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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 24, 2020 9:32:08 GMT -5
There is no pandemic. Corona virus has a lower death rate than any flu. There are more people who have recovered from it than now have it. The media, government and big pharma has gone insane in their crying wolf. If you are between the ages of 10 and 50 and are not immunocompromised , you have a 0.2% chance of dying if you get it and that number is probably high. Also, please don't get the vaccine, which is one of the new ones that permanently alter your DNA and is not going to be tested nearly enough before it's released. Once people get bored with the nonstop coverage, the news will let it go and it'll just be the normal viral cold that it is. Just opened up this thread and this is the first post. We can call this Exhibit A of just how wrong and misguided people can be, that's the nice way of putting it. I know we aren't supposed to get political on here but I have a pretty good idea where this thought originated. My daughter is a critical care nurse and she calls me crying every day with worry about how badly prepared they are for this. Not enough ventilaters, not enough masks, spreading the virus in the hospital because of a lack of supplies. If I get going I might just get kicked off this site. All I know is that proper leadership and fore thought from the beginning would have helped a lot more than the lies. You mean to tell me that the Great America couldn't produce these things in less than a month. Yup we are making America great again for sure. And now all they can say is stop pointing fingers. I for one will not stop pointing fingers, the man has literally cost many many lives and they still support him as he said they would. November is coming and I don't plan on being quiet. What a load of crap that is. Here's Dr. Fauci: www.facebook.com/cnsnewscom/videos/213870806487888/ |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 24, 2020 10:06:44 GMT -5
Just opened up this thread and this is the first post. We can call this Exhibit A of just how wrong and misguided people can be, that's the nice way of putting it. I know we aren't supposed to get political on here but I have a pretty good idea where this thought originated. My daughter is a critical care nurse and she calls me crying every day with worry about how badly prepared they are for this. Not enough ventilaters, not enough masks, spreading the virus in the hospital because of a lack of supplies. If I get going I might just get kicked off this site. All I know is that proper leadership and fore thought from the beginning would have helped a lot more than the lies. You mean to tell me that the Great America couldn't produce these things in less than a month. Yup we are making America great again for sure. And now all they can say is stop pointing fingers. I for one will not stop pointing fingers, the man has literally cost many many lives and they still support him as he said they would. November is coming and I don't plan on being quiet. What a load of crap that is. Here's Dr. Fauci: www.facebook.com/cnsnewscom/videos/213870806487888/Trump has been awful throughout this whole ordeal, absolutely terrible. Still, the man whose seemingly going to be running against him, Joe Biden, has virtually disappeared and the one thing Trump did right, banning travel to China, he called Trump xenophobic for it. At the end of the day, Fauci works for Trump either directly or indirectly. If Trump wants him replaced, he can do so. |
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Mar 24, 2020 10:48:05 GMT -5
He hasn't been banned if that's what you're getting at. Nahh, I was insinuating that Corona karma smacked him like it has all the other people who laughed at it |
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Post by manfred on Mar 24, 2020 13:05:20 GMT -5
Trump has been awful throughout this whole ordeal, absolutely terrible. Still, the man whose seemingly going to be running against him, Joe Biden, has virtually disappeared and the one thing Trump did right, banning travel to China, he called Trump xenophobic for it. At the end of the day, Fauci works for Trump either directly or indirectly. If Trump wants him replaced, he can do so. Bit of false equivalence. Biden has made some virtual appearances, but he hardly has the ability to get the daily spotlight that DJT (unfortunately) gets. There is not much Biden can do or say. And if he gets elected, he’ll have to clean up this (and other) messes. Travel restrictions may well be necessary. And Trump is a xenophobe. They are not mutually exclusive. The idea that he blames China but takes no responsibility himself suggests he sees that yet again his way out is to scapegoat people his base is predisposed to hate anyway. As for Fauci, it is clear from interviews what he thinks of Trump. About what Tillerson thought. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 24, 2020 13:27:14 GMT -5
We have met the enemy and they are us.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 24, 2020 14:09:40 GMT -5
Trump has been awful throughout this whole ordeal, absolutely terrible. Still, the man whose seemingly going to be running against him, Joe Biden, has virtually disappeared and the one thing Trump did right, banning travel to China, he called Trump xenophobic for it. At the end of the day, Fauci works for Trump either directly or indirectly. If Trump wants him replaced, he can do so. Bit of false equivalence. Biden has made some virtual appearances, but he hardly has the ability to get the daily spotlight that DJT (unfortunately) gets. There is not much Biden can do or say. And if he gets elected, he’ll have to clean up this (and other) messes. Travel restrictions may well be necessary. And Trump is a xenophobe. They are not mutually exclusive. The idea that he blames China but takes no responsibility himself suggests he sees that yet again his way out is to scapegoat people his base is predisposed to hate anyway. As for Fauci, it is clear from interviews what he thinks of Trump. About what Tillerson thought. FWIW, I've seen more out of Sanders than Biden. He has used 2 million in campaign donations to help families and seemingly appears more vocally present. You can think Trump is a xenophobe, which I won't argue the point, but the one quick to action thing that he did get right, and then imply that he's being a bigot for doing so means you would have failed to act appropriately in that scenario. I do put an astronomical amount of blame towards China in regards to this global crisis, but I would also recognize that like Italy, Trump and the United States were too slow to act and take as much preventative measures as possible. What I'm mortified by is the fact he thinks we can resume our lives by April 12th as the virus continues to spread exponentially. There hasn't even been a slowdown and we're talking about opening everything back up? Why? Edit: Said the 19th, it's actually the 12th. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 24, 2020 18:40:34 GMT -5
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Mar 24, 2020 20:04:36 GMT -5
trump imposed the travel ban on non-US citizens from China on January 31. Prior to the ban about 300,000 foreign nationals had arrived from China during the month. In addition, US citizens continued to arrive from China to the tune of 20 to 30 planes a day landing in SF, LA and NY. This according to Ron Klain who coordinated the US response to the Ebola outbreak who called trump action a "Travel Band-Aid". www.factcheck.org/2020/03/the-facts-on-trumps-travel-restrictions/The only "credit" the ignoramus of 1600 should get is for increasing the number of people who will perish from this scourge. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 24, 2020 20:04:40 GMT -5
All I get from both sides is, "he said, she said". Republicans are claiming Democrats continue to try to add legislation that's irrelevant to a stimulus (which is typical, but in a crisis is unethical). Then you have the Democrats who are claiming that Republicans are pushing for a stimulus that can be allocated however Trump pleases with zero guidance on how to spend it. I'm honestly disgusted that we have people who are going to bed not knowing how they're going to pay their electric bill for the safety of the American citizen and we have two sides in a peeing match playing politics. Just get something done. |
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Post by manfred on Mar 24, 2020 22:04:21 GMT -5
All I get from both sides is, "he said, she said". Republicans are claiming Democrats continue to try to add legislation that's irrelevant to a stimulus (which is typical, but in a crisis is unethical). Then you have the Democrats who are claiming that Republicans are pushing for a stimulus that can be allocated however Trump pleases with zero guidance on how to spend it. I'm honestly disgusted that we have people who are going to bed not knowing how they're going to pay their electric bill for the safety of the American citizen and we have two sides in a peeing match playing politics. Just get something done. Well, Republicans control 2/3 of the government. If they want to pass bills, the Senate can do it. (If the House obstructs, then you can complain). If Rand Paul hadn’t possibly infected his caucus, they would not be down 3 votes. The equivalence argument is a fig leaf. Trump can issue executive orders. He could be making companies produce necessary medical equipment.... no Dems necessary. Blaming the Democrats is deflection. It is interesting, too, that people are being encouraged to sign up for Obamacare. Doesn’t seem like such a bad idea anymore, heh? Edit: by the way, the $1,000 per family idea was one that came out of the Democratic primary and got called socialism. I am assuming Republicans will not accept these socialist handouts when they come? |
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Post by beantown on Mar 24, 2020 23:49:15 GMT -5
Hey folks, second year PA student in Boston here. Stepping in to disagree strongly with essentially everything that Jimed has said.
Please take this seriously, and for the love of god, let’s not politicize this issue of public health and safety. This is not about Democrats and Republicans.
On major clarification: the main issue here is not the kill rate of the virus, though as has been stated here, it absolutely is a much more dangerous virus than the flu.
The major issue is with the overcrowding of healthcare capacity due to this virus’s ability to spread through unknowing carriers. This has created a nearly exponential spread that hasn’t yet slowed down. Nearly 20% of cases require hospitalization, and at the current rate of spread, this means the demand for beds will push an already stretched system (and that’s under normal circumstances) beyond its capacity.
There are a limited number of ventilators in this country. There are a limited number of protective masks and gloves. We are already seeing shortages. Most importantly, there are a limited number of doctors, nurses, PAs, NPs, lab technicians, and so on. That is the danger. If we run over capacity, people cannot get the treatment they need. It would be a devastating outcome.
Stay inside as much as your work/needs allow, and as Dunne put so succinctly: wash your hands.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 25, 2020 10:53:19 GMT -5
I’m happy the two sides finally agreed on a stimulus package.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 25, 2020 12:03:22 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 25, 2020 22:02:23 GMT -5
A view from another country.
The Philippines (population a little over 100 million) now has 636 confirmed cases and 39 deaths where Covid-19 is suspected.
Fortunately for us, we don't have much political turmoil since the President is enormously popular. I say fortunately because the entire country is pretty much taking this seriously. We don't have spring break beach parties going on. Even the churches have shut down in spite of being a heavily Christian country.
The Senate has given the President pretty much unlimited powers:
1. He now has the authority to rearrange the budget where monies are needed for fighting the virus. Hospitals, for example are likely to be huge beneficiaries.
2. He now has the authority for the government to take control of all public utilities which are privately owned. Electric, water, internet, communications, etc. It's unlikely that he will exercise that power but, I'm guessing the government will do some dictating on pricing to consumers.
3. He now has a similar authority to the USA wartime act which allows him to dictate production at privately owned manufacturing firms. Fortunately, several companies have already changed production. San Miguel (beer) is now producing hand sanitizer and disinfectant and wholesaling it at cost. Like the USA, beer is popular here so, that one company can produce the entire country's needs. Other companies like Coca-Cola, are donating their advertising budgets to hospitals.
We have an isolation island under construction by the Army. It's already capable of taking in patients but it's intent is if the hospitals become overcrowded so no patients at this time, just planning for a worst case scenario.
China has already sent free medical equipment and is likely to send more. The Philippines was one of only two countries to send medical supplies to Wutan in the early going and President Xi has said they won't forget that.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 26, 2020 23:28:23 GMT -5
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Post by swingingbunt on Mar 26, 2020 23:58:39 GMT -5
U.S.A! U.S.A! U.S.A!
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 27, 2020 1:18:23 GMT -5
It's starting to come out why China's numbers are so low and it's not they did an amazing job! They used a test like the first one the CDC used, with high false positive numbers. Some say as high as 40 to 50%. So they didn't count them unless they showed symptoms. Which most likely means you didn't get counted unless you were really bad, the 20% that needs to go to the hospital.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 27, 2020 2:01:55 GMT -5
Just thinking out loud here and I might be totally wrong but, there's no reason to believe our paper money isn't able to carry germs. We just microwaved all of ours (lol but be careful there).
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 28, 2020 13:22:05 GMT -5
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 28, 2020 14:08:13 GMT -5
He works for Trump so he'll defend him as long as he's his boss. The liberal media is insane, but it's also hard to completely trust his evaluation of his boss. For instance, I doubt he recommended we open up and pack churches on Easter. |
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Post by sdiaz1 on Mar 28, 2020 17:11:43 GMT -5
So the New York Times is biased and can't be trusted but that CNS is totally fair, reasonable and 100% trustworthy..... Let's just ignore the fact that it's chief Editor worked on Pat Buchanan's presidential campaign. Cool stuff. Enjoy sipping on your cool aide. |
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Post by telson13 on Mar 28, 2020 17:58:32 GMT -5
Just opened up this thread and this is the first post. We can call this Exhibit A of just how wrong and misguided people can be, that's the nice way of putting it. I know we aren't supposed to get political on here but I have a pretty good idea where this thought originated. My daughter is a critical care nurse and she calls me crying every day with worry about how badly prepared they are for this. Not enough ventilaters, not enough masks, spreading the virus in the hospital because of a lack of supplies. If I get going I might just get kicked off this site. All I know is that proper leadership and fore thought from the beginning would have helped a lot more than the lies. You mean to tell me that the Great America couldn't produce these things in less than a month. Yup we are making America great again for sure. And now all they can say is stop pointing fingers. I for one will not stop pointing fingers, the man has literally cost many many lives and they still support him as he said they would. November is coming and I don't plan on being quiet. What a load of crap that is. Here's Dr. Fauci: www.facebook.com/cnsnewscom/videos/213870806487888/Nah, here's Dr. Fauci. Don't confuse recognizing that him keeping his job is critically important or giving credit for a single instance of proper action with respect or support for the man: |
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Post by telson13 on Mar 28, 2020 18:06:33 GMT -5
Hey folks, second year PA student in Boston here. Stepping in to disagree strongly with essentially everything that Jimed has said. Please take this seriously, and for the love of god, let’s not politicize this issue of public health and safety. This is not about Democrats and Republicans. On major clarification: the main issue here is not the kill rate of the virus, though as has been stated here, it absolutely is a much more dangerous virus than the flu. The major issue is with the overcrowding of healthcare capacity due to this virus’s ability to spread through unknowing carriers. This has created a nearly exponential spread that hasn’t yet slowed down. Nearly 20% of cases require hospitalization, and at the current rate of spread, this means the demand for beds will push an already stretched system (and that’s under normal circumstances) beyond its capacity. There are a limited number of ventilators in this country. There are a limited number of protective masks and gloves. We are already seeing shortages. Most importantly, there are a limited number of doctors, nurses, PAs, NPs, lab technicians, and so on. That is the danger. If we run over capacity, people cannot get the treatment they need. It would be a devastating outcome. Stay inside as much as your work/needs allow, and as Dunne put so succinctly: wash your hands. Yeah, of closed cases worldwide the CFR is 18%. Estimates are from 18-50% of cases are asymptomatic, and testing is often only being done in high-risk cases. But the CFR is much closer to the 1918 influenza (2% US, 10% in India) than it is to swine flu (0.02%) or even the 1957 Asian flu (0.5%). HC capacity in this country can handle maybe 120-150K (at best) ICU beds. It's not just ventilators, it's MD/DOs, PAs, NPs, MD/DO residents, ICU nurses, respiratory therapists, etc. With 5-7% of cases requiring critical care, and half our country's beds full already (people still have cancer surgeries, heart attacks, flu, car accidents, etc), we can handle 1 million cases overall, with 60,000 needing critical care. After that, mortality goes to about 8% minimum, because every critical care case will die. Yeah, wash your hands, stay home, and write your congresspeople and US senators that we need to get PPE to workers. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 28, 2020 19:59:44 GMT -5
So the New York Times is biased and can't be trusted but that CNS is totally fair, reasonable and 100% trustworthy..... Let's just ignore the fact that it's chief Editor worked on Pat Buchanan's presidential campaign. Cool stuff. Enjoy sipping on your cool aide. Actually both sides news outlets in the USA have pretty much gone down the toilet. We've gone from having one of the best sources of information in the world to having one of the worst. There's no reporting anymore, only "journalism". Media news viewership across the board is in severe decline, as it should be. One other thing Trump got right, the media is the enemy of the people. I follow news sources from several countries. In no other country is this virus thing an exercise in finger pointing. It's destructive in a time when Americans should be working together, they continue to drive a wedge. For me, I trust Dr. Fauci the most, by far and accusations that he's cow towing to Trump are typical ignorant statements of denial. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 28, 2020 20:14:26 GMT -5
I would highly recommend following Reuters and Associated Press (AP) in twitter and/or Facebook. For the most part, you get the news, not the opinion.
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