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Tom Brady announces he's leaving New England
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Post by mobaz on Mar 17, 2020 7:55:27 GMT -5
Brady is gone, per his instragram and twitter. His football journey will be elsewhere. TOMMMYYYYYY WHYYYYYYYYYYY?
As for destination, TBD. Per yesterday
Evan Silva @evansilva 16h #Patriots beat reporter @mikereiss on free agent Tom Brady's destination:
"There's a place here (Foxboro) for Brady if he wants it. I'm starting to question if he really wants it."
Added #Bucs made an "aggressive initial offer" to TB12.
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Post by philarhody on Mar 17, 2020 8:10:22 GMT -5
I bet Belichick is excited about this.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 17, 2020 8:39:26 GMT -5
Made its own thread.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 17, 2020 9:03:32 GMT -5
No Mookie, No Tom, No sports being played. That's enough, bad things come in 3's. Sale will be healthy!!! I don't think they will be playing any time soon though, it could be a half season if anything at all. Silver lining, Sox resetting salary is happening at the perfect time.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 17, 2020 11:46:07 GMT -5
Feel like it'll be the Chargers.
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Post by mobaz on Mar 17, 2020 13:23:05 GMT -5
No, that makes it too real!!! Honestly, Belichick's letter about Tom was spectacular, and very un-Belichickian. No "Tom Brady was a football player who formerly played on the Patriots" malarky. He obviously appreciated their time and accomplishments together, and credited TB 12 for creating the Patriots culture, not buying in or being a passenger. I gotta hand it to Jeff Darlington, whoever he is, because he was on it from the beginning. Sounds like Tom was just ready for something different, and who can blame him. This is his only shot to see how the other side lives and build something on his own. Miss him already. I'll be interested to see if he's still measured when he talks to the press or if he'll be a little more open. Also a good start to set up a broadcasting career if that's what he wants.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 17, 2020 14:29:22 GMT -5
Dale Arnold is saying TB (Wait, how did I not see this as inevitable? ?)
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 17, 2020 14:33:36 GMT -5
I will miss Brady, wish him best of luck!
That being said is it wrong that I'm excited? Watching how Stidham had almost overnight chemistry with Meyers and how Brady never trusted him was eye opening. Brady wasn't the player that could take David Patten's and Rache Caldwell's and make them look great anymore. Heck it seems the final straw was we wouldn't trade for elite guys so he's leaving. Which is 100% fine. Kinda seems like a win win. Between his restructure, Browns dead money and Sanu is a big reason we don't have money to make moves.
I'm excited to see how Brady does on another team and I can't wait to see what Bill does.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 17, 2020 16:45:52 GMT -5
The report is TB to TB.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 18, 2020 2:18:12 GMT -5
lol to his "Always a Patriot". Ah, no Tom, it doesn't work that way.
On the other hand, I don't begrudge his chasing the dollars.
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Post by costpet on Mar 18, 2020 7:53:34 GMT -5
Now we go back to being an ordinary team with a lot of hope, but with little chance to win a Super Bowl. Sort of like most of the rest of the league.
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Post by mobaz on Mar 18, 2020 11:42:16 GMT -5
Now we go back to being an ordinary team with a lot of hope, but with little chance to win a Super Bowl. Sort of like most of the rest of the league. Jarrett Studham will save us all. IF I can figure out how to stop calling him Jason.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 18, 2020 23:15:53 GMT -5
Good see this coming from a mile away. I knew TB12 wasn't coming back. I was always surprised that people really thought he was coming back or that he even really wanted to come back. Perhaps if the money was there he would have or if he saw the team being drastically improved, but I can't say I blame him.
It really sucks to see a franchise player end up his career with another team. In a way that's like seeing Dwight Evans finish out his career with one last season in Baltimore after 20 in Boston, but as much as a Dewey fan I am, we're talking Tom Freaking Brady here - this is bigger and even sadder.
At this point all I can do is thank him for all of the wonderful memories he has given me. We'll never see the likes of him again.
What a terrible sports year it has been.
In February the Red Sox lose Mookie Betts, their franchise player.
In March the Patriots lose Tom Brady, their franchise player and the GOAT.
And worse, none of this even matters at this point given what else is going on in the world.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 20, 2020 10:34:20 GMT -5
Good see this coming from a mile away. I knew TB12 wasn't coming back. I was always surprised that people really thought he was coming back or that he even really wanted to come back. Perhaps if the money was there he would have or if he saw the team being drastically improved, but I can't say I blame him. It really sucks to see a franchise player end up his career with another team. In a way that's like seeing Dwight Evans finish out his career with one last season in Baltimore after 20 in Boston, but as much as a Dewey fan I am, we're talking Tom Freaking Brady here - this is bigger and even sadder. At this point all I can do is thank him for all of the wonderful memories he has given me. We'll never see the likes of him again. What a terrible sports year it has been. In February the Red Sox lose Mookie Betts, their franchise player. In March the Patriots lose Tom Brady, their franchise player and the GOAT. And worse, none of this even matters at this point given what else is going on in the world. Luckily sports have been canceled for the next year and a half. Hopefully Brady never gets to see a snap.
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Post by GyIantosca on Mar 26, 2020 15:15:04 GMT -5
In 2021 the patriots are getting 4 more picks, plus will have over 100 million in cap space. One more thing Deshawn Watson is pissed at the Texans and has one year left.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Mar 26, 2020 15:54:12 GMT -5
In 2021 the patriots are getting 4 more picks, plus will have over 100 million in cap space. One more thing Deshawn Watson is pissed at the Texans and has one year left. This has been a popular subject but the Texans have an option year for 2021 that will certainly be exercised. They can franchise him in 2022. The truth is Watson has no leverage to leave and the Texans can easily keep him for the next three seasons.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 28, 2020 18:50:19 GMT -5
In 2021 the patriots are getting 4 more picks, plus will have over 100 million in cap space. One more thing Deshawn Watson is pissed at the Texans and has one year left. This has been a popular subject but the Texans have an option year for 2021 that will certainly be exercised. They can franchise him in 2022. The truth is Watson has no leverage to leave and the Texans can easily keep him for the next three seasons. Hopkins was under contract for three years being paid money that was the 7th highest for a WRs and got traded because he was going to sit out and not report. If Watson really wants out he can get out, like what are the Texans going to do if he sits out games?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 28, 2020 20:36:38 GMT -5
This has been a popular subject but the Texans have an option year for 2021 that will certainly be exercised. They can franchise him in 2022. The truth is Watson has no leverage to leave and the Texans can easily keep him for the next three seasons. Hopkins was under contract for three years being paid money that was the 7th highest for a WRs and got traded because he was going to sit out and not report. If Watson really wants out he can get out, like what are the Texans going to do if he sits out games? I would absolutely lose my mind if the Patriots can get Deshaun Watson. After that horrific coaching job against KC. I would kick and scream my way out of town. I can't believe O'Brien wasn't fired by half-time, let alone still having a job.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Mar 28, 2020 20:49:03 GMT -5
Hopkins was under contract for three years being paid money that was the 7th highest for a WRs and got traded because he was going to sit out and not report. If Watson really wants out he can get out, like what are the Texans going to do if he sits out games? It just doesn't seem remotely plausible. Any decision to sit out requires him to come back during the season or his contract will just toll. What's he going to do, sit out and come back, do the same thing the following year, and then get dealt after the Texans franchise him? He'd lose game checks in the short term and it'd almost certainly cost him in the long term. His reputation would take a significant hit. And from the Texans perspective, what type of trade could they make if he's sitting out once camp starts? The draft will be over and the QB jobs will be filled, it'd make more sense to squat on his rights than deal him at that point. It's not logical timing for either side to make a trade or hold out. Yes, it's theoretically possible for Watson to crush his team and become completely uncooperative to force his way out of town, but I can't think of one non-rookie franchise QB to sit out. It'd be entirely unprecedented unless I'm forgetting someone. Comparing a WR like Hopkins to him just doesn't work. The Texans are in position to pay him, but they have no incentive to do it until the Mahomes contract is done. Watson should want him to set the market first too. If the Texans offer him the biggest non-Mahomes deal he has no incentive to leave. The Texans are extremely invested in Watson, and there's no reason to assume they won't pay him.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 29, 2020 6:02:39 GMT -5
Hopkins was under contract for three years being paid money that was the 7th highest for a WRs and got traded because he was going to sit out and not report. If Watson really wants out he can get out, like what are the Texans going to do if he sits out games? It just doesn't seem remotely plausible. Any decision to sit out requires him to come back during the season or his contract will just toll. What's he going to do, sit out and come back, do the same thing the following year, and then get dealt after the Texans franchise him? He'd lose game checks in the short term and it'd almost certainly cost him in the long term. His reputation would take a significant hit. And from the Texans perspective, what type of trade could they make if he's sitting out once camp starts? The draft will be over and the QB jobs will be filled, it'd make more sense to squat on his rights than deal him at that point. It's not logical timing for either side to make a trade or hold out. Yes, it's theoretically possible for Watson to crush his team and become completely uncooperative to force his way out of town, but I can't think of one non-rookie franchise QB to sit out. It'd be entirely unprecedented unless I'm forgetting someone. Comparing a WR like Hopkins to him just doesn't work. The Texans are in position to pay him, but they have no incentive to do it until the Mahomes contract is done. Watson should want him to set the market first too. If the Texans offer him the biggest non-Mahomes deal he has no incentive to leave. The Texans are extremely invested in Watson, and there's no reason to assume they won't pay him. What team has done what you are saying? Timing matters on the players part for sure, but if he wants out, they are going to move him and timing won't kill it. Just makes it harder, yet teams would line up to trade for him. Yeah he'll have to lose money or at least be ready to. You can't have the leader of your team request a trade, threatening to sit out and do nothing. You either get him to change his mind or move on. Dragging it out would hurt both sides. This isn't the Steelers and Bell. They couldn't get a massive haul of picks for him.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Mar 29, 2020 18:18:40 GMT -5
What team has done what you are saying? Timing matters on the players part for sure, but if he wants out, they are going to move him and timing won't kill it. Just makes it harder, yet teams would line up to trade for him. Yeah he'll have to lose money or at least be ready to. You can't have the leader of your team request a trade, threatening to sit out and do nothing. You either get him to change his mind or move on. Dragging it out would hurt both sides. This isn't the Steelers and Bell. They couldn't get a massive haul of picks for him. Like I said before, no quarterback has ever done what you're saying... no team has ever been in that position before. How would I find an example if no quarterback has held out like this? Forget a hold out: name the last franchise QB to publicly ask for a trade. The quarterbacks who've asked for trades wanted more playing time (like a Jimmy G or Foles situation), or got replaced (like Sam Bradford after Wentz). The only QB's to hold out were draftees signing rookie deals. You're suggesting the club would need to change his mind or deal him, and I agree, but they have plenty of time. Changing his mind would undoubtedly come through a contract extension. How can they change his mind if they immediately give in to his brand new trade demand? There's a difference between "dragging it out" and not immediately dealing your young franchise QB at his first request, especially given the current timing. What constitutes dragging it out, not reaching a deal within 30 days? The Texans couldn't extend him last year if they wanted to due to the CBA, and it would've made no sense to open this offseason by discussing his extension, that's something you do before or during camp. To have worthwhile contract discussions you'd at least have to go through this draft, and once this draft takes place it'll be even tougher to make a trade before the season starts. Since to my knowledge Watson hasn't done anything except quote Drake lyrics and be cryptic on social media, I doubt it'll come to this. If anything, the Hopkins trade gives them more flexibility to sign Watson to a huge deal. My main point is the Texans have more leverage here, they can control Watson for years to come. I don't see Watson trying to pull some watered down version of 2019 Antonio Brown to force his way out. He can sit out games, be a public malcontent, and he can even retire, but I don't consider self sabotage to be a credible or reasonable strategy. This is all distracting from my first point as it relates to the Patriots and Tom Brady: Watson is not a free agent at the end of the year, because the Texans will exercise his option for 2021. After that, they'll be able to franchise him. In the unlikely scenario they trade him in the next 12 months, I'd imagine the Patriots will be the last non-AFC South team they'll want to send him. It's outrageous that Watson is listed as the betting favorite to be the 2021 Patriots quarterback given the circumstances.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 29, 2020 19:46:41 GMT -5
What team has done what you are saying? Timing matters on the players part for sure, but if he wants out, they are going to move him and timing won't kill it. Just makes it harder, yet teams would line up to trade for him. Yeah he'll have to lose money or at least be ready to. You can't have the leader of your team request a trade, threatening to sit out and do nothing. You either get him to change his mind or move on. Dragging it out would hurt both sides. This isn't the Steelers and Bell. They couldn't get a massive haul of picks for him. Like I said before, no quarterback has ever done what you're saying... no team has ever been in that position before. How would I find an example if no quarterback has held out like this? Forget a hold out: name the last franchise QB to publicly ask for a trade. The quarterbacks who've asked for trades wanted more playing time (like a Jimmy G or Foles situation), or got replaced (like Sam Bradford after Wentz). The only QB's to hold out were draftees signing rookie deals. You're suggesting the club would need to change his mind or deal him, and I agree, but they have plenty of time. Changing his mind would undoubtedly come through a contract extension. How can they change his mind if they immediately give in to his brand new trade demand? There's a difference between "dragging it out" and not immediately dealing your young franchise QB at his first request, especially given the current timing. What constitutes dragging it out, not reaching a deal within 30 days? The Texans couldn't extend him last year if they wanted to due to the CBA, and it would've made no sense to open this offseason by discussing his extension, that's something you do before or during camp. To have worthwhile contract discussions you'd at least have to go through this draft, and once this draft takes place it'll be even tougher to make a trade before the season starts. Since to my knowledge Watson hasn't done anything except quote Drake lyrics and be cryptic on social media, I doubt it'll come to this. If anything, the Hopkins trade gives them more flexibility to sign Watson to a huge deal. My main point is the Texans have more leverage here, they can control Watson for years to come. I don't see Watson trying to pull some watered down version of 2019 Antonio Brown to force his way out. He can sit out games, be a public malcontent, and he can even retire, but I don't consider self sabotage to be a credible or reasonable strategy. This is all distracting from my first point as it relates to the Patriots and Tom Brady: Watson is not a free agent at the end of the year, because the Texans will exercise his option for 2021. After that, they'll be able to franchise him. In the unlikely scenario they trade him in the next 12 months, I'd imagine the Patriots will be the last non-AFC South team they'll want to send him. It's outrageous that Watson is listed as the betting favorite to be the 2021 Patriots quarterback given the circumstances. John Elway and Eli Manning. You don't see it much, because teams usually do everything they can to keep QBs happy. That doesn't mean players don't have leverage. I don't think it's likely, but if he wants out he can make it happen. This has nothing to do with the Patriots either, I'm just talking in general terms. We have no clue if Bill would even want him and I certainly don't see him paying some crazy price in trade.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Mar 29, 2020 23:03:12 GMT -5
Elway and Manning were draft prospects that hadn't signed their rookie deals yet. They were in a different situation than a QB in the middle of his rookie deal. If Burrows made a leverage play to avoid the Bengals it wouldn't be as shocking, because there's precedent with Elway and Eli. Watson can make it known he wants out, but to really force their hand in the short term he'd have to do something extreme, and that would hurt his own stock and reputation. Given Watson's reputation it doesn't seem very likely.
Back to Burrows, it's interesting to me that Mike Florio keeps speculating there's a chance Burrows doesn't want to play for the Bengals. A move at #1 would really change the mocks, I'd guess the Dolphins would be the favorites to trade up. It's still most likely Burrows will go to the Bengals, but this draft will be must watch television for many reasons (leading reason: there's no other live sports content).
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Post by marrcus on Feb 7, 2021 14:34:45 GMT -5
Well it comes down to this. I hope Tom does well tonight and doesn't have any int. or glaring errors. Should that happen I think TB is talented enough to make a game of it but I think the absence of their two S will hurt badly. I don't see Tampa winning without a couple of turnovers -at least- and if they played 4 times I think KC wins three. 27 -17 Chiefs. Good Luck Tom.
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Post by ematz1423 on Feb 7, 2021 15:03:11 GMT -5
Well it comes down to this. I hope Tom does well tonight and doesn't have any int. or glaring errors. Should that happen I think TB is talented enough to make a game of it but I think the absence of their two S will hurt badly. I don't see Tampa winning without a couple of turnovers -at least- and if they played 4 times I think KC wins three. 27 -17 Chiefs. Good Luck Tom.Both bucs safties are playing. Whitehead has a torn labrum so he's definitely limited.
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