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Post by stevedillard on Aug 13, 2013 12:09:19 GMT -5
F*** man Meh, If I'm down 4-2 in the bottom of the 6th, I'd rather have a SS who can hit than one who can change a 1st and 2nd one out into a runner on second with two outs situation. Looks good, but isn't the skill ste that is going to help you win the game.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 13, 2013 12:49:31 GMT -5
On ESPN Insider AJ Mass asks: Is this off season the time to trade Miguel Cabrera? The logic: his value will never be higher yet he is ultimately set for decline and still has 2 years and $44M left on his contract (which is exactly why I'd keep him if I was Detroit's GM. But they have other huge contracts to carry so it would be an opportunity to get young, high quality players. One theorized deal was a 3-way with Sox and Miami netting Detroit Giacarlo Stanton and Will Middlebrooks. I don't think the Sox do any 3-way that lets Stanton pass through their fingers unless they are getting Trout, Kershaw, or Bryce Harper coming back, but then again, I know Mr. Larry likes him some veterans. All that said, if the Sox could get 2 years of MiggyC and Xander's not in the deal (and we aren't giving someone else GStanton), I would be all for it. Decide for yourself: insider.espn.go.com/blog/mlb/rumors/post?id=6612
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Post by templeusox on Aug 13, 2013 12:53:00 GMT -5
As long as Ilitch is alive (and I mean that literally) the Tigers are going to be playing for "now."
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Post by Guidas on Aug 13, 2013 13:18:32 GMT -5
Agree.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 13, 2013 16:16:46 GMT -5
@ken_Rosenthal Source: #WhiteSox’s Konerko on waivers. Likely to clear; owed about $3.25M rest of season. Can block any trade due to 10/5 status.
Given the Napoli situation, do the Sox go for a claim? Not sure how much he has in the tank but he's always been a good OBP guy. Down this year due, reportedly to midseason injury, but appears to be getting it back since coming off the DL (and if you don't believe in that sample then he's a lifetime .357OBP and from 2010-12 (i.e. non-injury seasons) he was .393 .388 .371)
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Post by bluechip on Aug 13, 2013 19:53:57 GMT -5
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 13, 2013 23:08:23 GMT -5
@ken_Rosenthal Source: #WhiteSox’s Konerko on waivers. Likely to clear; owed about $3.25M rest of season. Can block any trade due to 10/5 status. Given the Napoli situation, do the Sox go for a claim? Not sure how much he has in the tank but he's always been a good OBP guy. Down this year due, reportedly to midseason injury, but appears to be getting it back since coming off the DL (and if you don't believe in that sample then he's a lifetime .357OBP and from 2010-12 (i.e. non-injury seasons) he was .393 .388 .371) Big Konerko fan, I'd go for it if we can get him without giving up any top 20 prospect.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Aug 13, 2013 23:23:44 GMT -5
@ken_Rosenthal Source: #WhiteSox’s Konerko on waivers. Likely to clear; owed about $3.25M rest of season. Can block any trade due to 10/5 status. Given the Napoli situation, do the Sox go for a claim? Not sure how much he has in the tank but he's always been a good OBP guy. Down this year due, reportedly to midseason injury, but appears to be getting it back since coming off the DL (and if you don't believe in that sample then he's a lifetime .357OBP and from 2010-12 (i.e. non-injury seasons) he was .393 .388 .371) He's a RH 1B who in 3 consecutive years has been worse than Mike Napoli: 2011: 5.4 war .445 woba 2012: 2 war .349 woba 2013: 2 war .340 woba vs 2011: 2.6 war .384 woba 2012: 2 war .371 woba 2013: -1.4 war .294 woba He may be able to pinch-hit vs lefties off the bench - but I wouldn't want to give up a prospect for him unless the White Sox are paying his salary. (even then - not top 20)
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Post by jmei on Aug 13, 2013 23:27:20 GMT -5
This is trending dangerously close to trade discussion subforum stuff.
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Post by bjb406 on Aug 13, 2013 23:53:53 GMT -5
Adam Jones ?@simplyaj10 3h I want to thank whatever slapdick threw that banana towards my direction in CF in the last inning. Way to show ur class u jackass. I seriously hope that BP security and cameras can catch this f*ker who did this Best punishment would be the bounced check solution: post the guy's name and picture at the stadium entrances with a caption indicating he's banned from the park for racist taunting. Only problem is would some people do it just to become (in)famous? How the hell is that racist? I am not calling you out I just honestly don't understand it at all.
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Post by ibsmith85 on Aug 14, 2013 7:29:06 GMT -5
Best punishment would be the bounced check solution: post the guy's name and picture at the stadium entrances with a caption indicating he's banned from the park for racist taunting. Only problem is would some people do it just to become (in)famous? How the hell is that racist? I am not calling you out I just honestly don't understand it at all. Read back one page. And I'm not calling you out, but boy I wish I lived in a world that insanely ignorant gestures of obvious racism just flew right over my head.
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Post by elguapo on Aug 14, 2013 8:54:41 GMT -5
He's a RH 1B who in 2 out of 3 consecutive years has been worse than Mike Napoli: 2012: .349 woba - Napoli at C vs 2012: .371 woba - Konerko If you throw out Napoli's career year and if you think Konerko's healthy now, there's a reasonable argument that he's better.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 14, 2013 9:08:57 GMT -5
He's a RH 1B who in 2 out of 3 consecutive years has been worse than Mike Napoli: 2012: .349 woba - Napoli at C vs 2012: .371 woba - Konerko If you throw out Napoli's career year and if you think Konerko's healthy now, there's a reasonable argument that he's better. Konerko is .213/.273/.313 since coming off the DL. Only 88 PAs, but still, that's horrifying.
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Post by ibsmith85 on Aug 14, 2013 9:11:44 GMT -5
Forget Konerko, Morneau is a far better option in my opinion. But honestly unless an injury hits, I don't see the Sox adding anyone to the 25 man, who do they drop if so?
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Post by elguapo on Aug 14, 2013 9:15:04 GMT -5
How the hell is that racist? I am not calling you out I just honestly don't understand it at all. Read back one page. And I'm not calling you out, but boy I wish I lived in a world that insanely ignorant gestures of obvious racism just flew right over my head. Thankfully many people are not aware of the wide array of bizarre racial slurs - they have no place in polite society and many people still do live in generally wholesome circles. During the OJ trial I had to wrack my brain to figure out what this N-word was that Mark Fuhrman said because no one around me - no one - ever used it and I'd only heard it in the very occasional movie. When Fuzzy Zoeller joked that Tiger could choose fried chicken & collard greens I wasn't sure what collard greens were but I thought the fried chicken would be a popular choice - who doesn't love fried chicken? Come to find out black people are supposed to love fried chicken more than everyone else does - who would have ever guessed that without being told, or figured it would be offensive? As the Oscar & Hammerstein lyrics go, "You have to be carefully taught" this stuff, among other reasons because it just doesn't make sense.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 14, 2013 9:16:43 GMT -5
Forget Konerko, Morneau is a far better option in my opinion. But honestly unless an injury hits, I don't see the Sox adding anyone to the 25 man, who do they drop if so? Napoli. DFA. You're paying him to suck right now. Why not do so and keep him from hurting the team. Also he doesn't get more bonuses for being in the line-up.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 14, 2013 9:17:13 GMT -5
Forget Konerko, Morneau is a far better option in my opinion. .257/.317/.410 in his last 1336 PAs. Sounds awesome.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 14, 2013 9:20:15 GMT -5
The gift that is Jim Bowden keeps giving. After writing a piece just two days ago that names the Sox as one of the top two teams that would be interested in Abreu, he completely leaves them off of his 2013 Free Agent piece when he talks about...Abreu. Also doesn't seem to think the Sox have any interest in McCann. I truly wish this guy was still a GM. We could fleece him out of his best players for a rosin bag. insider.espn.go.com/blog/the-gms-office/post?id=7447
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Post by ibsmith85 on Aug 14, 2013 9:26:18 GMT -5
Forget Konerko, Morneau is a far better option in my opinion. .257/.317/.410 in his last 1336 PAs. Sounds awesome. I didn't say he sounds awesome, just that he was better than Konerko for this year, and I don't care about anything other than this year. Konerko has been atrocious, Morneau has out produced him handedly this year, and has been red hot of late. You also cherry picked my comment by cutting off the end of the statement, in which I said I don't see them adding anyone anyways.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 14, 2013 9:26:23 GMT -5
I'll always remember Bowden for the way he was so adamant about not including Pokey Reese in the deal for an in-his-prime Ken Griffey, Jr.
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Post by nexus on Aug 14, 2013 9:35:23 GMT -5
.257/.317/.410 in his last 1336 PAs. Sounds awesome. I didn't say he sounds awesome, just that he was better than Konerko for this year, and I don't care about anything other than this year. Konerko has been atrocious, Morneau has out produced him handedly this year, and has been red hot of late. You also cherry picked my comment by cutting off the end of the statement, in which I said I don't see them adding anyone anyways. Who do they even entertain adding, anyway? I've never seen the 1B position in a worse state offensively. There are currently 4 guys with a min of 300 plate appearances slugging over .480. Compare that to as recently as 2009 when there were 21.
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Post by iakovos11 on Aug 14, 2013 9:42:58 GMT -5
And I wouldn't add a LHH 1B anyway, unless he was a HUGE upgrade (aka unavailable on waiver deal). So no to Morneau.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 14, 2013 9:44:10 GMT -5
I didn't say he sounds awesome, just that he was better than Konerko for this year, and I don't care about anything other than this year. Konerko has been atrocious, Morneau has out produced him handedly this year, and has been red hot of late. You also cherry picked my comment by cutting off the end of the statement, in which I said I don't see them adding anyone anyways. Who do they even entertain adding, anyway? I've never seen the 1B position in a worse state offensively. There are currently 4 guys with a min of 300 plate appearances slugging over .480. Compare that to as recently as 2009 when there were 21. If you mean for next year, Loney will be a free agent. And they could actually try Carp and a platoon partner. Or Abreu. Or there will be a trade.
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Post by jmei on Aug 14, 2013 9:53:25 GMT -5
James Loney, eh? Sign me up!!!
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Post by semperfisox on Aug 14, 2013 10:09:45 GMT -5
Ugh, I hate the dodgers.
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