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Post by dd on Feb 12, 2020 17:32:03 GMT -5
Not sure who this is directed at but if it's me, are you seriously arguing that you think there's no correlation between improved strength and conditioning in athletes and the prevention of sports related injuries? Nice try but you’re changing the argument. You are conflating conditioning and strength with weight. News flash: you can be 200 pounds and not be strong or well- conditioned. Sale has never been a particularly heavy (bulk wise). That doesn’t mean he’s ever entered a season poorly conditioned or lacking in strength. Furthermore: adding twenty plus pounds to pitcher (especially one who is no longer in his teens and early 20s) is likely cause changes in his mechanics, which may increase not decrease chances of injury. I'm not a doc and I'm not going to pretend to be. (There is at least 1 doc who's a frequent poster here and maybe he'll chime in.) As a layman though it seems to me you're right that conditioning and weight are not something that go hand in hand in either direction (except at the extremes). OTOH if you are at a given level of conditioning and you lose weight due to an illness like the flu, the chances are pretty good that your conditioning has decreased as well. I think that was the point wk24 was trying to make.
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Post by iakovos11 on Feb 12, 2020 20:48:35 GMT -5
Really, the flu. I mean how bad is it? He lost a couple pounds because he was sick. I don't know about you, but if I get real sick and lose a few pounds, they back on pretty damn quickly when I feel better, and I have no trainers. He's in his 30's. He'll bounce back from this guys. (unless it's the Corona Virus, in which case he'll be on a beach in Mexico all summer).
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Feb 12, 2020 20:58:43 GMT -5
Really, the flu. I mean how bad is it? He lost a couple pounds because he was sick. I don't know about you, but if I get real sick and lose a few pounds, they back on pretty damn quickly when I feel better, and I have no trainers. He's in his 30's. He'll bounce back from this guys. (unless it's the Corona Virus, in which case he'll be on a beach in Mexico all summer). I'm pretty sure trainers wouldn't want Sale putting that weight back on the way that you or any other regular person would put it back on. Even if Sale loses 5 pounds, considering how relatively light he is that'd be significantly worse than someone like, for the sake of perpetuating that weird discussion, Graterol loses something like 10 pounds. He's already had durability concerns that are 100% due to his lack of muscle mass so for him to lose even a little more puts him in than much more of a hole. Yeah, the team has a bunch of professionals dedicated to helping with this, but they're not magicians. They can't just magically fix everything. If you have Sale put on a bunch of weight he probably loses a lot of what makes him so effective as a pitcher, and if you let him stay this skinny he has a higher risk of getting injured. So you're basically just playing the odds with a Catch-22 and managing his workload, hoping that he can stay healthy for the entire season but for him to have a setback so early, especially when his weight training regimen is probably the most important of anyone on the team, is certainly not a great start.
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Post by caseytins on Feb 12, 2020 21:20:30 GMT -5
Really, the flu. I mean how bad is it? He lost a couple pounds because he was sick. I don't know about you, but if I get real sick and lose a few pounds, they back on pretty damn quickly when I feel better, and I have no trainers. He's in his 30's. He'll bounce back from this guys. (unless it's the Corona Virus, in which case he'll be on a beach in Mexico all summer). I echo this. I haven't had a flu or missed a day of work in over 5 years. The last time I had a flu is when I received a flu shot. Just more money being wasted away by the government, medicine, and pharm, but I digress...
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Feb 12, 2020 21:26:18 GMT -5
Really, the flu. I mean how bad is it? He lost a couple pounds because he was sick. I don't know about you, but if I get real sick and lose a few pounds, they back on pretty damn quickly when I feel better, and I have no trainers. He's in his 30's. He'll bounce back from this guys. (unless it's the Corona Virus, in which case he'll be on a beach in Mexico all summer). I echo this. I haven't had a flu or missed a day of work in over 5 years. The last time I had a flu is when I received a flu shot. Just more money being wasted away by the government, medicine, and pharm, but I digress... Okay but none of "not getting the flu" is relevant because... he... already... has it...
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Post by wcsoxfan on Feb 12, 2020 21:37:08 GMT -5
Really, the flu. I mean how bad is it? He lost a couple pounds because he was sick. I don't know about you, but if I get real sick and lose a few pounds, they back on pretty damn quickly when I feel better, and I have no trainers. He's in his 30's. He'll bounce back from this guys. (unless it's the Corona Virus, in which case he'll be on a beach in Mexico all summer). I echo this. I haven't had a flu or missed a day of work in over 5 years. The last time I had a flu is when I received a flu shot. Just more money being wasted away by the government, medicine, and pharm, but I digress... Tinfoil hat off - baseball hat on - spring training is right around the corner. Btw - does this Sale news mean he's NOT in the BSOHL? Because that i definitely won't believe
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Post by caseytins on Feb 12, 2020 22:00:29 GMT -5
I echo this. I haven't had a flu or missed a day of work in over 5 years. The last time I had a flu is when I received a flu shot. Just more money being wasted away by the government, medicine, and pharm, but I digress... Okay but none of "not getting the flu" is relevant because... he... already... has it... He will be fine. He can man up and drink a lot of fluid..
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Post by Addam603 on Feb 12, 2020 22:22:11 GMT -5
Okay but none of "not getting the flu" is relevant because... he... already... has it... He will be fine. He can man up and drink a lot of fluid.. 1) He has pneumonia. 2) it’s the second day of spring training. 3) the man is ill. He needs to focus on getting better. Not forcing himself to play through illness to satisfy some random guy on the internet.
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Post by caseytins on Feb 12, 2020 22:27:39 GMT -5
He will be fine. He can man up and drink a lot of fluid.. 1) He has pneumonia. 2) it’s the second day of spring training. 3) the man is ill. He needs to focus on getting better. Not forcing himself to play through illness to satisfy some random guy on the internet. I'm sorry if I was misunderstood. He will be fine. This is easy to deal with as I've dealt with pneumonia before. I think it's better for him to take it slow. There is no need to rush him in the spring. This being said, he can kick this in very little time with proper fluids and rest.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Feb 12, 2020 22:30:44 GMT -5
1) He has pneumonia. 2) it’s the second day of spring training. 3) the man is ill. He needs to focus on getting better. Not forcing himself to play through illness to satisfy some random guy on the internet. I'm sorry if I was misunderstood. He will be fine. This is easy to deal with as I've dealt with pneumonia before. I think it's better for him to take it slow. There is no need to rush him in the spring. This being said, he can kick this in very little time with proper fluids and rest. It's spring weather already. Dunno how hot in south Florida, but central has been mid 80's most days lately.
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Post by caseytins on Feb 12, 2020 22:34:16 GMT -5
I'm sorry if I was misunderstood. He will be fine. This is easy to deal with as I've dealt with pneumonia before. I think it's better for him to take it slow. There is no need to rush him in the spring. This being said, he can kick this in very little time with proper fluids and rest. It's spring weather already. Dunno how hot in south Florida, but central has been mid 80's most days lately. It'll probably be snowing in Wellington tomorrow. You never know with these new weather patterns. Perhaps the earth's core is getting a tad too warm..
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Post by gerry on Feb 13, 2020 12:30:46 GMT -5
Pneumonia does weaken a body and does take time to regain full strength. But if he is well enough to come to the Fort with pneumonia he is most likely on the back end of the illness and already entered the recovery phase. If so, he won’t miss alot of time.
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Post by manfred on Feb 13, 2020 12:43:21 GMT -5
OMG, if the Chris Sale panic begins before Valentine’s Day, I won’t make it through the season. He has the same body he had when we were stoked to get him. He’s friggin’ Lou Ferrigno compared to Pedro, who made it work despite being a below average-sized 8th grader. Let’s see what happens when he throws a baseball.
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Post by Addam603 on Feb 13, 2020 13:34:47 GMT -5
Not at all a surprise, but Pedroia will not be reporting with the rest of the positional players on Monday. Knee is still sore from the setback.
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Post by dirtdog on Feb 13, 2020 15:22:53 GMT -5
Seeing rumors that Verdugo may not be ready to start season? If true, not good. He hasn't played in like 6 months. He passed his medicals?
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Post by sarasoxer on Feb 13, 2020 15:50:09 GMT -5
Seeing rumors that Verdugo may not be ready to start season? If true, not good. He hasn't played in like 6 months. He passed his medicals? Yeah, that's amazing. He has a "back injury" and has been out since early August---6+ months. What the hey? Why don't we have more info on its nature, extent and the prognosis??
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Post by larrycook on Feb 13, 2020 22:45:38 GMT -5
OMG, if the Chris Sale panic begins before Valentine’s Day, I won’t make it through the season. He has the same body he had when we were stoked to get him. He’s friggin’ Lou Ferrigno compared to Pedro, who made it work despite being a below average-sized 8th grader. Let’s see what happens when he throws a baseball. Does sale’s elbow go pop before or after spring training ends?
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Feb 14, 2020 11:17:42 GMT -5
OMG, if the Chris Sale panic begins before Valentine’s Day, I won’t make it through the season. He has the same body he had when we were stoked to get him. He’s friggin’ Lou Ferrigno compared to Pedro, who made it work despite being a below average-sized 8th grader. Let’s see what happens when he throws a baseball. Chris Sale is 5-10 pounds lighter than Pedro was despite being 7 inches taller.. Pedro was short but he wasn't small in the way that is relevant to this discussion.
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Post by manfred on Feb 14, 2020 12:10:15 GMT -5
OMG, if the Chris Sale panic begins before Valentine’s Day, I won’t make it through the season. He has the same body he had when we were stoked to get him. He’s friggin’ Lou Ferrigno compared to Pedro, who made it work despite being a below average-sized 8th grader. Let’s see what happens when he throws a baseball. Chris Sale is 5-10 pounds lighter than Pedro was despite being 7 inches taller.. Pedro was short but he wasn't small in the way that is relevant to this discussion. There is no way Sale is lighter. He is not listed as lighter. But they are both untraditional bodies. Takes all kinds. Anyway, my point was... let’s freak out when the freaking is good. Dude is sick in February like most people I know. I am optimistic that he can put his ailments from last season behind, and certainly put this behind him. If something looks off in April and May, then by all means let the great freak out go forth.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 14, 2020 13:20:34 GMT -5
The on-going obsession with weight - or lack of it - is just hilarious. Where have you gone El Guapo?
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Post by manfred on Feb 14, 2020 14:02:39 GMT -5
The on-going obsession with weight - or lack of it - is just hilarious. Where have you gone El Guapo? Excellent question: where has Garces gone? Loved him.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Feb 14, 2020 14:42:37 GMT -5
Chris Sale is 5-10 pounds lighter than Pedro was despite being 7 inches taller.. Pedro was short but he wasn't small in the way that is relevant to this discussion. There is no way Sale is lighter. He is not listed as lighter. But they are both untraditional bodies. Takes all kinds. Anyway, my point was... let’s freak out when the freaking is good. Dude is sick in February like most people I know. I am optimistic that he can put his ailments from last season behind, and certainly put this behind him. If something looks off in April and May, then by all means let the great freak out go forth. I did see the wrong weight for Pedro, he's listed 10 pounds lighter than Sale but considering the height difference Sale is much smaller relative to height. I'm not necessarily freaking out but for someone whose durability is as much of a question as it is for Sale, it's definitely not great to have him try to fight an uphill battle so early.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 14, 2020 16:57:11 GMT -5
So all Sale has to do to become a durable work horse is to sit on his couch all winter eating french fries and pizza?
I wonder why the Red Sox haven't figured this out.
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Post by stevedillard on Feb 14, 2020 17:11:21 GMT -5
Even before the injury update, my hopeful comp for a left hitting rightfielder with above doubles power is this guy:
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Feb 14, 2020 21:00:09 GMT -5
Even before the injury update, my hopeful comp for a left hitting rightfielder with above doubles power is this guy: I am right there with you. If Verdugo can give the Sox 10 years like Trot did I'll be satisfied. If he ends up better, well that will be Sweet !!!
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