of a crappy passive aggressive roommate? Not trying to dismiss any of this, Cora's obviously implicated in all sorts of stuff he shouldn't be, but I do wonder if we're getting the whole story here.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 13, 2020 16:51:00 GMT -5
You're simply assuming he did everything in Boston with zero evidence. You're simply defending the Sox and Cora who are and who have been in the wrong this whole time. I'm simply asking for evidence of something that they haven't even been accused of. That's hardly unreasonable.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jan 13, 2020 16:53:54 GMT -5
Cora is absolutely going to be fired. His punishment will reflect cheating in both organizations. The Red Sox will also be punished, not for anything Cora did in Houston, but because: A. They cheated. B. They cheated after promising not to cheat after the first time they got caught cheating.
Minimum suspension is going to be a year. What the Red Sox receive in terms of punishment will be interesting.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 13, 2020 16:54:17 GMT -5
Sure, I'll change my tune if there is any proof whatsoever. As of now, there aren't even suggestions that he did any of that in Boston. Lol based on your behavior of being a homer, I don't see this doing anything with you. Just know you're on your on planet with this one. And based on your behavior of being as negative as possible about every single thing regarding sports, I assume you're just assuming the worst as usual. When do you not?
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jan 13, 2020 16:55:05 GMT -5
this is the story of the year. Manfred means business. I don't see how Cora can manage this year or any other. The residual is just too much.
i thank him for the glorious 2018, but a split is inevitable and he should step down asap.
Add: there is no way it isn't a story when everyone reports. It is today's world. They gotta part ways.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Jan 13, 2020 16:57:30 GMT -5
Lol based on your behavior of being a homer, I don't see this doing anything with you. Just know you're on your on planet with this one. And based on your behavior of being as negative as possible about every single thing regarding sports, I assume you're just assuming the worst as usual. When do you not? This is going to end badly, you're the only one pretending this deserves a slap on the wrist from the Sox perspective.
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Post by texs31 on Jan 13, 2020 16:57:41 GMT -5
More and more lately, I feel like Felger has been posting on SP.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jan 13, 2020 16:59:35 GMT -5
to all the further conspiracy theorists. They interviewed everyone under threat of expulsion from the game, I am pretty sure !! Nobody is lying at that point. I think it safe to say you are getting the full story.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 13, 2020 17:00:13 GMT -5
More and more lately, I feel like Felger has been posting on SP. At least a frequent caller.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Jan 13, 2020 17:06:21 GMT -5
More and more lately, I feel like Felger has been posting on SP. After losing your (probably) 6 plus draft picks lost in the last 16 years between the Pats and Sox for being stupid and cheating, yeah anyone could and should get frustrated. Don't care if his name is Felger or Trump. Both teams are losing talents on massive scales for this crap.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 13, 2020 17:10:21 GMT -5
to all the further conspiracy theorists. They interviewed everyone under threat of expulsion from the game, I am pretty sure !! Nobody is lying at that point. I think it safe to say you are getting the full story. Well, we haven't gotten any story about the Red Sox other than a few things that have been leaked before the investigation is over. There are some who have filled in the blanks with the worst possible outcome. And the "Cora was the mastermind" theme could easily have been exaggerated by Houston. The manager is ultimately responsible for his coaches' actions and so is the GM and so is the owner. Nothing gets done for two years without approval.
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Post by prangerx on Jan 13, 2020 17:11:33 GMT -5
Sox are gonna get hammered. We are probably losing draft picks over this. Which will be very damaging. We can probably kiss the 17th pick goodbye and more.
Cora will be suspended for more then a year and be fired.
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