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Post by soxcentral on Mar 3, 2020 12:43:10 GMT -5
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that there are players we currently aren't paying much attention to that will become valuable contributors this year. Maybe that's one guy, maybe its 3 or 4. If it's 3 or 4+ this team will still be competitive even potentially without Sale. With the signings Bloom has made, the intriguing 2nd tier young arms we already had, plus the payroll flexibility we now have to make other smart moves in-season, I'm actually optimistic this season is going to be an interesting one to follow. Sometimes its better to be the underdog, its more fun. Dude, they still have the 5th highest payroll, play in a huge market, and have top 3 ticket prices, they'll never be considered an underdog They're projected by most to be a 3rd place team, right? So if they finish 2nd or even 1st that would make them unexpectedly successful. So not underdogs in the true sense of the term, I guess.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Mar 3, 2020 13:02:51 GMT -5
Dude, they still have the 5th highest payroll, play in a huge market, and have top 3 ticket prices, they'll never be considered an underdog They're projected by most to be a 3rd place team, right? So if they finish 2nd or even 1st that would make them unexpectedly successful. So not underdogs in the true sense of the term, I guess. I'd say the Sox and the Jays are going to be neck and neck. Vlad Jr Bichette and Biggio are no joke. Going to be interesting.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 3, 2020 13:13:33 GMT -5
Assuming the worst, this further justifies the Betts trade.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 3, 2020 13:20:44 GMT -5
They're projected by most to be a 3rd place team, right? So if they finish 2nd or even 1st that would make them unexpectedly successful. So not underdogs in the true sense of the term, I guess. I'd say the Sox and the Jays are going to be neck and neck. Vlad Jr Bichette and Biggio are no joke. Going to be interesting. If Sale is gone the Sox are probably a sub-.500 team because the guys that are replacing Sale's spot in the rotation are probably less than replacement level caliber. The bullpen is iffy and the offense isn't potent enough to make up for the fact that their rotation would be very short. If Sale is gone, this team could definitely free-fall. Nothing kills a team, as we saw last year, as bad as starting pitching get bombed daily. Last year we waited for the rotation to stabilize and it kind of did for awhile, but this season it's E-Rod, hope that Eovaldi is healthy and effective and hope that Perez isn't as bad as he's been the past couple of years. Then you're looking at two openers/bullpen games. Hard to win that way, especially when the bullpen isn't exactly considered stellar. I would guess that Ryan Weber and Brian Johnson wind up as the "bulk" relievers who come in after the openers start the game (I'm guessing guys like Mazza and Hernandez would be openers?)
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Mar 3, 2020 13:27:13 GMT -5
It's just a Mata of time !!!!!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 3, 2020 13:28:32 GMT -5
It's just a Mata of time !!!!! Yup, we'll see him and Houck sooner or later.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Mar 3, 2020 13:31:02 GMT -5
I am gonna hold out that this isn't a big issue for now....because GDmit.....this stinks for Chris.
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Post by dmaineah on Mar 3, 2020 13:48:28 GMT -5
Sale is possibly hurt?
I’M SHOCKED
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Post by jdb on Mar 3, 2020 13:48:41 GMT -5
Hoping for the best here but it looks bad. If he’s out until next all star break where does that leave us an competing for a WC and hopefully getting hot? It could lead to an interesting deadline. Id hate to even think about Xander but with an opt out in three season if we aren’t competitive for two of them would it make sense to listen?
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Post by dmaineah on Mar 3, 2020 14:03:43 GMT -5
If only there were some signs pointing to a possible injury, maybe Bloom & the Red Sox could have planned for it
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Post by patford on Mar 3, 2020 14:04:51 GMT -5
Assuming the worst, this further justifies the Betts trade. Except that they should have kept Price and moved Sale.
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Post by nomar on Mar 3, 2020 14:44:20 GMT -5
If only there were some signs pointing to a possible injury, maybe Bloom & the Red Sox could have planned for it How does Bloom have anything to do with his injury? And if anything, don’t his moves show that they were expecting to be uncompetitive?
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Post by chrisfromnc on Mar 3, 2020 15:26:36 GMT -5
Nate and ERod and pray for rain? Doesn't rhyme but this makes me cranky and I don't care.
Tanner Houck, a door may be swinging wide open for you. Walk through it, grab the game by the balls and squeeze.
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Post by dmaineah on Mar 3, 2020 15:44:56 GMT -5
If only there were some signs pointing to a possible injury, maybe Bloom & the Red Sox could have planned for it How does Bloom have anything to do with his injury? And if anything, don’t his moves show that they were expecting to be uncompetitive? He doesn’t & I didn’t say he did. Are you just making stuff up? And if anything, I think most of his moves so far shows he is incompetent (but that’s for a different thread)
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Mar 3, 2020 15:53:19 GMT -5
How does Bloom have anything to do with his injury? And if anything, don’t his moves show that they were expecting to be uncompetitive? He doesn’t & I didn’t say he did. Are you just making stuff up? And if anything, I think most of his moves so far shows he is incompetent (but that’s for a different thread) You literally just said Bloom could have planned for it, which is, by definition, having something to do with it. Also, almost all of his moves have been at worst not super impactful, very few of them have been bad. If you're unenthused by some of the moves or upset that he hasn't blown money on a higher profile player then I'd disagree with you but let you be entitled to your opinion. But to somehow try to spin it as he's incompetent? That's just completely senseless. I don't know if him and JBJ picked on you in school or something but you gotta take a step back from whatever vendetta you have against them and try using some reasoning or at the very least basic common sense when you attempt to analyze this stuff.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 3, 2020 15:58:35 GMT -5
Well once JBJ is gone, we already know who is to blame for every single loss.
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Post by dmaineah on Mar 3, 2020 16:23:24 GMT -5
He doesn’t & I didn’t say he did. Are you just making stuff up? And if anything, I think most of his moves so far shows he is incompetent (but that’s for a different thread) You literally just said Bloom could have planned for it, which is, by definition, having something to do with it. Also, almost all of his moves have been at worst not super impactful, very few of them have been bad. If you're unenthused by some of the moves or upset that he hasn't blown money on a higher profile player then I'd disagree with you but let you be entitled to your opinion. But to somehow try to spin it as he's incompetent? That's just completely senseless. I don't know if him and JBJ picked on you in school or something but you gotta take a step back from whatever vendetta you have against them and try using some reasoning or at the very least basic common sense when you attempt to analyze this stuff. Ridiculous
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Mar 3, 2020 16:36:40 GMT -5
FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-- (feel free to join in, people) .... tile to agonize over it. Stuff happens. So let's really tank the season, look like the O's for once, and get the first draft slot next year. Ya wanna rebuild the farm system? There ya go.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Mar 3, 2020 16:37:25 GMT -5
You literally just said Bloom could have planned for it, which is, by definition, having something to do with it. Also, almost all of his moves have been at worst not super impactful, very few of them have been bad. If you're unenthused by some of the moves or upset that he hasn't blown money on a higher profile player then I'd disagree with you but let you be entitled to your opinion. But to somehow try to spin it as he's incompetent? That's just completely senseless. I don't know if him and JBJ picked on you in school or something but you gotta take a step back from whatever vendetta you have against them and try using some reasoning or at the very least basic common sense when you attempt to analyze this stuff. Ridiculous Care to back up that eloquent and thoughtful reply with anything of substance? I'd be extremely interested to hear your rationale to how in just a few months this well-regarded baseball executive with experience spearheading one of the best front offices in baseball could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is incompetent.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Mar 3, 2020 16:38:58 GMT -5
FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-- (feel free to join in, people) .... tile to agonize over it. Stuff happens. So let's really tank the season, look like the O's for once, and get the first draft slot next year. Ya wanna rebuild the farm system? There ya go. Major props because I laughed out loud at that one. Well done. I agree that it's just "one of those things". This was always the risk. But I don't think this somehow justifies the Mookie trade even more.
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Mar 3, 2020 17:04:07 GMT -5
Well once JBJ is gone, we already know who is to blame for every single loss. Oh god it was always going to be Verdugo. Shank must have several prewritten columns complaining about every little thing the guy will do.
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Post by sarasoxer on Mar 3, 2020 17:26:55 GMT -5
Everyone chill out. Pneumonia turns into Elbow Pain for lots of people. True enough. Very few people know this so kudos. We weren't going anywhere anyway so I'm not bummed as if we were going to compete. If he needs surgery, git r dun and share a hospital room with Severino. Sale would miss this year and part of next. We'll need him in 2022 when we are back fighting for a title. In the meantime, we'll get higher picks, more international money and claw our way back with perhaps a still lower payroll. We'll then be ready to pounce. I was at a Braves-Rays game today with a men's lunch group and talked with a knowledgeable Rays fan who said the Sox "stole" the brains of the Ray's organization. In Bloom I trust....
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Post by dirtdog on Mar 3, 2020 17:28:52 GMT -5
If it is TJ surgery, might as well shed all salary possible and play the core you see as part of the team beyond this year and even next. Trade Moreland, Pillar, JDM, JBJ, etc and reload through youth for 2021 and beyond. Get the kids experience and see what you have. Use savings to lock up Devers, Edrod, etc my thoughts exactly. Let's see Bloom reshape the roster and payroll. Why not? As this roster stands it looks like they will score runs but not the pitching to contend. Henry owns the local media a d has built up enough good will for a transition year.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 3, 2020 18:33:45 GMT -5
Assuming the worst, this further justifies the Betts trade. Except that they should have kept Price and moved Sale. Assuming that was even an option.
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Post by patford on Mar 3, 2020 19:37:12 GMT -5
Except that they should have kept Price and moved Sale. Assuming that was even an option. Who wouldn't want a guy that is seven feet tall and weighs 87 pounds.
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