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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 29, 2020 4:10:42 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 31, 2020 21:57:05 GMT -5
Seems like the MLBPA's offer is a non-starter (just like MLB's). Hopefully they can find some common ground this week.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 1, 2020 8:42:41 GMT -5
That's the problem with MLB coming in with such an outrageous offer - it almost forces MLBPA to do the same to set the boundaries of the negotiations and try and game the rough midpoint they can hopefully get to.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 1, 2020 10:58:01 GMT -5
The lead-up to CBA negotiations wasn't going to be easy in any case. With the owners and the players now having to deal with a serious loss of revenue, the tough talk has gotten tougher. I hope those are just the initial positions.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 1, 2020 16:12:17 GMT -5
ADD: the proposal is expected to be around 50 or so games. I expect the MLBPA will want more games, but at least this gets them closer to a deal.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 1, 2020 17:38:49 GMT -5
ADD: the proposal is expected to be around 50 or so games. I expect the MLBPA will want more games, but at least this gets them closer to a deal. I think from a Red Sox fan's standpoint this would be not too far from ideal. The less games the bigger chance for flukes and the bigger chance that the Sox lack of pitching would be fully exposed. Plus the Sox get under the luxury tax and maybe, maybe, they take a crack at bringing back Mookie after the shortened season. I mean, honestly, how legit does a 50 games season really feel? On the flipside, I mean, even if the Sox go 18-32 or whatever, is it really going to be bothersome? They'd get a higher draft pick in 2021 and have money and more impetus to improve the team for 2021. So either way it can benefit the Red Sox to just get through this shortened season. I mean if you're going to have a rebuilding type season and Sale is rehabbing, might as well do it in a severely shortened season. I would think they should meet in the middle and play an 81 game regular season?
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 2, 2020 8:06:09 GMT -5
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 2, 2020 9:25:35 GMT -5
Don't know if this has been posted. Craig Edwards at FanGraphs with the details of MLB's most recent proposal: blogs.fangraphs.com/examining-the-economics-of-mlbs-latest-proposal-to-the-players/It looks to be a serious effort to "drive a wedge between the players", a point Edwards makes in a second post. It uses a sliding scale to penalize the highest earners the most. I'm not surprised the owners would come up with something like this but as a baseball fan, it is deeply disappointing.
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Post by bcsox on Jun 3, 2020 13:45:48 GMT -5
a 50 game season will, to me, feel illegitimate. However, I think it can hep the Sox in numerous ways.
A. I think the Sox starting rotation is below average. I think that would hinder them greatly in a 162 game season. I am not sure you can hide it in an 81 game season, but in a 50 game season, you just need the team to really have a hot month. Most teams get streaky for one month at a time during the season. Not out of the realm that the Sox can get hot out of the gate and find their way through 50 games.
B. I think a 50 game season greatly increases the chances of a fluke team making a run, and also some of the teams who would be better over 162 game season, start slowly and cant recover.
C. On the negative side, a 50 game season again will feel weird, so if the Sox start out say 3-10, will anyone around here care that much if they flop altogether and say go 12-38. Helps for the future.
D. Not sure on how they will handle this, but if they really like Arauz, but relaise he is maybe a year or two away, it is easier to hide him for 50 games especially if they have access to a taxi squad than 81 or 162. Do we know if he will get full credit for a season if he does the full 50 on the Sox roster.
E. the hard part is that I assume Bloom wants to shape this roster in his image. If we have a 50 or 81 game season, I dont imagine they will have a trade deadline. Do we think it is possible that they say no trades are allowed at all as it wouldnt be very good optics trading someone in the middle of a pandemic? I hoe there is a trade component, because if the Sox are bad, I want them to explore moving JD, Evoladi if healthy, JBJ, and whoever else Bloom seems fit to move.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 3, 2020 15:42:49 GMT -5
Interesting thoughts.
FWIW, I don't think stashing Arauz is a problem with a 30-man roster. They should have sufficient space.
Also, I don't think there's been any discussion that they wouldn't allow trades. We'll see though.
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I'll be honest, the Sox get absolutely boned by the temporary realignment. In addition to the Yankees and Rays, they now also have the Nats, Braves, Phillies and Mets. It'll be fun to see the Astros and Dodgers beat up on each other, but there's not a whole lot else happening out west, while the Central will be the Twins and White Sox beating up on everyone, probably. The Red Sox will have to get really lucky to do much this year.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 3, 2020 15:48:29 GMT -5
Interesting thoughts. FWIW, I don't think stashing Arauz is a problem with a 30-man roster. They should have sufficient space. Also, I don't think there's been any discussion that they wouldn't allow trades. We'll see though. ----- I'll be honest, the Sox get absolutely boned by the temporary realignment. In addition to the Yankees and Rays, they now also have the Nats, Braves, Phillies and Mets. It'll be fun to see the Astros and Dodgers beat up on each other, but there's not a whole lot else happening out west, while the Central will be the Twins and White Sox beating up on everyone, probably. The Red Sox will have to get really lucky to do much this year. If they're not going to do well, 2020 is the perfect time to be lousy. The season should be quite brief. Better to watch 50 games of struggle than 162. They'd still get the better draft position in 2021. Whatever they do, just don't go 25-25. It doesn't accomplish much.
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Post by fanofredsox on Jul 29, 2021 10:51:48 GMT -5
I wonder how much Covid is going to affect the trade deadline, or even future games. I’d hate to have to fly into Florida right now to play a game (or anywhere south).
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Post by gerry on Jul 29, 2021 11:45:38 GMT -5
I wonder how much Covid is going to affect the trade deadline, or even future games. I’d hate to have to fly into Florida right now to play a game (or anywhere south). The Trop is an indoor facility, but spacious and with a high ceiling. I wonder how often the air is exchanged over a 3-4 hour period. I wonder if masks will return to the dugout or stands. Is that even legal with this blinded Governor. It’s a series for the ALE lead, so how full will it be for each of the games. It is never full but about half the seats will be Sox fans, at least judging from the times I have been there. I hope they err on the side of caution. The postseason is so tantalizingly close.
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Post by incandenza on Nov 20, 2021 12:20:49 GMT -5
Seems like it'll be a pretty substantial disadvantage for the Red Sox next season if Chris Sale isn't able to play in Toronto, along with the other higher-than-average number of unvaccinated Red Sox players:
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 20, 2021 12:34:43 GMT -5
Interesting thoughts. FWIW, I don't think stashing Arauz is a problem with a 30-man roster. They should have sufficient space. Also, I don't think there's been any discussion that they wouldn't allow trades. We'll see though. ----- I'll be honest, the Sox get absolutely boned by the temporary realignment. In addition to the Yankees and Rays, they now also have the Nats, Braves, Phillies and Mets. It'll be fun to see the Astros and Dodgers beat up on each other, but there's not a whole lot else happening out west, while the Central will be the Twins and White Sox beating up on everyone, probably. The Red Sox will have to get really lucky to do much this year. If they're not going to do well, 2020 is the perfect time to be lousy. The season should be quite brief. Better to watch 50 games of struggle than 162. They'd still get the better draft position in 2021. Whatever they do, just don't go 25-25. It doesn't accomplish much. This aged well.
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