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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Mar 10, 2020 15:30:37 GMT -5
(No apology for the thread drift as the entire thread is now in the "Off-Topic Section.) I got the Swine Flu in '09. That stuff was pure evil. I would not wish it on the most obnoxious Yankee fan. Every symptom I had was the worst I have every had that particular system. The headache was god-awful all encompassing pain. The body aches and chills were debilitating by themselves. The nausea...oh my lord. And on and on. Sickest I have ever been in my life. I would murder puppies and kittens if it kept me from getting that again. CNN and the government only want you to THINK it was swine flu |
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Post by manfred on Mar 10, 2020 15:39:10 GMT -5
Sooo, question. If Ebola and SARS were far more deadly and if the Swine Flu killed 12,000 Americans, why was there so much less media and panic ? Ebola has never gotten out in the US. There have been under a dozen cases, all contained. I can guarantee a mass panic if it got out the way COVID-19 has. Similarly, SARS only infected 8,000 people worldwide. This is already far more widespread. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 10, 2020 15:52:37 GMT -5
Sorry folks, I forgot how much people freak out when something is suggested that attacks their entire belief system. Back to your regularly scheduled programming. Make sure to keep panicking for every new super bug that is going to kill the entire world, while ignoring the fact that medical errors and medication taken correctly as prescribed is the 3rd leading cause of death for Americans. More like get upset when people tell lies after lies like you. You listen to nut jobs who spread fake data to cause panic and unrest. We have diseases that were 100% gone popping back up because of people like you spreading false data. People actually think vaccines cause autism because of people just like you spreading lies. Western medicine is why people live a lot longer today! Western medicine is why a bunch of people are surviving this horrible virus. Yeah I think some people might be overacting, yet you are the exacted opposite saying it's just the flu and all you need to do is build up your immune system. If it's just the flu go get infected, I dare you! We have a 32 year old in the hospital that was fully healthy with no issues saying how he's getting worse everyday. That isn't the flu. We have Countries completely shutting down their economies to stop the spread, but you think it's just the flu lol. Just answer me this if Western medicine is the 3rd leading cause of death in the US like you claim why are people living longer than 200, 100, heck 50 years ago? |
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 11, 2020 8:52:33 GMT -5
I'm no expert and I didn't stay at a Motel 8 last night but I do trust the experts when I want to learn about something. So I'm guessing their were true experts involved in the decision to have the whole country of Italy put under quarantine. And when colleges send all their students home I'm guessing they are being advised by experts. Or when decisions to close events down that literally cost millions of dollars in unearned revenue, etc. etc. etc. Let the experts do their job.
The obvious answer is that this virus has the POTENTIAL to be very very bad if not catastrophic without being contained and taken very seriously!!!
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Post by swooptech on Mar 11, 2020 9:24:43 GMT -5
As a geneticist it always cracks me up listening to some people talk about genetics- and then I get the sudden fear that I sound this crazy when speaking about something outside the things I have studied... Let me get this straight, you are saying that we are freaking out about an actual virus that infects actual people, and then you go on an anti-vax tangent? Please just stop.
FYI, putting RNA into cells to get them to make a protein that then gets presented to immune cells to help teach them what to kill in your body does NOT involve altering DNA at all. Moreover, there is no vaccine yet for COVID-19, so we do not know exactly what type of vaccine will be made, but I can tell you that with the speed at which this will be made, it almost has to be with standard vaccine technology (proteins or parts of proteins). The definition of vaccine does not necessarily include the words safe and effective. The link I provided earlier listed all of the vaccines being developed for corona. Most of them are gene injection therapy, which as the other link I posted shows, alters DNA. One of the "features" of this new technology is quickness of development. Putting RNA into cells to replicate is altering DNA. How else does it replicate? The only way that cells replicate is by copying DNA. Go get 12 of them to be safe and continue to trust the people who run the world who thirst for extreme power over people and trillions of dollars. The world is going great thanks to them. All they ever do is tell the truth and have extreme compassion for human life. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 11, 2020 19:02:31 GMT -5
www.masslive.com/coronavirus/2020/03/coronavirus-spike-in-western-massachusetts-a-mayor-54-nurses-under-quarantine-in-berkshire-county.htmlHere we go little Berkshire County is officially a hot zone. What the article doesn't say is all schools are closing, all government and state offices, with talk that all non essential businesses could be forced to close within a day or two. A lot of our Doctors travel here from other areas a lot of them aren't coming back till this is over. They can't get replacement nurses to fill in for the ones in quarantine. So glad they waited five days to test the people who came into the hospital! They effectively just destroyed the only care we have in our area. Our other Hospital closed a few years ago. The five people that went into the hospital on March 1st are still there ten days later. No worries though, this is just the flu right?🤮
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 13, 2020 20:45:34 GMT -5
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Mar 15, 2020 9:44:31 GMT -5
That isn't just nothing. I think, after reading your posts over the years, you live outside the US at this time. It doesn't take much to realize that the bolded couldn't even be considered in the US. I think redsoxfan was just pointing out that the differences in how much the government can directly influence the outcome, as opposed to here, where that kind of directive, pretty much couldn't be given. It definitely would not be followed. Maybe they should hold a giant protest rally. If people are going to be that stupid to not heed the warnings, they've earned what they get. In Italy, a big part of the rapid spread of the disease was because when they shut down the schools and large businesses, instead of going home, people began going to the beach and assembling in town squares. I'm pretty sure that wasn't what they had in mind. .
There are a lot more scientific reasons for the spread of this, than cultural. However, people don't always make the right decisions. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 15, 2020 10:38:24 GMT -5
Maybe they should hold a giant protest rally. If people are going to be that stupid to not heed the warnings, they've earned what they get. In Italy, a big part of the rapid spread of the disease was because when they shut down the schools and large businesses, instead of going home, people began going to the beach and assembling in town squares. I'm pretty sure that wasn't what they had in mind. .
There are a lot more scientific reasons for the spread of this, than cultural. However, people don't always make the right decisions. I was talking about the USA. If people don't want to act intelligently, there's not much that you can do. If you feel that it's more important to socialize or walk around free than to be concerned about your and your family's health, you have an odd sense of priorities. There are no known cases within 1000 miles of me, yet, we've restricted family travel, wear masks when we are out and we have a hand sanitizer and thermometer in our foyer. Nobody gets in without a temperature check including the construction workers that are here every day. There are no government mandates for any of that yet but I'm not likely to sit around and wait for government mandates when my family well being is at risk, minimal as it may be. Your mileage and priorities are obviously different. |
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Post by wcsoxfan on Mar 15, 2020 11:21:32 GMT -5
In China ?? i think we all know how that would turn out. There are a lot more scientific reasons for the spread of this, than cultural. However, people don't always make the right decisions. I was talking about the USA. If people don't want to act intelligently, there's not much that you can do. If you feel that it's more important to socialize or walk around free than to be concerned about your and your family's health, you have an odd sense of priorities. There are no known cases within 1000 miles of me, yet, we've restricted family travel, wear masks when we are out and we have a hand sanitizer and thermometer in our foyer. Nobody gets in without a temperature check including the construction workers that are here every day. There are no government mandates for any of that yet but I'm not likely to sit around and wait for government mandates when my family well being is at risk, minimal as it may be. Your mileage and priorities are obviously different. New Hampshire state slogan is 'live free or die', so it's certainly possible American's value of freedom are different than your own. But you mention 'when we are out' and 'the construction workers that are here every day' - this contradicts your point as these actions would not be allowed in China. There are very few places in the world right now that don't have coronavirus within 1,000 miles, and they are all very remote. I recommend checking again as it's likely closer than you think. This site has a list of countries which reported their first confirmed outbreaks within the last few days: www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/features/coronavirus-outbreak-the-countries-affected/And please tell your family to stop buying/using masks unless they are sick or taking care of someone who is sick. They are not designed to prevent you from getting sick, they are designed to prevent you from getting others sick. There is a worldwide shortage and people hoarding/wearing these masks are assisting the spread of the virus. Instructions from WHO: www.who.int/images/default-source/health-topics/coronavirus/masks/masks-2.png |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 15, 2020 11:54:01 GMT -5
I was talking about the USA. If people don't want to act intelligently, there's not much that you can do. If you feel that it's more important to socialize or walk around free than to be concerned about your and your family's health, you have an odd sense of priorities. There are no known cases within 1000 miles of me, yet, we've restricted family travel, wear masks when we are out and we have a hand sanitizer and thermometer in our foyer. Nobody gets in without a temperature check including the construction workers that are here every day. There are no government mandates for any of that yet but I'm not likely to sit around and wait for government mandates when my family well being is at risk, minimal as it may be. Your mileage and priorities are obviously different. New Hampshire state slogan is 'live free or die', so it's certainly possible American's value of freedom are different than your own. But you mention 'when we are out' and 'the construction workers that are here every day' - this contradicts your point as these actions would not be allowed in China. There are very few places in the world right now that don't have coronavirus within 1,000 miles, and they are all very remote. I recommend checking again as it's likely closer than you think. This site has a list of countries which reported their first confirmed outbreaks within the last few days: www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/features/coronavirus-outbreak-the-countries-affected/And please tell your family to stop buying/using masks unless they are sick or taking care of someone who is sick. They are not designed to prevent you from getting sick, they are designed to prevent you from getting others sick. There is a worldwide shortage and people hoarding/wearing these masks are assisting the spread of the virus. Instructions from WHO: www.who.int/images/default-source/health-topics/coronavirus/masks/masks-2.pngI don't live in China and I'm well aware of the virus in the Philippines. Only Manila and a few northern cities have positive cases. There have only been 3 deaths here and two were from a cruise ship that visited China. Manila is 1500 miles from me and it's in semi-lockdown. No planes or passenger boats and only workers with documentation are allowed to enter/leave the city (and Metro). There are no cases on the small island I live on and no cases in Mindanao, the mainland island to us. Here's Nashville last night. Idiots... There is no shortage of masks in the Philippines. |
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Post by pedroiaesque on Mar 15, 2020 19:05:06 GMT -5
As a geneticist it always cracks me up listening to some people talk about genetics- and then I get the sudden fear that I sound this crazy when speaking about something outside the things I have studied... I’m also a scientist... I’m never sure how far to take these kind of conversations when someone clearly has gone off the rails. If they’re willing to engage in a true conversation and be willing to listen, usually, I’ll cede some ground. If not, I tend to just pull a Cartman and say, “screw you guys, I’m going home”. |
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Post by dd on Mar 16, 2020 15:43:40 GMT -5
Massachusetts: "Baker closes Mass. public schools, prohibits gatherings of 25 people or more, bans on-premise consumption at bars, restaurants" Per the Boston Globe Yup. So much for St. Paddy's Day. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 17, 2020 18:29:36 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 17, 2020 18:57:40 GMT -5
Locally, we aren't on lockdown yet but that could happen at any time. Essentially, our only egress from our island is through the city of Davao. If they go on lockdown, we're pretty much automatically locked down. There is widespread talk of implementing a provincial (state) pre-preemptive lockdown.
I traveled to Davao yesterday and there was a noticeable difference. I use my motorcycle so, the ferry, not the passenger boats. They wouldn't sell a round trip ticket since there are no guarantees that there won't be a lockdown while I'm in the city. I had my temperature taken with infrared thermometers at both sides of the ferry and once while entering a mall and once while entering an office supply store. City traffic was unusually low, about 80 % of the store staffs and about 50% of the customers were wearing masks and every store squirted hand sanitizer. I was also carded for the first time ever to return.
Nationally The Philippines has now declared a state of calamity. Pretty much all of Manila and the island it is on are in lockdown. Airports at the three largest cities have been shut down.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 18, 2020 2:51:28 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 18, 2020 16:16:57 GMT -5
Meanwhile, in Italy. Someone opened their mouth when they shouldn't have and said that only 2 healthy people have died from corona virus (and those 2 are not even confirmed) and the average age of death is 80.3.
This was printed in Agenzia Nova and has been removed. It was spoken at a press conference.
If you fall off a cliff, you'll be counted as a corona virus death.
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Post by incandenza on Mar 18, 2020 16:21:37 GMT -5
Meanwhile, in Italy. Someone opened their mouth when they shouldn't have and said that only 2 healthy people have died from corona virus (and those 2 are not even confirmed) and the average age of death is 80.3. This was printed in Agenzia Nova and has been removed. It was spoken at a press conference. If you fall off a cliff, you'll be counted as a corona virus death. Hmm. On the one hand, every public health expert in the world. On the other hand, jimed14 at soxprospects dot com. Thanks for doing your small part to spread misinformation and make all of us less safe, jimed. Not all heroes wear capes, as they say. |
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 18, 2020 16:23:46 GMT -5
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32133832/Is NIH a good enough source? Testing kits are abysmally inaccurate: Results: When the infection rate of the close contacts and the sensitivity and specificity of reported results were taken as the point estimates, the positive predictive value of the active screening was only 19.67%, in contrast, the false-positive rate of positive results was 80.33%.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 18, 2020 16:24:29 GMT -5
Meanwhile, in Italy. Someone opened their mouth when they shouldn't have and said that only 2 healthy people have died from corona virus (and those 2 are not even confirmed) and the average age of death is 80.3. This was printed in Agenzia Nova and has been removed. It was spoken at a press conference. If you fall off a cliff, you'll be counted as a corona virus death. Hmm. On the one hand, every public health expert in the world. On the other hand, jimed14 at soxprospects dot com. Thanks for doing your small part to spread misinformation and make all of us less safe, jimed. Not all heroes wear capes, as they say. Yes, the appeal to authority is all anyone has when trying to be logical. I guess the public health experts at the ISS in Italy didn't get the memo. |
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Post by incandenza on Mar 18, 2020 16:38:10 GMT -5
Hmm. On the one hand, every public health expert in the world. On the other hand, jimed14 at soxprospects dot com. Thanks for doing your small part to spread misinformation and make all of us less safe, jimed. Not all heroes wear capes, as they say. Yes, the appeal to authority is all anyone has when trying to be logical. Appeal to expert opinion is not logically fallacious. If I'm on a plane I'll trust the pilot to fly it, rather than look up the DIY instructions on conspiracist.net. Anyway, I didn't think it was worth it, but if you want a rebuttal of the source you cited - they're saying coronavirus kills people with pre-existing health issues. (I don't claim to know that this is true, only that it's what the quote you cited is saying.) I guess that's not a big deal to you, but that's millions of people that I'd rather not see die. Certainly doesn't make me feel great regarding my friends who have asthma or heart issues, or my parents who are healthy but old enough to worry that they might have undiagnosed conditions... |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 18, 2020 17:25:23 GMT -5
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32133832/Is NIH a good enough source? Testing kits are abysmally inaccurate: Results: When the infection rate of the close contacts and the sensitivity and specificity of reported results were taken as the point estimates, the positive predictive value of the active screening was only 19.67%, in contrast, the false-positive rate of positive results was 80.33%. Well, that's not an NIH article, for one thing. NIH hosts academic papers on their website. Red Sox European scout Rene Saggiadi has been tweeting news and reports from Italy, where he lives. No idea where you're getting your nonsense, but here's articles about an area of Italy where the Italian army is being brought in to move caskets around. The next tweet in his thread is about how they're storing the caskets in churches because the have nowhere to put them. |
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Post by p23w on Mar 18, 2020 21:03:56 GMT -5
FTR, WHO (the "health care experts") issue corvid-19 test kits which have a 45% false reading rate. Who also "rated" Italy as having the 2nd best healthcare system in the world, last year.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 18, 2020 21:53:35 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 19, 2020 1:35:22 GMT -5
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