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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 16, 2020 12:59:08 GMT -5
That's all very relevant. Given that it's also time for CBA re-negotiation, that crystal ball makes it even murkier.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 16, 2020 13:04:17 GMT -5
Part of the reason it might take that long is the sheer amount of negotiation that needs to take place on issues already brought up in this thread. That alone could take weeks and is hard to do without knowing precisely when the season will start.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 16, 2020 17:11:28 GMT -5
Part of the reason it might take that long is the sheer amount of negotiation that needs to take place on issues already brought up in this thread. That alone could take weeks and is hard to do without knowing precisely when the season will start. Very valid, but the spread in African nations is curtailing hope that we can contain this thing any time soon. I think people are expecting it to slow in summer weather, but that doesn't seem likely. I think they keep putting up dates as a target goal and that it's just purely speculative wishful thinking. I'm beginning to believe we're not going to have a season.
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Post by kmann on Mar 16, 2020 19:37:29 GMT -5
Hi everyone, I am a long-time visitor to these discussion boards but rarely post unless I need a question answered, so I would appreciate your help. What if the season was cancelled completely or they played a 80 game season? Would Mookie still accumulate one year of service time and be a free agent this winter? I am not sure if this issue still needs to be negotiated between the players and owners or it is already clearly stated in the players' contracts. And similarly, if the season is cancelled, I guess 2020 does not count as the "reset" year for the Red Sox for luxury tax purposes, but if they play a shortened season then it does count as the reset year? Thanks for your help.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 16, 2020 19:44:05 GMT -5
Hi everyone, I am a long-time visitor to these discussion boards but rarely post unless I need a question answered, so I would appreciate your help. What if the season was cancelled completely or they played a 80 game season? Would Mookie still accumulate one year of service time and be a free agent this winter? I am not sure if this issue still needs to be negotiated between the players and owners or it is already clearly stated in the players' contracts. And similarly, if the season is cancelled, I guess 2020 does not count as the "reset" year for the Red Sox for luxury tax purposes, but if they play a shortened season then it does count as the reset year? Thanks for your help. I asked all these questions earlier and I guess the answer is, everything is unknown as we head into uncharted waters.
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Post by incandenza on Mar 16, 2020 20:11:35 GMT -5
Hi everyone, I am a long-time visitor to these discussion boards but rarely post unless I need a question answered, so I would appreciate your help. What if the season was cancelled completely or they played a 80 game season? Would Mookie still accumulate one year of service time and be a free agent this winter? I am not sure if this issue still needs to be negotiated between the players and owners or it is already clearly stated in the players' contracts. And similarly, if the season is cancelled, I guess 2020 does not count as the "reset" year for the Red Sox for luxury tax purposes, but if they play a shortened season then it does count as the reset year? Thanks for your help. I am the last person to try to answer these questions, but... I can only imagine the holy stink the players' union would raise - and rightly so - if every player under team control had that control extended by another year. I can't imagine that would fly. And then this makes me wonder: would you do arbitration all over again next season? Does Rafael Devers get a big raise because we assume he would have had an awesome season? So many complexities...
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 16, 2020 23:16:22 GMT -5
wow. If July is now best case, we may be headed towards a cancelled season, no? Given the way the flu season/cycle works, if you're not willing to play baseball in July aren't you basically conceding that it will never be safe to do so until a vaccine is created? That's what I believe is going to be the case.
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 16, 2020 23:26:51 GMT -5
Given the way the flu season/cycle works, if you're not willing to play baseball in July aren't you basically conceding that it will never be safe to do so until a vaccine is created? I read somewhere today that if all things work out, Italy should be back to relatively normal life by June. Considering where they are in relation to the US, maybe that's where the July idea comes from.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 17, 2020 4:04:15 GMT -5
Time for some humor. This is funny:
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Post by jbuttah on Mar 17, 2020 8:47:07 GMT -5
Time for some humor. This is funny: Same thing with Italians and penne pasta!
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Post by johnsilver52 on Mar 18, 2020 3:52:04 GMT -5
Snow baseball! I have waited too long for this, make it happen Manfred you genius. Comical, but do they chuck possibly a full season down the drain? Play winter baseball at ST facilities, with no fans and then next year just start the season a few months later? Players are going to expect to be paid for 2020, play or not. Is it worse to pay them for not playing and getting back some media revenue, then losing some ticket revenue next season? Maybe play 50-60 games the late summer thru fall in warmer climates, wrap up WS in December. It's a thought.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 18, 2020 12:32:28 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 18, 2020 13:38:03 GMT -5
As the New Hampshire state moto says, "Live free and die while taking your friends and family with you."
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 18, 2020 14:49:05 GMT -5
Leaked government documents are suggesting that the Coronavirus pandemic can last for the next 18 months. I'm selfishly hoping that's not the case considering I'm suppose to be getting married in 15.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Mar 18, 2020 15:11:26 GMT -5
Leaked by whom? Posted where?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 18, 2020 15:37:58 GMT -5
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Post by pedroelgrande on Mar 18, 2020 15:51:27 GMT -5
Ok got it. We are in this for a while.
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Post by art on Mar 18, 2020 19:15:39 GMT -5
Snow baseball! I have waited too long for this, make it happen Manfred you genius. Comical, but do they chuck possibly a full season down the drain? Play winter baseball at ST facilities, with no fans and then next year just start the season a few months later? Players are going to expect to be paid for 2020, play or not. Is it worse to pay them for not playing and getting back some media revenue, then losing some ticket revenue next season?Maybe play 50-60 games the late summer thru fall in warmer climates, wrap up WS in December. It's a thought. Players have no assurance of being paid. The standard player's contract, which is required for every player under the CBA, includes the following provision:
Governmental Regulation--National Emergency 11. This contract is subject to ... the right of the Commissioner to suspend the operation of this contract during any national emergency during which Major League Baseball is not played.
Trump declared a national emergency under the Stafford Act a few days ago. As I read this provision the commissioner would have to take some affirmative action, presumably a letter to the union and each player, for such a suspension to go into effect. But the possibility of this happening is a big club in the hands of the owners. Hopefully the owners and the union would enter negotiations on how to deal with the situation before any exercise of the right to suspend would be exercised.
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Post by Smittyw on Mar 19, 2020 8:32:27 GMT -5
theathletic.com/1685815/2020/03/18/mookie-betts-trade-mlb-season/?source=rssObviously this is way, way down the list of legitimate concerns right now, but the fallout of all of this on the Mookie situation is really going to be interesting to watch. No matter how the service time situation gets sorted out, it seems like at least one party here will end up getting royally screwed.
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 19, 2020 16:47:45 GMT -5
So Mookie may not even play a game for the dodgers.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 19, 2020 17:57:52 GMT -5
I was just listening in on the MLB network and they wrapped themselves into knots as they started thinking about service time, just one element of what promise to be twisted negotiations between MLB and the Player's Association. There may not be enough lawyers in the world to unravel this one.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Mar 19, 2020 21:48:24 GMT -5
probably a dumb question, but wouldn't owners have some kind of insurance to cover expenses in this type of situation ? They can't just not pay the players and not count service time. Even if they lost the whole season they have to pay a portion of their salaries / give pro rated service. it isn't the players fault and they are the owners of the business. It is their burden / risk.
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Post by gerry on Mar 20, 2020 3:50:10 GMT -5
Saw a clip in the news of Italian military troop trucks with canvass tops, a parade of them, quietly carrying the dead out of town by night. Anyone not taking this seriously is delusional. It would be nice if a half MLB season started on July 4, but even if this is slowing down by then, I am not sure the toll on Americans and their parents, grandparents, families and friends will leave us much desire to go to ballgames. I feel more confident in a 2021 season, after a year of getting through this mess together.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 20, 2020 3:55:19 GMT -5
Doing our part. They've closed the multi-sport complexes on the island so we built a badminton court on our flat rooftop. My wife and kids will be there at first light until it starts heating up.
ADD: Yes, there's a wall all the way around, hehe.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 20, 2020 6:19:47 GMT -5
If baseball were to miss the majority of the season with players receiving their salaries, this would probably bankrupt someone like Jeter (the other one).
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