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Post by jimed14 on Mar 9, 2020 14:01:41 GMT -5
There is no pandemic. Corona virus has a lower death rate than any flu. There are more people who have recovered from it than now have it. The media, government and big pharma has gone insane in their crying wolf. If you are between the ages of 10 and 50 and are not immunocompromised , you have a 0.2% chance of dying if you get it and that number is probably high.
Also, please don't get the vaccine, which is one of the new ones that permanently alter your DNA and is not going to be tested nearly enough before it's released.
Once people get bored with the nonstop coverage, the news will let it go and it'll just be the normal viral cold that it is.
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Post by James Dunne on Mar 9, 2020 14:07:01 GMT -5
There is no pandemic. Corona virus has a lower death rate than any flu. There are more people who have recovered from it than now have it. The media, government and big pharma has gone insane in their crying wolf. If you are between the ages of 10 and 50 and are not immunocompromised , you have a 0.2% chance of dying if you get it and that number is probably high. Also, please don't get the vaccine, which is one of the new ones that permanently alter your DNA and is not going to be tested nearly enough before it's released. Once people get bored with the nonstop coverage, the news will let it go and it'll just be the normal viral cold that it is. Everything in this post is wrong, I just want you to know that. The mortality rate from coronavirus is about 20 times higher than the flu. That .2% number you quote is correct--1 in 500--compares to 1 in 10,000 from the flu. Fewer people have died from it, but the death rate is much higher. And for older people, for those who have weaker immune systems, for for those who have lung disease? It's extremely dangerous. Whatever you're talking about permanently altering your DNA is some straight tinfoil hat stuff. Wash your hands.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 9, 2020 14:25:50 GMT -5
There is no pandemic. Corona virus has a lower death rate than any flu. There are more people who have recovered from it than now have it. The media, government and big pharma has gone insane in their crying wolf. If you are between the ages of 10 and 50 and are not immunocompromised , you have a 0.2% chance of dying if you get it and that number is probably high. Also, please don't get the vaccine, which is one of the new ones that permanently alter your DNA and is not going to be tested nearly enough before it's released. Once people get bored with the nonstop coverage, the news will let it go and it'll just be the normal viral cold that it is. Everything in this post is wrong, I just want you to know that. The mortality rate from coronavirus is about 20 times higher than the flu. That .2% number you quote is correct--1 in 500--compares to 1 in 10,000 from the flu. Fewer people have died from it, but the death rate is much higher. And for older people, for those who have weaker immune systems, for for those who have lung disease? It's extremely dangerous. Whatever you're talking about permanently altering your DNA is some straight tinfoil hat stuff. Wash your hands. www.statnews.com/2020/03/02/coronavirus-drugs-and-vaccines-in-development/It's not tinfoil hat. It's what they're doing. Pretty much all the vaccines in development are DNA/RNA vaccines. www.nytimes.com/2015/03/10/health/protection-without-a-vaccine.htmlAnd here are the fatality rates by age: COVID-19 Fatality Rate by AGE: *Death Rate = (number of deaths / number of cases) = probability of dying if infected by the virus (%). This probability differs depending on the age group. The percentages shown below do not have to add up to 100%, as they do NOT represent share of deaths by age group. Rather, it represents, for a person in a given age group, the risk of dying if infected with COVID-19. Age
| Death rate | 80+ | 14.8%
| 70-79 years old
| 8.0%
| 60-69 years old
| 3.6% | 50-59 years old
| 1.3% | 40-49 years old | 0.4% | 30-39 years old | 0.2% | 20-29 years old | 0.2% | 10-19 years old | 0.2% | 0-9 years old | 0.0% |
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 9, 2020 14:27:27 GMT -5
Thanks for getting those numbers out there. There's a reason the markets are collapsing. China had to go to full-shutdown using all of their security apparatus - including digital tracking - and that has crushed global supply chains (with both supply and demand evaporating). Even then, the country still has dozens of deaths each day that we know about. The concern is that as they restart their economy and get people back into the factories it might take off again there.
And it's just ramping up in the rest of the world with oil demand having absolutely collapsed thanks to the tanking of demand in that market. As it gets rolling there could be tens of thousands of deaths. We don't want to minimize that possibility. The hope is that it can be contained. But it appears to be nearly as rampant as the flu, and it does appear to have a much higher death rate.
Here in the Northwest, I texted my nephew who works in Bellevue - Internet central. That's just a hope skip and a jump from Kirkland. Everyone in his company is now working from home. I'd guess that's the order of the day for lots of businesses. Again, the idea is to try to stop it in its tracks. We have to hope that happens.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 9, 2020 14:38:01 GMT -5
I will say that "corona virus" is extremely dangerous in areas like Wuhan China when they are living in extremely dangerous air pollution on a daily basis. At least the protests there have stopped.
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Post by ortiz on Mar 9, 2020 14:38:51 GMT -5
Everything in this post is wrong, I just want you to know that. The mortality rate from coronavirus is about 20 times higher than the flu. That .2% number you quote is correct--1 in 500--compares to 1 in 10,000 from the flu. Fewer people have died from it, but the death rate is much higher. And for older people, for those who have weaker immune systems, for for those who have lung disease? It's extremely dangerous. Whatever you're talking about permanently altering your DNA is some straight tinfoil hat stuff. Wash your hands. www.statnews.com/2020/03/02/coronavirus-drugs-and-vaccines-in-development/It's not tinfoil hat. It's what they're doing. Pretty much all the vaccines in development are DNA/RNA vaccines. www.nytimes.com/2015/03/10/health/protection-without-a-vaccine.htmlWow...just wow. Posting one unrelated article about an experimental disease treatment studied in 2015 and an unrelated article showing that current Coronavirus vaccines in study are RNA vaccines somehow proves that they change your DNA. Here's some light reading: www.phgfoundation.org/briefing/rna-vaccines You might learn something. I apologize about the tone but this is absurd. I don't post on baseball matters often as I don't know enough...this is a good rule to follow on other subjects.
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Post by James Dunne on Mar 9, 2020 14:41:40 GMT -5
It's important to understand that these that you seem to be dismissing are very high. www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-compared-to-flu-mortality-rates-2020-3 I don't love using Business Insider, but they have the side-by-side chart from the CDC that I can't get elsewhere. The mortality rate from the flu is .01% for those under 18, .02% for those under 50, .06% 50-65, and .83% for those over 65. The mortality rate is 20 times higher pretty much across the board.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 9, 2020 14:44:26 GMT -5
Wow...just wow. Posting one unrelated article about an experimental disease treatment studied in 2015 and an unrelated article showing that current Coronavirus vaccines in study are RNA vaccines somehow proves that they change your DNA. Here's some light reading: www.phgfoundation.org/briefing/rna-vaccines You might learn something. I apologize about the tone but this is absurd. I don't post on baseball matters often as I don't know enough...this is a good rule to follow on other subjects. Read your own link and tell me how your DNA is not being altered. If an RNA strand is introduced into your cells to self replicate, that is exactly what is happening. The link from 2015 is the same exact technique.
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Post by ortiz on Mar 9, 2020 14:50:37 GMT -5
Wow...just wow. Posting one unrelated article about an experimental disease treatment studied in 2015 and an unrelated article showing that current Coronavirus vaccines in study are RNA vaccines somehow proves that they change your DNA. Here's some light reading: www.phgfoundation.org/briefing/rna-vaccines You might learn something. I apologize about the tone but this is absurd. I don't post on baseball matters often as I don't know enough...this is a good rule to follow on other subjects. Read your own link and tell me how your DNA is not being altered. If an RNA strand is introduced into your cells to self replicate, that is exactly what is happening. The link from 2015 is the same exact technique. 100% wrong. RNA provides the information necessary for the antigen to be made. The antigen creates an immune response and the body has a memory of the immune response in case it comes across it again. Not sure where it says that it changes your DNA. Reading is fundamental.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 9, 2020 14:54:56 GMT -5
It's important to understand that these that you seem to be dismissing are very high. www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-compared-to-flu-mortality-rates-2020-3 I don't love using Business Insider, but they have the side-by-side chart from the CDC that I can't get elsewhere. The mortality rate from the flu is .01% for those under 18, .02% for those under 50, .06% 50-65, and .83% for those over 65. The mortality rate is 20 times higher pretty much across the board. If you believe how they are counting numbers I guess. But 80% of people with coronavirus show almost no symptoms and have no reason to even go to a doctor or get tested. So the number is surely lower. As with every sickness and disease, work on improving your immune system and there is nothing to ever fear. Don't wait for "help" from big pharma and government. We're far more likely to get cancer from our environments than we are to die from some mysterious magical bug. Humans wouldn't even exist if they couldn't fight off all viruses most of the time.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 9, 2020 15:00:16 GMT -5
Read your own link and tell me how your DNA is not being altered. If an RNA strand is introduced into your cells to self replicate, that is exactly what is happening. The link from 2015 is the same exact technique. 100% wrong. RNA provides the information necessary for the antigen to be made. The antigen creates an immune response and the body has a memory of the immune response in case it comes across it again. Not sure where it says that it changes your DNA. Reading is fundamental. What exactly do you think "where it is taken up by the body’s cells to make the antigen." means? Guarantee that these new vaccines are going to spurn a wave of new autoimmune disorders where immune systems start attacking healthy cells.
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Post by pedroiaesque on Mar 9, 2020 15:13:22 GMT -5
100% wrong. RNA provides the information necessary for the antigen to be made. The antigen creates an immune response and the body has a memory of the immune response in case it comes across it again. Not sure where it says that it changes your DNA. Reading is fundamental. What exactly do you think "where it is taken up by the body’s cells to make the antigen." means? Guarantee that these new vaccines are going to spurn a wave of new autoimmune disorders where immune systems start attacking healthy cells. Let me get this straight, you are saying that we are freaking out about an actual virus that infects actual people, and then you go on an anti-vax tangent? Please just stop.
FYI, putting RNA into cells to get them to make a protein that then gets presented to immune cells to help teach them what to kill in your body does NOT involve altering DNA at all. Moreover, there is no vaccine yet for COVID-19, so we do not know exactly what type of vaccine will be made, but I can tell you that with the speed at which this will be made, it almost has to be with standard vaccine technology (proteins or parts of proteins).
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 9, 2020 15:27:24 GMT -5
It's important to understand that these that you seem to be dismissing are very high. www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-compared-to-flu-mortality-rates-2020-3 I don't love using Business Insider, but they have the side-by-side chart from the CDC that I can't get elsewhere. The mortality rate from the flu is .01% for those under 18, .02% for those under 50, .06% 50-65, and .83% for those over 65. The mortality rate is 20 times higher pretty much across the board. If you believe how they are counting numbers I guess. But 80% of people with coronavirus show almost no symptoms and have no reason to even go to a doctor or get tested. So the number is surely lower. As with every sickness and disease, work on improving your immune system and there is nothing to ever fear. Don't wait for "help" from big pharma and government. We're far more likely to get cancer from our environments than we are to die from some mysterious magical bug. Humans wouldn't even exist if they couldn't fight off all viruses most of the time. Wow I'm so glad we have someone like you on the board, zero reasons to worry we just need to work on improving our immune systems! So please tell me how I do that? I'm 37 years old and have had psoriatic arthritis since I was 16. I'm on Remicade which weakens my immune system. The common cold takes 2-3 weeks before my body can fight it off. I'm just so thankful for people like you spreading lies and misinformation. Let me guess you're a big fan of Andrew Wakefield? I can't wait for the day they can change my dna and fix my auto-immune disease, yet my Doctor tells me that is 10 to 20 years in the future.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 9, 2020 15:34:28 GMT -5
What exactly do you think "where it is taken up by the body’s cells to make the antigen." means? Guarantee that these new vaccines are going to spurn a wave of new autoimmune disorders where immune systems start attacking healthy cells. Let me get this straight, you are saying that we are freaking out about an actual virus that infects actual people, and then you go on an anti-vax tangent? Please just stop.
FYI, putting RNA into cells to get them to make a protein that then gets presented to immune cells to help teach them what to kill in your body does NOT involve altering DNA at all. Moreover, there is no vaccine yet for COVID-19, so we do not know exactly what type of vaccine will be made, but I can tell you that with the speed at which this will be made, it almost has to be with standard vaccine technology (proteins or parts of proteins). The definition of vaccine does not necessarily include the words safe and effective. The link I provided earlier listed all of the vaccines being developed for corona. Most of them are gene injection therapy, which as the other link I posted shows, alters DNA. One of the "features" of this new technology is quickness of development. Putting RNA into cells to replicate is altering DNA. How else does it replicate? The only way that cells replicate is by copying DNA. Go get 12 of them to be safe and continue to trust the people who run the world who thirst for extreme power over people and trillions of dollars. The world is going great thanks to them. All they ever do is tell the truth and have extreme compassion for human life.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 9, 2020 15:38:44 GMT -5
If you believe how they are counting numbers I guess. But 80% of people with coronavirus show almost no symptoms and have no reason to even go to a doctor or get tested. So the number is surely lower. As with every sickness and disease, work on improving your immune system and there is nothing to ever fear. Don't wait for "help" from big pharma and government. We're far more likely to get cancer from our environments than we are to die from some mysterious magical bug. Humans wouldn't even exist if they couldn't fight off all viruses most of the time. Wow I'm so glad we have someone like you on the board, zero reasons to worry we just need to work on improving our immune systems! So please tell me how I do that? I'm 37 years old and have had psoriatic arthritis since I was 16. I'm on Remicade which weakens my immune system. The common cold takes 2-3 weeks before my body can fight it off. I'm just so thankful for people like you spreading lies and misinformation. Let me guess you're a big fan of Andrew Wakefield? I can't wait for the day they can change my dna and fix my auto-immune disease, yet my Doctor tells me that is 10 to 20 years in the future. Well continue to believe the lies your doctor tells you then. Your Remicade is the problem, not the solution. The cause of psoriatic arthritis needs to be addressed instead of having medication to cover the symptoms of the actual underlying problem. But western medicine will continue to never actually cure a single person of anything. Just pump everyone full of pills and shots. Keep the money pouring in. That's why there is almost zero research to find the causes of diseases so they can be avoided and instead there is only drug research so big pharma can make more trillions while making people sicker.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 9, 2020 15:54:56 GMT -5
Wow I'm so glad we have someone like you on the board, zero reasons to worry we just need to work on improving our immune systems! So please tell me how I do that? I'm 37 years old and have had psoriatic arthritis since I was 16. I'm on Remicade which weakens my immune system. The common cold takes 2-3 weeks before my body can fight it off. I'm just so thankful for people like you spreading lies and misinformation. Let me guess you're a big fan of Andrew Wakefield? I can't wait for the day they can change my dna and fix my auto-immune disease, yet my Doctor tells me that is 10 to 20 years in the future. Well continue to believe the lies your doctor tells you then. Your Remicade is the problem, not the solution. The cause of psoriatic arthritis needs to be addressed instead of having medication to cover the symptoms of the actual underlying problem. But western medicine will continue to never actually cure a single person of anything. Just pump everyone full of pills and shots. Keep the money pouring in. That's why there is almost zero research to find the causes of diseases so they can be avoided and instead there is only drug research so big pharma can make more trillions while making people sicker. Wow, do you really believe what you just said? I litterally can't walk or heck even more without Remicade. Remicade tricks my immune system so it stops attacking my body. It's a miracle drug for people like me. There is no natural cure, we tried all that when I was young. It just gets worse and worse, to the point that I will be disabled sooner rather than later. The damage to my joints has already caused me to lose over 50% range of motion in a bunch of my joints. The cause is my immune system attacks my body. This isn't like I have diabetes because I consume too much sugar and don't workout. It's a problem with my DNA. You litterally have no clue what you are talking about!
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Mar 9, 2020 16:12:15 GMT -5
Angry man yells at cloud. Maybe just spend the day on reddit/conspiracy instead
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Post by Smittyw on Mar 9, 2020 17:01:21 GMT -5
Hopefully we can all agree that Rob Manfred is a lizard person, though.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 9, 2020 17:14:33 GMT -5
Sorry folks, I forgot how much people freak out when something is suggested that attacks their entire belief system. Back to your regularly scheduled programming. Make sure to keep panicking for every new super bug that is going to kill the entire world, while ignoring the fact that medical errors and medication taken correctly as prescribed is the 3rd leading cause of death for Americans.
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Mar 9, 2020 17:31:10 GMT -5
OK guys, for a numerate group there seems to be a lot of misinformation here. The flu has an average mortality rate of 0.1% in the US over the last 10 years with deaths totaling around 360,000 during that time frame. So on average 36,000 die each year and 36,000,000 get the flu. It appears that COVID-19 is harder to transmit than the flu which is a good thing, but at the moment the observed mortality rate is north of 3.0% or thirty times more lethal than the typical flu. This is somewhat ameliorated by the fact infections are likely under-reported (particularly in the US) due to lack of testing, a situation that is only going to improve slowly, but it's not going to 0.1%. As for the markets, they have been living on a sugar high for years with everything going 110% perfectly. That bubble was just there waiting to be pricked and the slowdown that is already baked in the cake because of COVID-19 which provided the needle. Yes the virus is causing concern, but there is no panic like rich people with hot money losing in the market and the stampede for the exits is a sight to behold.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Mar 10, 2020 7:58:41 GMT -5
Let me get this straight, you are saying that we are freaking out about an actual virus that infects actual people, and then you go on an anti-vax tangent? Please just stop. FYI, putting RNA into cells to get them to make a protein that then gets presented to immune cells to help teach them what to kill in your body does NOT involve altering DNA at all. Moreover, there is no vaccine yet for COVID-19, so we do not know exactly what type of vaccine will be made, but I can tell you that with the speed at which this will be made, it almost has to be with standard vaccine technology (proteins or parts of proteins). The definition of vaccine does not necessarily include the words safe and effective. The link I provided earlier listed all of the vaccines being developed for corona. Most of them are gene injection therapy, which as the other link I posted shows, alters DNA. One of the "features" of this new technology is quickness of development. Putting RNA into cells to replicate is altering DNA. How else does it replicate? The only way that cells replicate is by copying DNA. Go get 12 of them to be safe and continue to trust the people who run the world who thirst for extreme power over people and trillions of dollars. The world is going great thanks to them. All they ever do is tell the truth and have extreme compassion for human life. Hey, without looking it up, can you tell me what each letter in DNA stands for, and give a brief definition of each term?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 10, 2020 9:27:16 GMT -5
Da Roxbury nuclear acid. It's good stuff man.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 10, 2020 11:28:04 GMT -5
Sooo, question. If Ebola and SARS were far more deadly and if the Swine Flu killed 12,000 Americans, why was there so much less media and panic ?
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Mar 10, 2020 12:05:50 GMT -5
Because Ebola and SARS are much harder to transmit and the Swine Flu had a lower mortality rate. Here no one really knows, early indications are that COVID-19 is 20 to 30 times more deadly than the flu and while it may be harder to transmit, no one knows for sure and no one knows how to tell if one has been exposed. Fear of the unknown is often the driver of panic and that's what we are faced with.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Mar 10, 2020 13:00:47 GMT -5
(No apology for the thread drift as the entire thread is now in the "Off-Topic Section.)
I got the Swine Flu in '09. That stuff was pure evil. I would not wish it on the most obnoxious Yankee fan. Every symptom I had was the worst I have every had that particular system. The headache was god-awful all encompassing pain. The body aches and chills were debilitating by themselves. The nausea...oh my lord. And on and on. Sickest I have ever been in my life.
I would murder puppies and kittens if it kept me from getting that again.
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