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Post by bentossaurus on Jul 16, 2013 21:42:39 GMT -5
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Post by bjb406 on Jul 17, 2013 0:24:03 GMT -5
can someone explain to me why Rivera got MVP of the all star game for pitching 1 inning of middle relief? Also I thought the standing ovation was kind of silly. They don't give everyone else a standing O on their last all star game. His last game in new york sure, but doing it in the all star game is stupid.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jul 17, 2013 0:48:37 GMT -5
can someone explain to me why Rivera got MVP of the all star game for pitching 1 inning of middle relief? Also I thought the standing ovation was kind of silly. They don't give everyone else a standing O on their last all star game. His last game in new york sure, but doing it in the all star game is stupid. I didn't get it either. Kind of goes against the point of the award. Would of been better if they made a ceremony dedicated to Mariano where they dedicated the park in the place of his choosing, but MVP? I didn't agree with that.
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Post by awall on Jul 17, 2013 6:11:05 GMT -5
MVP was probably a bit much, but a standing ovation in one's home city to the best reliever in the history of the game? Yea, that's appropriate and expected. I'd have happily been on my feet.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 17, 2013 7:29:43 GMT -5
There was no obvious all star game MVP, so they just gave it to Rivera. No one performance stuck out. It was more like a career appreciation award.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 17, 2013 7:29:55 GMT -5
can someone explain to me why Rivera got MVP of the all star game for pitching 1 inning of middle relief? Also I thought the standing ovation was kind of silly. They don't give everyone else a standing O on their last all star game. His last game in new york sure, but doing it in the all star game is stupid. I didn't get it either. Kind of goes against the point of the award. Would of been better if they made a ceremony dedicated to Mariano where they dedicated the park in the place of his choosing, but MVP? I didn't agree with that. So this conversation is over whether they gave MVP of a meaningless exhibition game to the right guy, yes? Wow. It's the All-Star Game. It was a sign of respect for a first ballot Hall of Famer. If you can't understand that, I'm not sure what to tell you.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 17, 2013 7:39:44 GMT -5
meaningless exhibition game Home field advantage in the World Series. Fox will tell you time and time again how important home field advantage is in the World Series.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 17, 2013 7:46:33 GMT -5
For one thing, Rivera is only the most respected and admired player of his generation. For another, can anyone even name a single past AS-MVP without looking it up? Sheesh.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 17, 2013 7:52:58 GMT -5
meaningless exhibition game Home field advantage in the World Series. Fox will tell you time and time again how important home field advantage is in the World Series. Were they really pushing that? I watched about five minutes of the thing, saw a middle reliever come into the game, mid inning, to replace another middle reliever, and decided watching the stupid thing wasn't worth the stress that the heat from my TV puts on my air conditioner.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 17, 2013 8:04:22 GMT -5
For another, can anyone even name a single past AS-MVP without looking it up? Sheesh. Off the top of my head... Cal Ripken in 2001 (he homered so it was the obvious choice in his final ASG), JD Drew in 2008, Pedro Martinez in 1999.
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Post by awall on Jul 17, 2013 8:26:35 GMT -5
fred lynn! 1st AS grand slam.
Dave Parker, lordy what an arm!
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Post by elguapo on Jul 17, 2013 8:36:34 GMT -5
It was a sign of respect for a first ballot Hall of Famer. If you can't understand that, I'm not sure what to tell you. It's still stupid, banal, etc. It would mean more to have a kindergartener run onto the field and give him a gold star.
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Post by honkbal on Jul 17, 2013 9:44:58 GMT -5
There was no obvious all star game MVP, so they just gave it to Rivera. No one performance stuck out. It was more like a career appreciation award. This.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 17, 2013 9:55:37 GMT -5
Wait, people are mad about this? Like, seriously?
I have to say, as a Red Sox fan, I'm pretty thrilled that Joe Torre didn't turn Rivera into a starting pitcher in 1996. He'd have 400 wins instead of 600 and whatever saves. Easy throwing motion, incredibly fit, and the best cutter ever? He'd have won eight or ten Cy Young awards.
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Post by elguapo on Jul 17, 2013 10:04:40 GMT -5
Wait, people are mad about this? Like, seriously? Like, people are getting, like, mad that people think it's stupid.
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Post by templeusox on Jul 17, 2013 12:05:17 GMT -5
Wait, people are mad about this? Like, seriously? I have to say, as a Red Sox fan, I'm pretty thrilled that Joe Torre didn't turn Rivera into a starting pitcher in 1996. He'd have 400 wins instead of 600 and whatever saves. Easy throwing motion, incredibly fit, and the best cutter ever? He'd have won eight or ten Cy Young awards. Really? I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 17, 2013 12:11:57 GMT -5
can someone explain to me why Rivera got MVP of the all star game for pitching 1 inning of middle relief? Also I thought the standing ovation was kind of silly. They don't give everyone else a standing O on their last all star game. His last game in new york sure, but doing it in the all star game is stupid. No different than electing icons to an AS game when they have announced retirement prior to their last season and at the AS break? The numbers put up don't deserve it. I can state '83 when both Yaz and Johnny Bench were named to the AL/NL squads and both were having pedestrian years their last year, plus both had announced before the '83 season that they were hanging it up. Both were sure fire 1st ballot HOF material, neither were selected as starters, so they were both given slots on the team.. The league will make "adjustments" for players that are as great as Mo, Yaz, Bench to honor their game and better it. Naming him the MVP, when there was no other obvious choice did no harm and a world of good.
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Post by sammo420 on Jul 17, 2013 12:21:20 GMT -5
For another, can anyone even name a single past AS-MVP without looking it up? Sheesh. Off the top of my head... Cal Ripken in 2001 (he homered so it was the obvious choice in his final ASG), JD Drew in 2008, Pedro Martinez in 1999. That was off of chan Ho Park and there were rumors at the time that he threw him a meatball on purpose so he could hit the home run.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 17, 2013 12:29:39 GMT -5
Wait, people are mad about this? Like, seriously? I have to say, as a Red Sox fan, I'm pretty thrilled that Joe Torre didn't turn Rivera into a starting pitcher in 1996. He'd have 400 wins instead of 600 and whatever saves. Easy throwing motion, incredibly fit, and the best cutter ever? He'd have won eight or ten Cy Young awards. Really? I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. Ok, he wouldn't have won 10 Cy Young awards. But I think Rivera would have been a Hall of Fame-level starting pitcher and made the Yankees a much better team in that 2002-2008 period where they brought in a lot of high-priced veterans with moderate success. His success in the bullpen was totally unprecedented for a reason - most guys in the bullpen are failed starters. Rivera wasn't - he was quite a good one in the minors. He was so much more effective than every reliever ever because he was simply a much better pitcher. Timing and consequence led to him being put in the bullpen, and that's probably fine since he had a more memorable career than, say, Don Sutton even though he was probably less valuable over the course of his career. I can't say for certain that it would've worked out that way of course. Maybe Rivera would've been merely an ok starter and as an allocation of resources decision for a high-market club, making him a closer was the best thing possible. I'm not looking to start a wild debate over it since I know it's one of my more wacky theories.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 17, 2013 13:52:47 GMT -5
It was a sign of respect for a first ballot Hall of Famer. If you can't understand that, I'm not sure what to tell you. It's still stupid, banal, etc. It would mean more to have a kindergartener run onto the field and give him a gold star. Right, because the ASG has always been such a perfect meritocracy.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 17, 2013 13:58:57 GMT -5
Off the top of my head... Cal Ripken in 2001 (he homered so it was the obvious choice in his final ASG), JD Drew in 2008, Pedro Martinez in 1999. That was off of chan Ho Park and there were rumors at the time that he threw him a meatball on purpose so he could hit the home run. I remember. I believe the rumors started because of Park's comments.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 17, 2013 14:00:52 GMT -5
Maybe I'll worry about who gets the ASG MVP once we stop giving out regular season MVP awards to guys who aren't even the best players on their own teams.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 17, 2013 16:35:27 GMT -5
I really don't see what the outrage is about. This was a game where clearly nobody really stood out above anybody else. Rivera pitched as well as anybody else did. He's the greatest closer of all-time who's in the final all-star game of his life and is still pitching as great at age 43 as he has ever done. Closers or in this case 8th inning setup men usually don't win all-star game MVPs, so why not give Rivera one?
What's the problem? I think the voters actually got this one right.
And I usually don't remember All-star Game MVPs either, but I remember Clemens in 1986, Pedro in 1999 (or was it Ted Williams) and Drew in 2008.
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Post by ray88h66 on Jul 17, 2013 17:15:07 GMT -5
The all star break is too long when we start debating things that happened in an exhibition game. Bring on some real action.
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 17, 2013 18:15:16 GMT -5
The all star break is too long Can't be long enough as far as Buchholz is concerned. Oh wait, wrong thread...
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