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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Mar 3, 2020 19:58:46 GMT -5
Any of you guys want to revisit your medical credentials on this ? That was highly entertaining last time.
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Post by sarasoxer on Mar 3, 2020 20:26:26 GMT -5
Any of you guys want to revisit your medical credentials on this ? That was highly entertaining last time. Yes. We don't know what we don't know on Sale. What we do know is that without a once effective and efficient Porcello and a Price 'I've learned to pitch effectively w/o overpowering velocity', we are already down a couple of quarts. What we do know is that Sale has been injured over the past 2 years and now has a sore elbow. He throws slingshot with effort and given perceived emphasis on strikeouts, has thrown a huge amount of pitches. It would be no surprise if he needed surgery. Get it now if needed. We don't have 3 ready replacements in this worse case scenario. The Sox need to sell tickets so they are not going to jettison other productive players near term. But come trade deadline, I suspect a JBJ, JDM, Moreland and perhaps others can be had for prospects. IMO, that is the roadmap... Let's not be rose-glassed myopic. I look for us making the way back in 2022-23.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Mar 3, 2020 20:40:01 GMT -5
Any of you guys want to revisit your medical credentials on this ? That was highly entertaining last time. I was happy to take a victory lap when the reports came out that he was two weeks behind because that's exactly what I was worried about but you can't really make a "direct" correlation between this and the illness, could've been just a freak thing. Either way, it sucks.
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Post by borisman on Mar 4, 2020 7:10:52 GMT -5
He should have had the surgery last year. The injection he had didn't give me much hope he'd return healthy. At least he would have been ready for 2021. Now this. Very disappointing. We all know he would have been a walking time bomb anyways. See you in August of 2021.
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Post by Addam603 on Mar 4, 2020 10:00:52 GMT -5
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Post by manfred on Mar 4, 2020 10:00:53 GMT -5
I’m nervous, but let’s remember we called Price a time bomb four years ago, and he is still surgery free.
Wait...and...see.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 4, 2020 10:06:54 GMT -5
He should have had the surgery last year. The injection he had didn't give me much hope he'd return healthy. At least he would have been ready for 2021. Now this. Very disappointing. We all know he would have been a walking time bomb anyways. See you in August of 2021. I wonder if Anderson Espinoza agrees that he should just get TJS whether he needs it or not.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 4, 2020 10:41:47 GMT -5
As far as I know, they followed the recommendations of Dr. Andrews. A wild guess on my part is that none of the posters here are more qualified to make a recommendation.
Everything else is just poster BS.
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Post by cdj on Mar 4, 2020 11:10:23 GMT -5
Not overly optimistic about this
Gonna be an interesting season
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Post by sarasoxer on Mar 4, 2020 13:28:22 GMT -5
I’m nervous, but let’s remember we called Price a time bomb four years ago, and he is still surgery free. Wait...and...see. And Tanaka....
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Post by atzar on Mar 4, 2020 14:32:46 GMT -5
What a brutal offseason, man.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Mar 4, 2020 14:45:51 GMT -5
I can't link it unfortunately, but there is a Globe article from Julian McWilliams saying the Sox are seeking a third opinion on the MRI results. Team doctors are apparently the first opinion and James Andrews is the second opinion. They are sending the images to Dr. Neal ElAttrache in Los Angles. It'll be at least a day before he renders his opinion.
The Roenicke quote in the article is, "We want to make sure we get everyone's opinion on this. We want to make sure we get this right."
There is no discussion of what Dr. Andrews opinion actually was.
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Post by gerry on Mar 4, 2020 16:33:52 GMT -5
What a brutal offseason, man. Have to agree: Cora, Mookie, Price, Brockstar, Porcello, Leon (20% of the WS 25 man roster plus it’s manager) among the regulars so far. XB, Beni, MM dealing with injuries along with Verdugo. The big question surrounding Sale, which leads to critical questions about the rotation. More big questions surrounding the NYC-led “scandal”. Exhausting.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 4, 2020 17:11:09 GMT -5
It's the perfect example as to why we shouldn't have gone all in this year. I probably had more hope than I should have after Price seemed to just bounce back. I was almost certain he would have needed surgery after the horrible reports on him.
We really needed one if not two more starters before this news. Now you have Eovaldi and Perez as your 2/3. With a huge hole at 4 and 5.
On the bright side we'll get to see a lot of young guys play and if Bloom is smart he could restock the system with trades.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 4, 2020 17:14:58 GMT -5
He should have had the surgery last year. The injection he had didn't give me much hope he'd return healthy. At least he would have been ready for 2021. Now this. Very disappointing. We all know he would have been a walking time bomb anyways. See you in August of 2021. I wonder if Anderson Espinoza agrees that he should just get TJS whether he needs it or not. Depends on what the doctor's opinion was and whether or not we truthfully know. If Andrews says, "there's a 50/50 chance you'll need it. You can choose rest and see if that helps or opt to get it now" then I think players facing a 50% or greater should heed the doctor's advice and just perform the very highly successful surgery. Still, we don't have any indication so it's not really fair to say that he should have gotten it. It does make me question the doctor as to what has changed and what makes him potentially need surgery now instead of before? Perhaps it just simply didn't heal as expected.
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Post by Smittyw on Mar 4, 2020 17:45:27 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 4, 2020 18:36:25 GMT -5
I wonder if Anderson Espinoza agrees that he should just get TJS whether he needs it or not. Depends on what the doctor's opinion was and whether or not we truthfully know. If Andrews says, "there's a 50/50 chance you'll need it. You can choose rest and see if that helps or opt to get it now" then I think players facing a 50% or greater should heed the doctor's advice and just perform the very highly successful surgery. Still, we don't have any indication so it's not really fair to say that he should have gotten it. It does make me question the doctor as to what has changed and what makes him potentially need surgery now instead of before? Perhaps it just simply didn't heal as expected. The point is that you always defer getting surgery because it's not always a given that you'll ever be the same again.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 4, 2020 21:29:12 GMT -5
Depends on what the doctor's opinion was and whether or not we truthfully know. If Andrews says, "there's a 50/50 chance you'll need it. You can choose rest and see if that helps or opt to get it now" then I think players facing a 50% or greater should heed the doctor's advice and just perform the very highly successful surgery. Still, we don't have any indication so it's not really fair to say that he should have gotten it. It does make me question the doctor as to what has changed and what makes him potentially need surgery now instead of before? Perhaps it just simply didn't heal as expected. The point is that you always defer getting surgery because it's not always a given that you'll ever be the same again. If it's a coin toss I'd go for three surgery given the success rate. It seems more career damaging resting and then needing surgery. Even the successful guys aren't ever quite as good since they make an adjustment.
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Post by ericmvan on Mar 4, 2020 21:34:21 GMT -5
The point is that you always defer getting surgery because it's not always a given that you'll ever be the same again. If it's a coin toss I'd go for three surgery given the success rate. It seems more career damaging resting and then needing surgery. Even the successful guys aren't ever quite as good since they make an adjustment. That's how it seems to you. They actually have all the data about waiting vs. surgery, and the surgery before-and-after. And this is probably a textbook case of an instance where nobody's sense of what seems to happen could be remotely trustworthy.
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Post by dirtdog on Mar 4, 2020 23:29:45 GMT -5
I find the words at this point not particularly comforting.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Mar 5, 2020 6:09:32 GMT -5
Guessing the most severe thing is another shot of that plasma enriched platelets he had in September, maybe only rest.
I'm with Phil on the blogger medical expertise.. I'd rather go with what the Sox are doing than take a survey of fans, just like listen to any part of the media who give opinions on pretty much any topic. Henry is the guy with 150m invested here, not individual fans and it's about time ppl remember that.
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Post by mantush on Mar 5, 2020 7:48:14 GMT -5
I'm getting the sense that there's disagreement between the Sox and Sale about how to proceed. Sale doesn't strike me as the type to want to sit out a whole year (or longer).
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 5, 2020 7:58:06 GMT -5
This has been an entertaining thread to read. Of course the news is not so entertaining.
On the bright side the Sox have some talent to build around if the news on Sale is not good, scratch that, their is no bright side. This will put the Sox into a tail spin that will most likely last not 1 but 2 years. They will most likely be decent for a few but not contenders again til 2022 if Bloom does a good job and the farm can produce some talent. Oh well, shat happens we still have 4 WS trophies this decade to gloat over.
If the news is bad who do they sell off for the future, their really isn't much. JD Martinez is about all I see that would have real value, Workman maybe if he gets off to a good start. Barnes to a lesser degree. The others are still young enough to be good and building blocks in a few years or they don't have much value.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Mar 5, 2020 8:14:32 GMT -5
Well if this doesn’t reinforce the decision to trade mookie instead of hold on to him “for another run” then I’m not sure what does As long as we're playing this game, it also yet again goes to show why a Betts contract isn't particularly risky relative to the other available options. Oh my god, the Betts contract might be bad in five years. Cool, the Sale extension is looking like it could be dead money from day one. Wow, great job avoiding those risky long-term deals.
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Post by jclmontana on Mar 5, 2020 8:28:43 GMT -5
Well if this doesn’t reinforce the decision to trade mookie instead of hold on to him “for another run” then I’m not sure what does As long as we're playing this game, it also yet again goes to show why a Betts contract isn't particularly risky relative to the other available options. Oh my god, the Betts contract might be bad in five years. Cool, the Sale extension is looking like it could be dead money from day one. Wow, great job avoiding those risky long-term deals. Nice troll job.
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