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Post by nomar on Feb 7, 2020 10:42:48 GMT -5
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Post by manfred on Feb 7, 2020 10:47:53 GMT -5
Huzzah! Let the Roenicke era unfurl!
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 7, 2020 10:53:24 GMT -5
This makes a lot of sense. Roenicke knows exactly how Cora ran the team and they should continue what they were doing. They don't need to completely change the culture like they do in Houston. I really don't get the Dusty Baker hiring though. I just can't see him going full analytics and forgetting everything he ever thought he knew about baseball over the last 50 years.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 7, 2020 10:55:21 GMT -5
I guess Febles will become bench coach and they'll need a new 3b coach?
Roenicke was kind of the obvious choice.
I doubt he stays long in the managerial chair.
I would say it even opens up the possibility for the return of Alex Cora should the suspension not go beyond this season, although it could very well be longer.
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 7, 2020 11:01:23 GMT -5
This makes a lot of sense. Roenicke knows exactly how Cora ran the team and they should continue what they were doing. They don't need to completely change the culture like they do in Houston. I really don't get the Dusty Baker hiring though. I just can't see him going full analytics and forgetting everything he ever thought he knew about baseball over the last 50 years. Dusty won't go "full analytics" but he did a good job in Cincinnati and Washington. And if the need is for a culture change, but also for someone who can communicate that change while also getting a lot out of his individual players - doesn't that sound exactly like the job you'd want Baker for? I think he's a great hire there. I'd be very satisfied with Roenicke.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 7, 2020 11:06:08 GMT -5
This makes a lot of sense. Roenicke knows exactly how Cora ran the team and they should continue what they were doing. They don't need to completely change the culture like they do in Houston. I really don't get the Dusty Baker hiring though. I just can't see him going full analytics and forgetting everything he ever thought he knew about baseball over the last 50 years. Dusty won't go "full analytics" but he did a good job in Cincinnati and Washington. And if the need is for a culture change, but also for someone who can communicate that change while also getting a lot out of his individual players - doesn't that sound exactly like the job you'd want Baker for? I think he's a great hire there. Very satisfied with Roenicke. Yeah, he should be very good at changing the culture. I kind of answered my own question there. It's just strange for a team that is so analytically driven to hire such an unconventional manager (for them). And some now say that finding ways to cheat is the end game of extreme analytics. At some point, the untapped analytic edge is cheating without regard to ethics. (Or by trading for domestic abusers for pennies on the dollar) You see it in corporations, and now we see it in sports.
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Post by manfred on Feb 7, 2020 11:15:40 GMT -5
Dusty won't go "full analytics" but he did a good job in Cincinnati and Washington. And if the need is for a culture change, but also for someone who can communicate that change while also getting a lot out of his individual players - doesn't that sound exactly like the job you'd want Baker for? I think he's a great hire there. Very satisfied with Roenicke. Yeah, he should be very good at changing the culture. I kind of answered my own question there. It's just strange for a team that is so analytically driven to hire such an unconventional manager (for them). And some now say that finding ways to cheat is the end game of extreme analytics. At some point, the untapped analytic edge is cheating without regard to ethics. (Or by trading for domestic abusers for pennies on the dollar) You see it in corporations, and now we see it in sports. I don’t think analytics are a direct cause of cheating, and, anyway, guys have always cheated. Technology has just made cheating more sophisticated. That said, I think analytics have accelerated a sense that winning matters above anything else, including fairness of play or style. It seems like the analytics guys see themselves as a break from an “old school” style they hold in contempt. I see this as having worse outcomes than cheating: the elevation of OPS, for example, may lead to more wins, but it has made a slower, less exciting game.... the idea that a guy might be “good” if he is a 3-outcomes player may technically be true, but... blech. And the same may be true of a loss of old school notions like taking pride in not striking out... don’t know what it does to your analytic value, but it made for more compelling viewing.
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Post by soxfanatic on Feb 7, 2020 11:57:27 GMT -5
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Post by nomar on Feb 7, 2020 11:59:35 GMT -5
Kind of scared of the idea of his personality coaching a team that will probably frustrate/disappoint fans.
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Post by kevfc89 on Feb 7, 2020 14:59:26 GMT -5
Roenicke's a boring but safe pick for now imo; should do ok given the continuity. Perhaps Bloom will hand pick his own guy after a season or two.
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Post by baseballlifer34 on Feb 8, 2020 7:12:10 GMT -5
Perfect bridge manager in a bridge year. Makes sense. Maybe the Sox go back after Cora after 2020. This year doesn't matter much anyways.
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Post by manfred on Feb 8, 2020 9:14:55 GMT -5
Perfect bridge manager in a bridge year. Makes sense. Maybe the Sox go back after Cora after 2020. This year doesn't matter much anyways. I think there is zero chance Cora manages in Boston again. The bigger question is if he ever manages again at all. Do the Astros guys become radioactive? Could be.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 8, 2020 10:38:41 GMT -5
Perfect bridge manager in a bridge year. Makes sense. Maybe the Sox go back after Cora after 2020. This year doesn't matter much anyways. I think there is zero chance Cora manages in Boston again. The bigger question is if he ever manages again at all. Do the Astros guys become radioactive? Could be. I'm think you're probably right, but honestly I can't say zero. I think evidence is coming out that shows the cheating plot preceded Cora in Houston and originated with the FO. I definitely think Luhnow is still lying and it's obvious he is. It doesn't get Cora off the hook as he was the liaison between the FO and the players, but he's not the mastermind. If it's a 1 year suspension, then maybe he gets consideration afterward, particularly if the Red Sox don't get any real penalties. I mean, it sounds like the Red Sox really didn't want to let Cora go, but they knew they had no choice. If they do get a choice, they might choose differently. As it is though, Chaim Bloom should and will have a lot to say about who the next long-term manager of the Red Sox should be. He's a collaborator, so I'm sure he's listening to what O'Halloran, Scott, Ferreira, and Romero have to say, which I'm sure would be positives for Cora. I don't think it's going to happen, but I wouldn't rule it completely out either. Having Roenicke as the interim surely doesn't hurt that.
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Post by soxfanatic on Feb 11, 2020 13:46:19 GMT -5
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Post by patford on Feb 11, 2020 14:27:56 GMT -5
Doesn't "interim manager" suggest Cora is coming back after a year ? What other possible reason would there be to basically declare him a lame duck ?
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Post by baseballlifer34 on Feb 11, 2020 14:27:59 GMT -5
Looks like the Sox only named Roenicke manager to avoid bad press of not wanting to go into spring training without a manager.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 11, 2020 14:53:04 GMT -5
Looks like the Sox only named Roenicke manager to avoid bad press of not wanting to go into spring training without a manager. Either that or it is who they want.
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Post by baseballlifer34 on Feb 11, 2020 15:00:50 GMT -5
Looks like the Sox only named Roenicke manager to avoid bad press of not wanting to go into spring training without a manager. Either that or it is who they want. Ohh I have no doubt it is who they want, but they will look terrible (once again this off-season) if they have to replace him in less than a week when the commissioner's report comes out.
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Post by manfred on Feb 11, 2020 15:07:07 GMT -5
Huzzah! Let the Roenicke era unfurl! Huzzah! May it last through spring training!
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Post by orion09 on Feb 11, 2020 17:02:26 GMT -5
Roenicke seems like a nice enough guy, but he doesn’t have an eighth of the confidence or charisma that Cora did. He doesn’t seem like an especially strong analytical thinker either.
I honestly think I’m more bummed about losing Cora than I am about Mookie.
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Post by manfred on Feb 11, 2020 21:55:02 GMT -5
Aren’t we all interim, after all?
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Post by sarasoxer on Feb 11, 2020 22:34:27 GMT -5
Aren’t we all interim, after all? Please, please take the meds. I'm worried about you.😏
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Post by manfred on Feb 11, 2020 23:11:45 GMT -5
Aren’t we all interim, after all? Please, please take the meds. I'm worried about you.😏 Am kidding, but I am baffled by interim... seems like that is usually reserved for people when another guy is already lined up. Otherwise.... you are just manager, no?
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Post by orion09 on Feb 11, 2020 23:33:25 GMT -5
Please, please take the meds. I'm worried about you.😏 Am kidding, but I am baffled by interim... seems like that is usually reserved for people when another guy is already lined up. Otherwise.... you are just manager, no? It’s CYA in case something comes out in Manfred’s report. If/when Roenicke is cleared, he becomes manager manager.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 12, 2020 9:11:01 GMT -5
Please, please take the meds. I'm worried about you.😏 Am kidding, but I am baffled by interim... seems like that is usually reserved for people when another guy is already lined up. Otherwise.... you are just manager, no? They're just doing everything they can to piss you off. That's their only goal.
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