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Post by Addam603 on Feb 11, 2020 18:29:07 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Feb 11, 2020 18:47:41 GMT -5
Perfect fit for this team
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2020 18:52:17 GMT -5
Me likey.
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Post by rambo77 on Feb 11, 2020 18:56:10 GMT -5
good sign, he can hit lefties....now the sawx need some pitching....not sure why they didn't try to trade for Stripling
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Post by incandenza on Feb 11, 2020 18:57:02 GMT -5
Some of the defensive stats have him on a bit of a downward trajectory over the last few seasons. Hopefully he has some positive regression coming and isn't just getting old.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 11, 2020 18:58:35 GMT -5
Some of the defensive stats have him on a bit of a downward trajectory over the last few seasons. Hopefully he has some positive regression coming and isn't just getting old. Here's one thing that can help that. Not playing 161 games like he did last year.
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Post by kevfc89 on Feb 11, 2020 18:59:45 GMT -5
Mehh. After looking into him more i was actually excited for Puello to get the chance to be the 4th outfielder.
If you look at Pillar, he stays hitting below average but his defense has also fallen off year by year since 2016.
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Post by Addam603 on Feb 11, 2020 19:04:45 GMT -5
The terms of the deal will tell us a lot, but I’d like to see a good old-fashioned position battle for 4th outfielder this spring training. Throw Pillar, Puello, and Andreoli in there and may the best man win.
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Post by Addam603 on Feb 11, 2020 19:06:11 GMT -5
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Post by ericmvan on Feb 11, 2020 19:08:02 GMT -5
Presumably a minor-league deal to compete with Puello. He has an 88 wRC+ Steamer projection, versus 87 for Puello. Metrics indicate that Puello has been the better defender of late; Piillar played a full season and was 1.6 Outs Above Average, while Puello had 1.8 in less than a quarter of a season. Even bigger gap in DRS and UZR.
Pillar OAA last 4 years (rounded) 11, 0, 1, 2. DRS has him below average the last 2 years, UZR/150 2.5, -1.6.
People are thinking we're signing the guy from 2015 and 2016. But he seems to be long gone. I can't see any history of injuries that would have hampered his range, but maybe he's in better shape, and if he can field like that again, sure, he's an asset. Good depth move, though, obviously.
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Post by patford on Feb 11, 2020 19:12:54 GMT -5
Quoting Baseball Reference : "For the 2019 season with the Giants, he batted .264/.293/.442 with 37 doubles (8th in the NL), 21 home runs, 87 RBIs, and 6 sacrifice flies (8th) while stealing 14 bases; his 161 games played for the season were 6th in the majors, while his 6.9 at bats per strikeout were 7th.[98] On defense, he was 3rd in the league in both his range factor/game as an outfielder (2.30) and his fielding percentage as a center fielder (.986)"
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Post by ericmvan on Feb 11, 2020 19:18:17 GMT -5
Quoting Baseball Reference : "For the 2019 season with the Giants, he batted .264/.293/.442 with 37 doubles (8th in the NL), 21 home runs, 87 RBIs, and 6 sacrifice flies (8th) while stealing 14 bases; his 161 games played for the season were 6th in the majors, while his 6.9 at bats per strikeout were 7th.[98] On defense, he was 3rd in the league in both his range factor/game as an outfielder (2.30) and his fielding percentage as a center fielder (.986)" Translation: batters hit a lot of balls in his direction, and instead of booting 4 balls, he booted ... 4 (his % of .987 was MLB average, actually. Backup CFers are apparently more sure-handed than regulars.)
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Post by 75tillnow on Feb 11, 2020 19:50:31 GMT -5
Not predicting it, but would not be surprised to see JBJ traded if Pillar is signed. Word out of SF its that Pillar is not down with being a platoon player. That of course would change if that is all thats offered to him. Even so, with the looming of Puello, it stands to reason if the Sox can dump some salary (even if they have to eat some of JBJ's contract) and use the bucks to sign some starters/openers, JBJ is a goner. Guess we'll know soon enough.
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Post by manfred on Feb 11, 2020 20:28:03 GMT -5
Huzzah! Let the Kevin Pillar era begin!
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 11, 2020 20:55:38 GMT -5
Not predicting it, but would not be surprised to see JBJ traded if Pillar is signed. Word out of SF its that Pillar is not down with being a platoon player. That of course would change if that is all thats offered to him. Even so, with the looming of Puello, it stands to reason if the Sox can dump some salary (even if they have to eat some of JBJ's contract) and use the bucks to sign some starters/openers, JBJ is a goner. Guess we'll know soon enough. I don't think it means a Bradley trade is imminent. I think it means if they're out of contention and can move him at the deadline they have someone they won't mind starting. But I don't think Pillar + Puello = JBJ trade is imminent.
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Post by 75tillnow on Feb 11, 2020 21:06:35 GMT -5
Not predicting it, but would not be surprised to see JBJ traded if Pillar is signed. Word out of SF its that Pillar is not down with being a platoon player. That of course would change if that is all thats offered to him. Even so, with the looming of Puello, it stands to reason if the Sox can dump some salary (even if they have to eat some of JBJ's contract) and use the bucks to sign some starters/openers, JBJ is a goner. Guess we'll know soon enough. I don't think it means a Bradley trade is imminent. I think it means if they're out of contention and can move him at the deadline they have someone they won't mind starting. But I don't think Pillar + Puello = JBJ trade is imminent. Could well be and happy to have your perspective. But to clarify what I said, and not saying you thought I was saying "imminent", the words "Not predicting it"; "would not be surprised"; and "Guess we'll know soon enough" is not = to "imminent.
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Post by ericmvan on Feb 11, 2020 21:07:17 GMT -5
Huzzah! Let the Kevin Pillar era begin! I'm not sure whether you forgot the italics, or have been asleep for the last two years, when his fielding became ordinary.
This is also the same Kevin Pillar who has hit .246 / .282 / .391 vs. RHP the last 3 years (78 wRC+; his career mark is 81). He's a career 103 wRC+ vs. LHP.
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Post by redsox3in10 on Feb 11, 2020 21:13:04 GMT -5
Huzzah! Let the Kevin Pillar era begin! I'm not sure whether you forgot the italics, or have been asleep for the last two years, when his fielding became ordinary.
This is also the same Kevin Pillar who has hit .246 / .282 / .391 vs. RHP the last 3 years (78 wRC+; his career mark is 81). He's a career 103 wRC+ vs. LHP.
He was being super sarcastic. He hates everything the Red Sox do right now.
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Post by Canseco on Feb 11, 2020 21:23:32 GMT -5
As long as Pillar is just a fourth OF, this is fine with me. Outfield defense is so underrated, and even if he has lost a step, he should be capable of being at least league average out there.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 11, 2020 21:27:21 GMT -5
Not sure why they felt the need to sign Pillar now as they've already picked up Puello to be the 4th outfielder.
Pillar is declining as an outfielder and can't hit lefties and is a very impatient hitter. Guess he'll fit in fine on the 2020 Red Sox. Obviously it's a platoon situation until they can trade JBJ at some point.
It's funny because the Sox couldn't trade away JBJ and I figured a team would rather spend less money that deal any talent or take on any JBJ money, and that didn't happen, so now the Sox have both.
If they're busy building their bench, what's taking them so freaking long to bring back Brock Holt? It really wouldn't hurt them to have a LH hitting 2b that can play other positions and get on-base and also actually want to play on the team. Bring Holt back.
The other funny thing is that I can never think of Kevin Pillar without thinking of Kevin Millar and they are kind of opposites as players. Millar could hit a bit and was patient at the plate, but couldn't field worth a damn. Pillar could field (don't know how well now), but he was pretty impatient as a hitter, and not much of a hitter to begin with.
So the Sox have gone from the Kevin Millar era to the Kevin Pillar era.
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Post by cdj on Feb 11, 2020 21:32:25 GMT -5
Puello seems to be one of those priority free agents we never got under dombrowski and he can provide crucial depth to the big league club
Pillar is a solid signing as somebody who can spell Benintendi or JBJ against lefties. He’s also a capable fill in Just in case somebody gets injured out there.
Average to above average glove in all 3 spots is nice to have too
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Post by soxaddict on Feb 11, 2020 21:51:46 GMT -5
While I do like the potential Pillar signing, I would have loved to have seen Brockstar back. Unless they send Arauz back, or trade Chavis, I don’t think there’s room.
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Post by newenglander80 on Feb 11, 2020 22:44:18 GMT -5
Think flipping JBJ to the Pirates for 2 low A pitching Then fill in for the Angles in that dead with the Dodges in a salary dump Joc Pederson and Ross Stripling plus newly inquiring Brusdar Graterol for Matt Barnes and C J Chatham
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 11, 2020 22:44:47 GMT -5
I'll be honest, he's been in the league like 10 years now and I still can't get over the fact that "Kevin Pillar" isn't a hilariously poorly-disguised pseudonym in a novel loosely based on the 2003-2004 Red Sox.
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Post by lennsakata on Feb 11, 2020 22:45:39 GMT -5
Kind of cringing at the idea of he, Peraza and Vazquez at 7-8-9...kind of an obp sinkhole with their collective walk rates but I guess that is why its the bottom of the order. He saw 3.30 pitches per at bat last year which was third lowest. That being said I get the signing
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