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Post by raftsox on Sept 18, 2013 20:47:58 GMT -5
Announcers can be so frustrating sometimes. ESPN guys, including Dave O'Brien who I thought knew his stuff, just said that the only reason the rays were in it was because of Myers. They used Price's 8-8 record and Longoria's avg as evidence.
On the plus side; USA Today had an article this morning talking about the MVP and based it off WAR.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 19, 2013 16:29:20 GMT -5
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 19, 2013 23:09:51 GMT -5
fenwaythehardwaySo Yost makes dumb decisions. Is Girardi a bad manager also in a PO hunt? He left Chamberlain in the game today, down 3-1 in the 7th with a lefty up and 2 out, with 2 on and his lefty warmed up (Cabreal). Kaye was just saying "we'll be talking about this decision if it goes wrong afterwards" and then Adam Lind hits a bomb out to right.. Lind had a .400+ Career Avg vs Chamberlain.. People are talking up Girardi as a possible MOY candidate.. We can find cases for EVERY manager making dumb decisions if we look...
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 20, 2013 10:25:38 GMT -5
Girardi is a bad manager, particularly when it comes to creating overly and unnecessarily strict "rules" (scare quotes for emphasis) for his bullpen, and then inflexible confining himself within those rules when things go wrong. The only reason anyone is talking about him for MOY is that the Yankees get a ton of attention. I try to stay away from the whole "the media is biased towards the Yankees" stuff, but I really think it's accurate here If another team petered around in contention but out of the playoffs overusing veterans, nobody would even notice.
Also, your argument that Ned Yost isn't a bad manager is that a different manager screwed something up? Yost is probably the worst strategist, at least among guys who have held a long-term gig, of any manager I've encountered in my baseball-watching life. A quick google search will give you a plethora of examples of Ned Yost blunders. Getting a good six weeks from Emilio Bonifacio isn't going to change my opinion of him.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 20, 2013 11:50:15 GMT -5
Fans like to talk about a lot of managers being dumb, and it's usually the case that the industry doesn't see things the same way. Now, you can attribute that to a failure of the industry or the ignorance of fans (it's some of both, really). But Yost is famous for actually being fired by his team in the middle of a playoff race, which is unheard of. So you can't even chalk this up to fans just not understanding what makes a good manager. Maybe Dayton Moore knows something that we, the Brewers, and every other team that has declined to give Yost a job in between his stints with the Brewers and Royals, but I really doubt it.
Next up, can we please finally admit that Ron Washington isn't a very good manager?
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 20, 2013 18:26:02 GMT -5
James,
There was no implication of any particular manager in between (or before) McKeon messing anything up. I thought Freddy Gonzalez was a decent manager at Miami for instance, tho Guillen was a disaster and nothing really either way about John Gibbons at Toronto, nor Washington's manager (don't recall) when he was there.
Bonifacio is a "high maintenance" type of player mentally that needs that boost of confidence thought my initial post said, maybe it didn't well enough. He needs that to get his game going and have the managers confidence in him.
Agree with you there Fenwaythehardway.. This will be the 3rd time now Washington should have lost his job.. 1st time when he became the 2nd manager caught using Cocaine (after Hobson who was immediately fired), then last year after losing the division to Oakland and this year after blowing another DC.
Boston in the 70's did this every year, with more talent than these Ranger teams have.. Only didn't have the comfort of the WC to fall back on as these teams do.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Sept 20, 2013 21:26:26 GMT -5
I wasn't watching but was following the scoreboard. Old friend Mark Melancon had another blow up tonight.
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 20, 2013 22:58:12 GMT -5
Maybe Dayton Moore knows something LOL
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Post by charliezink16 on Sept 21, 2013 2:36:52 GMT -5
I wasn't watching but was following the scoreboard. Old friend Mark Melancon had another blow up tonight. I was at the game tonight. A couple of drunk guys around me were loudly complaining about Hurdle bringing in Melancon when Liriano was on track for a complete game (while citing the fact that he pulled Morton in a similar fashion last game which led to Melancon's blown save). Needless to say, the place was quiet after that inning. With Washington surging, hopefully the NL wild card race becomes very interesting.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 21, 2013 7:34:59 GMT -5
If you look at the numbers without having watched, looks like he's getting babip'ed to death. In the three games this month in which Melancon has gotten hit around, giving up 11 hits in 2.2 ip, ALL of the hits were singles, and he's still got an 11/0 K/BB rate for the month in 8.2 ip. FWIW, all three runs were unearned last night. PBP last night was K (of Votto), gb single to right, 6-3, E6-throwing, soft line drive to right 1B, (Hamilton PR, steals 2B), 1B on sharp ground ball to SS (pulled)
How is Jordy Mercer's D supposed to be? He looks like the responsible party both b/c of the error and some GBs that got through him. Also, how is a playoff team starting Jordy Mercer at shortstop?
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Post by pedroelgrande on Sept 21, 2013 9:35:29 GMT -5
Yeah as I said I didn't watch but later saw that the inning unraveled by mistakes.
That was a tough loss for Pitt, later they had to watch STL come back and win their game.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 23, 2013 17:22:39 GMT -5
Manny Machado looks like he just tore his ACL. Ugh. Injuries suck.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Sept 23, 2013 18:30:01 GMT -5
Manny Machado looks like he just tore his ACL. Ugh. Injuries suck. Was watching it looked like it just gave in. Tough luck.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 25, 2013 12:16:49 GMT -5
Was sad seeing Halladay attempt that start. He really was throwing that slow and FB was what he was throwing mostly in that 10-12 pitches he attempted before was finally yanked. He's one of the maybe dozen guys starting right now that could be counted whom could make it 30+ years ago in a rotation, by that? I mean take the ball every 4 days if he had to and not complain and go 7+IP most every time out. Not knocking nwer starters, just the mentality of some. Halladay, Lackey, Kershaw, Peavey, Buehrle. Just not a lot like them that have it in them. Anyway.. Good story on Halladay here: Halladay
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Post by ibsmith85 on Sept 25, 2013 15:56:18 GMT -5
After 3 horrible starts to begin his tenure with the Mets, Dice-K pitched very well for his 4th straight start today shutting out the Reds over 7 innings.
First 3 Starts: 12.1IP 19H 15ER 7BB 12K Last 4 Starts: 26.1IP 13H 4ER 9BB 21K
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Post by nebraska4sox on Sept 26, 2013 9:40:55 GMT -5
Im sure you have all heard of the ridiculousness of the contract that Robinson Cano is going to ask for. He is asking for 10 years and 305 million guaranteed. I don't think there is any way a team would sign a 31 year old player who is starting to decline a little bit for this long as this much money.
Have we not learned anything from A-Roid, Pujols and Josh Hamilton. Not to mention the Bum Carl Crawford.
Should be interesting to see what he does end up getting or if he ends up staying a Yankee. Jay-Z is really trying to make a splash with his first professional athlete.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Sept 26, 2013 9:49:38 GMT -5
First time I've ever heard about a player asking for a lot of money. It will be the first time someone has given it to them.
To be less sarcastic lets wait until its actually the off season to laugh at all these insane rumors that we'll hear once the off season starts. You know like there always are.
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Post by okin15 on Sept 26, 2013 9:49:52 GMT -5
Can someone remind me, are their draft pick forfeitures tied to going over the lux tax threshold in the new CBA, or is it just more money than before?
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Post by azblue on Sept 26, 2013 9:53:34 GMT -5
I think a 10-year, $300 million deal would be a great sign for the Yankees...and the Red Sox. I'm sure we all love the deals with ARod and Tex, too.
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Post by jmei on Sept 26, 2013 10:55:27 GMT -5
Cano discussion moved here.
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Post by nebraska4sox on Sept 26, 2013 11:16:28 GMT -5
First time I've ever heard about a player asking for a lot of money. It will be the first time someone has given it to them. To be less sarcastic lets wait until its actually the off season to laugh at all these insane rumors that we'll hear once the off season starts. You know like there always are. I agree, but it was very shocking to see this as I am eating my breakfast at work this morning. Its almost like he never fired Scott Boras
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Post by nebraska4sox on Sept 26, 2013 11:22:00 GMT -5
Can someone remind me, are their draft pick forfeitures tied to going over the lux tax threshold in the new CBA, or is it just more money than before? If a team goes over the luxury tax by more than 15% they can lose their next two first round picks.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 26, 2013 12:14:41 GMT -5
More Cano:
@ken_Rosenthal #Yankees’ initial offer before season believed similar to Wright’s 8/$138M.
Seems like they may be a bit of gap regarding openings here. They'll work it out. Oh, and til they do, JayZ basically owns the Yankees - at least if the Yanks believe they have to re-sign Cano to retain some shred of credibility with their fans.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 26, 2013 12:16:06 GMT -5
Can someone remind me, are their draft pick forfeitures tied to going over the lux tax threshold in the new CBA, or is it just more money than before? If a team goes over the luxury tax by more than 15% they can lose their next two first round picks. Me thinks that, until recently, that team doesn't care about 1st round picks.
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Post by nebraska4sox on Sept 26, 2013 12:42:34 GMT -5
JayZ basically owns the State of New YorkIf Jay-Z is able to get this contract done for Cano, and his involvement in the Nets last year (until he sold his portion of the team) He will own New York their fans and their athletes
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