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Not much, but a start: MLB raises minor league salaries
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 14, 2020 18:56:41 GMT -5
apnews.com/1512f5a4cf9a65f16a2641244e0c00fdStill not much. Breaks down to this using a 22-week full season, 12-week NYPL season, and 9 week GCL season. AAA: $15,400 AA: $13,200 A: $11,000 SS-A: $4,800 Rk: $3,600 Still atrocious and unacceptable, but better I guess?
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 14, 2020 19:29:52 GMT -5
It might allow for what, a better grade of frozen pizza? This is a sad statement about the way ownership perceives the talent. I understand that the chances of any given individual having a reasonable career in MLB is small, but this is no way to develop that potential. All of these wages could easily be tripled and it wouldn't put a dent in the money for the next stadium parking lot re-paving.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Feb 14, 2020 19:34:02 GMT -5
Yeah it’s better. It’s way better. Still atrocious as you said. They’re all getting at least a 30% pay raise, which is a considerable increase. Obviously the pay system needs a complete rethinking, but they moved the needle.
“Perfect” is the enemy of “good”.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 14, 2020 20:06:56 GMT -5
Maybe this is why ticket prices went up? Perhaps ownership wants to push some of the cost onto the consumer?
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 15, 2020 7:04:47 GMT -5
Maybe this is why ticket prices went up? Perhaps ownership wants to push some of the cost onto the consumer? Are you kidding? Ticket prices are always just as expensive as the market is willing to bear, regardless of costs. And this barely moves their costs at all.
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Post by cdj on Feb 15, 2020 7:58:49 GMT -5
It’s going to have to start with an organization breaking the mold and realizing that it would be unbelievable for their culture to pay these guys at least something they can live off of. Doesn’t even have to be a lot....just more than this
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Post by Addam603 on Feb 15, 2020 8:42:04 GMT -5
So this is how the math adds up in terms of additional money spent by the organization (active players on the roster times increase in pay per week times weeks in the season).
(35 x 110) x 9=34,650 for the GCL
(35 x 110) x 12=46,200 for Lowell
(50 x 210) x 22=231,000 for Greenville and Salem
(25 x 250) x 22=137,500 for Portland
(25 x 198) x 22=108,900 for Pawtucket
That’s $558,250 spent cumulatively to increase the pay of every minor leaguer in the system. Even if you add in the increased number of players that aren’t on the active roster, it’s not going to move the needle that much.
The major league minimum salary is $563,500. So the teams are spending roughly the same amount of money to increase their minor league players salaries as they would on a single major league minimum salary. This is positive PR for the league while costing them basically nothing. While it’s a big deal for the individual players (maybe they can split their food between 3 guys instead of 8 now), it’s still a joke at this point.
Tone deaf bologna from the Mets
To be fair, it is an improvement. But when you’re starting as low as minor league players are, it’s tough to celebrate an improvement this dismal.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 15, 2020 10:20:49 GMT -5
It's New York. The Mets probably have Pee Wee Herman working on their public relations.
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Post by Addam603 on Feb 15, 2020 10:27:29 GMT -5
It's New York. The Mets probably have Pee Wee Herman working on their public relations. True. The Mets are a special kind of sh*t show. But do you honestly believe the other teams are all that much better?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 15, 2020 10:31:26 GMT -5
It just struck me that players in extended must get paid. You can't expect those guys to live on just a per diem.
AAA: $15,400 AA: $13,200 A: $11,000 SS-A or Rk + XST: $8,800 SS-A: $4,800 Rk: $3,600
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 15, 2020 11:01:58 GMT -5
Maybe this is why ticket prices went up? Perhaps ownership wants to push some of the cost onto the consumer? Are you kidding? Ticket prices are always just as expensive as the market is willing to bear, regardless of costs. And this barely moves their costs at all. I could be wrong, but I thought the price increase wasn't substantial? It's just irritating that they're raising prices while cutting costs and see this as a potential reasoning. They knew they were going to have a new expense and raised costs. Maybe this doesn't relate in anyway. Not saying it to justify it either.
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Post by p23w on Feb 15, 2020 11:36:00 GMT -5
Minor league games are all about the in between innings entertainment factor. That and the food serves. The game on the field is all about the players trying to implement what well meaning coaches tell them to work on. They call it player development. Sometimes it helps, sometimes not. The players worth watching are the one's with incredible natural physical skills (any of the 5 tools) and the ones who figure out what works for them in a timely manner. Sometimes I think young players are stunted in their development by having to much information presented to them. Some players with real talent take years (too long) to figure it out. For many those years may be better spent pursuing another career. Then there is the woman thing. Whole'nother story.
I'm glad the minor league players got a raise. I just wish more would realize sooner when it is time to move on. There are many stories in this not so glamorous narrative.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 15, 2020 11:56:53 GMT -5
Do players get free housing and are they fed at the facilities on top of their per diem?
Asking because I don’t know not because I’m suggesting it offsets the money.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 15, 2020 12:10:10 GMT -5
1) They don't get paid during extended. Un-effing-real. Just per diem.
2) Players in Lowell get put up at the dorms. A bunch of players in Fort Myers stay at a specific hotel, but I'm not sure if that on the team's dime or subsidized or what.
3) There's food at the facility. I know they at least get lunch. They get a $20 per diem as well.
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Post by soxin8 on Feb 15, 2020 14:53:09 GMT -5
This is what make me root for players like Trevor Kelley who signed for $1,000 to at least make it to the majors for a couple major league checks.
It is a good thing to speak up and advocate for them.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 15, 2020 15:47:43 GMT -5
Are you kidding? Ticket prices are always just as expensive as the market is willing to bear, regardless of costs. And this barely moves their costs at all. I could be wrong, but I thought the price increase wasn't substantial? It's just irritating that they're raising prices while cutting costs and see this as a potential reasoning. They knew they were going to have a new expense and raised costs. Maybe this doesn't relate in anyway. Not saying it to justify it either. Every business sells their goods or services for as much money as they possibly can get, regardless of how much it actually costs to do business. I'm not sure how to be any clearer than that. That is the way it always has been and always will be. Maybe what they tell people is based on making them more willing to pay more, but they know damn well how many people are going to buy tickets at every price point. And if not enough people buy enough tickets, they start giving them away for half price and have all kinds of "specials". But they will always milk customers for every dime they can get whether they're losing money or making 99% profit.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 16, 2020 6:52:03 GMT -5
I don’t think they are related. They are cutting costs to avoid a tax and penalties. Owners like to avoid things like this, not just because it cuts into profits but because it’s inefficient and really teams have proven you can do it better. So if you’re making money but being inefficient doing it then you’re not really happy with your operation, knowing it could be better. They should NOT have raised prices this year though. They misread things, there are going to be a lot of empty seats. Unless of course they surprise and everything goes well and they compete (possible).
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 16, 2020 6:58:09 GMT -5
I still think teams would make more money if they invested salary and other resources into the minor leagues. Devers didn’t get on a nutrition plan until before last season. How is this even possible in 2020? Every guy from the day they are drafted should be working with fitness and nutrition professionals as well as their coaches. The facilities should have the means and supplements provided for the time they are there etc. These things are obviously expensive but a low percentage of the budget of these operations and a drop in the bucket compared to the savings of turning out better players considering how much more value you get from a good player in their first 6 years than you pay them. Christ, imagine you get 1 extra starter in a 6 year period than you would have otherwise. That’d pay for the investment 10 times over, at least. Plus, you might be able actually attract more people to the sport if they aren’t living as peasants compared to other sports.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 16, 2020 17:47:15 GMT -5
The ticket price increase is related to demand and demand only. It's not related to this or any other cost to the organization.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 17, 2020 0:15:44 GMT -5
You guys go to spring Training right? What do the Red Sox serve the player? Can they not get more food if they want it?
Those Mets tweets are all the place from two plates of pasta for 25 players to complaining about a sandwich, apple, goyurt, and a nature valley bar because it doesn't have more meat. To not allowing players to make a salad. I'm assuming this is not the case for the Red Sox?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 17, 2020 8:52:13 GMT -5
The ticket price increase is related to demand and demand only. It's not related to this or any other cost to the organization. I can't imagine demand is up after last season and the team getting worse this off-season, but I'm not involved in financials with the organization and it's complete speculation and entirely baseless on my part. More on the point, because of how bad their pay is, one of the great things about seeing a AAAA kid make the roster in an emergency situation is that they've earned free healthcare for life. It sucks their families can't use it, but at least that's one less concern for them. The cherry on top is getting extended time to get a fatter check. I hope someone like Joe DeCarlo gets his cup of coffee for this very reason.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 17, 2020 16:18:12 GMT -5
The ticket price increase is related to demand and demand only. It's not related to this or any other cost to the organization. I can't imagine demand is up after last season and the team getting worse this off-season, but I'm not involved in financials with the organization and it's complete speculation and entirely baseless on my part. More on the point, because of how bad their pay is, one of the great things about seeing a AAAA kid make the roster in an emergency situation is that they've earned free healthcare for life. It sucks their families can't use it, but at least that's one less concern for them. The cherry on top is getting extended time to get a fatter check. I hope someone like Joe DeCarlo gets his cup of coffee for this very reason. Free healthcare for life is a myth. You get to buy into the plan, I believe, but it's not free.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 17, 2020 16:31:43 GMT -5
I can't imagine demand is up after last season and the team getting worse this off-season, but I'm not involved in financials with the organization and it's complete speculation and entirely baseless on my part. More on the point, because of how bad their pay is, one of the great things about seeing a AAAA kid make the roster in an emergency situation is that they've earned free healthcare for life. It sucks their families can't use it, but at least that's one less concern for them. The cherry on top is getting extended time to get a fatter check. I hope someone like Joe DeCarlo gets his cup of coffee for this very reason. Free healthcare for life is a myth. You get to buy into the plan, I believe, but it's not free. Really? That was like the one thing I really applauded MLB on. I'd like to know more details about this.
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 17, 2020 16:33:49 GMT -5
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Post by manfred on Feb 17, 2020 18:32:08 GMT -5
I have a dumb question, so go gentle: who pays the minor leaguers? Since minor league teams often have their own owners, is the cost shared between the team and the parent org? Does Henry pay down the whole line in the Sox org?
That has no bearing on the justice issue. I’m just curious.
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