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Chris Sale Undergoing Tommy John (3/19)
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Post by jclmontana on Mar 31, 2020 9:51:07 GMT -5
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 31, 2020 10:50:01 GMT -5
I honestly cannot believe people are actually upset about this? Is it simply just boredom and missing something to be mad about? I absolutely consider his surgery to be essential. I'd consider Severino or Thor to be essential as well. This is their livelihoods. It's not a nose job. If I needed elbow surgery, it wouldn't be essential unless it stopped my from typing, which I need for my job in IT. I'm not sure if this is the relative thread for this? Or are you sharing those links as a point against Chris Sale? I'm not sure what you're getting at here.
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Post by jclmontana on Mar 31, 2020 15:03:04 GMT -5
I honestly cannot believe people are actually upset about this? Is it simply just boredom and missing something to be mad about? I absolutely consider his surgery to be essential. I'd consider Severino or Thor to be essential as well. This is their livelihoods. It's not a nose job. If I needed elbow surgery, it wouldn't be essential unless it stopped my from typing, which I need for my job in IT. I'm not sure if this is the relative thread for this? Or are you sharing those links as a point against Chris Sale? I'm not sure what you're getting at here. 1.) Chris Sale is getting paid 145 million dollars over the next five years. Don’t talk to me about his livelihood. 2) Chris Sale has waited months and months to get this surgery. Waiting another month or 6 weeks will not affect the outcome of Surgery. 3.) all the people, equipment and supplies used to perform surgery on Chris Sale—the ventilator, the PPE, and the medical staff—are in very short supply all over the world. 4.) The Dr. Elattrache’s decision to keep his practice going is pretty gross. There are people literally dying for the lack of equipment that he is using so Chris Sale can pitch an additional 20 innings for the Red Sox next year. 5.) Be a fan, but get a fucking perspective.
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Post by cdj on Mar 31, 2020 15:27:07 GMT -5
Imagine being this mad about a surgery that literally has no impact on anybody
Couldn’t be me
It would be one thing if the surgery is in the heart of New York, but it wasn’t. So spare me the outrage.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 31, 2020 15:46:46 GMT -5
I honestly cannot believe people are actually upset about this? Is it simply just boredom and missing something to be mad about? I absolutely consider his surgery to be essential. I'd consider Severino or Thor to be essential as well. This is their livelihoods. It's not a nose job. If I needed elbow surgery, it wouldn't be essential unless it stopped my from typing, which I need for my job in IT. I'm not sure if this is the relative thread for this? Or are you sharing those links as a point against Chris Sale? I'm not sure what you're getting at here. 1.) Chris Sale is getting paid 145 million dollars over the next five years. Don’t talk to me about his livelihood. 2) Chris Sale has waited months and months to get this surgery. Waiting another month or 6 weeks will not affect the outcome of Surgery. 3.) all the people, equipment and supplies used to perform surgery on Chris Sale—the ventilator, the PPE, and the medical staff—are in very short supply all over the world. 4.) The Dr. Elattrache’s decision to keep his practice going is pretty gross. There are people literally dying for the lack of equipment that he is using so Chris Sale can pitch an additional 20 innings for the Red Sox next year. 5.) Be a fan, but get a fucking perspective. A. He's still unable to perform his job. Regardless of guaranteed income, he can't physically do his job without the surgery. B. Are we 100% certain there's no incentives such as IP? C. There are other bonuses like playing playoff games. D. There's also endorsements. Pedroia isn't going to get the same ad deals as Xander Bogaerts. If Sale isn't pitching for 2+ years, he's not going to get much in endorsements. E. The better Sale pitches throughout the remainder of his contract the more likely he'll get a better 1-2 year deal at the end of it. F. It drastically reduces his Hall of Fame odds. G. Chris Sale is already out of work because of this virus. You're asking him to extend his time off because without surgery, he can't perform. Maybe he genuinely likes going to work? H. It's a two-way street with his employer. If he's not able to perform then the team isn't going to be to utilize someone they're paying to do their job. Considering the amount of money they're already being asked to lose, I think it's fair ask to be able to get all their employees in proper working condition when they re-open. I. According to the poster above, the surgery didn't require ventilators or the N95 masks. J. Blame the government for the shortages, not the private clinic in LA. What do you think a private clinic in LA is going to provide for anyone, from surgeons who don't specialize in infectious diseases? K. Excuse me while I go get my essential cup of coffee from Dunkin Donuts before I go to an essential car dealership to get my car detailed and maybe look at a new car in the process. While I'm at it, I might have some essential cabinets replaced. It's a joke how many things are open that don't need to be, but instead of raging on that, this actually directly impacts the career and legacy of Chris Sale. I'd still support this if it were Luis Severino. What if we're out of this mess in 12 months? So, Chris Sale can't get surgery until 12 months from now? You've basically just ended his career. How many guys are good pitchers after missing 3 years? The state of MA just declared a stay at home advisory until May 4. You ever notice how they always preface these with, "at least until". That means May 4th is best-case scenario. What I will grant you, is this should have been done long ago. It's interesting how he's had this looked at a few times since last year and was supposedly going to test out the elbow and how everything seemed to be fine, and then they realized the season was likely over and then ended up getting the surgery. Now, maybe they've been following doctors orders to a T throughout, but it's very interesting timing and what was said before and how it just happened all of a sudden. Then of course Noah Syndergaard decided to get TJ right after as well.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 31, 2020 17:09:28 GMT -5
1.) Chris Sale is getting paid 145 million dollars over the next five years. Don’t talk to me about his livelihood. 2) Chris Sale has waited months and months to get this surgery. Waiting another month or 6 weeks will not affect the outcome of Surgery. 3.) all the people, equipment and supplies used to perform surgery on Chris Sale—the ventilator, the PPE, and the medical staff—are in very short supply all over the world. 4.) The Dr. Elattrache’s decision to keep his practice going is pretty gross. There are people literally dying for the lack of equipment that he is using so Chris Sale can pitch an additional 20 innings for the Red Sox next year. 5.) Be a fan, but get a fucking perspective. A. He's still unable to perform his job. Regardless of guaranteed income, he can't physically do his job without the surgery. B. Are we 100% certain there's no incentives such as IP? C. There are other bonuses like playing playoff games. D. There's also endorsements. Pedroia isn't going to get the same ad deals as Xander Bogaerts. If Sale isn't pitching for 2+ years, he's not going to get much in endorsements. E. The better Sale pitches throughout the remainder of his contract the more likely he'll get a better 1-2 year deal at the end of it. F. It drastically reduces his Hall of Fame odds. G. Chris Sale is already out of work because of this virus. You're asking him to extend his time off because without surgery, he can't perform. Maybe he genuinely likes going to work? H. It's a two-way street with his employer. If he's not able to perform then the team isn't going to be to utilize someone they're paying to do their job. Considering the amount of money they're already being asked to lose, I think it's fair ask to be able to get all their employees in proper working condition when they re-open. I. According to the poster above, the surgery didn't require ventilators or the N95 masks. J. Blame the government for the shortages, not the private clinic in LA. What do you think a private clinic in LA is going to provide for anyone, from surgeons who don't specialize in infectious diseases? K. Excuse me while I go get my essential cup of coffee from Dunkin Donuts before I go to an essential car dealership to get my car detailed and maybe look at a new car in the process. While I'm at it, I might have some essential cabinets replaced. It's a joke how many things are open that don't need to be, but instead of raging on that, this actually directly impacts the career and legacy of Chris Sale. I'd still support this if it were Luis Severino. What if we're out of this mess in 12 months? So, Chris Sale can't get surgery until 12 months from now? You've basically just ended his career. How many guys are good pitchers after missing 3 years? The state of MA just declared a stay at home advisory until May 4. You ever notice how they always preface these with, "at least until". That means May 4th is best-case scenario. What I will grant you, is this should have been done long ago. It's interesting how he's had this looked at a few times since last year and was supposedly going to test out the elbow and how everything seemed to be fine, and then they realized the season was likely over and then ended up getting the surgery. Now, maybe they've been following doctors orders to a T throughout, but it's very interesting timing and what was said before and how it just happened all of a sudden. Then of course Noah Syndergaard decided to get TJ right after as well. Argument I is the only relevant argument in my opinion. I have no idea what is required to have TJ surgery. I have no idea if the surgery was taking away from others with a lot more serious condition or not so I have no argument either way. If it's doing anything to prevent somebody in need from getting what is needed, then the surgery should not have been done. Period. If it has zero impact then that would be a different story. As far as the financial implications, please give me a break. He has $145 million coming his way and has already earned millions upon millions. He's not somebody who is out of work and cannot pay his bills because of the coronavirus. He won't go broke anytime soon which is not a true statement for a lot of people dealing with the financial and medical ramifications of this awful pandemic. Whether Chris Sale loses a year or not really isn't that big a deal if it's disrupting others from getting the medical care they need. Again, I'm not educated enough about what TJS requires to argue either way. I'm just pointing out that the financial ramifications for a Chris Sale are the least of anybody's worries. I'm a hardworking paycheck to paycheck guy- even before the coronavirus, so hearing about potential financial losses for guys who make more than I could ever dream of making doesn't do much to move the needle for me in a debate. Again, nothing personal at all here. Just the points about Sale's potential earnings just don't mean a helluva lot at this point.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 31, 2020 17:55:45 GMT -5
A. He's still unable to perform his job. Regardless of guaranteed income, he can't physically do his job without the surgery. B. Are we 100% certain there's no incentives such as IP? C. There are other bonuses like playing playoff games. D. There's also endorsements. Pedroia isn't going to get the same ad deals as Xander Bogaerts. If Sale isn't pitching for 2+ years, he's not going to get much in endorsements. E. The better Sale pitches throughout the remainder of his contract the more likely he'll get a better 1-2 year deal at the end of it. F. It drastically reduces his Hall of Fame odds. G. Chris Sale is already out of work because of this virus. You're asking him to extend his time off because without surgery, he can't perform. Maybe he genuinely likes going to work? H. It's a two-way street with his employer. If he's not able to perform then the team isn't going to be to utilize someone they're paying to do their job. Considering the amount of money they're already being asked to lose, I think it's fair ask to be able to get all their employees in proper working condition when they re-open. I. According to the poster above, the surgery didn't require ventilators or the N95 masks. J. Blame the government for the shortages, not the private clinic in LA. What do you think a private clinic in LA is going to provide for anyone, from surgeons who don't specialize in infectious diseases? K. Excuse me while I go get my essential cup of coffee from Dunkin Donuts before I go to an essential car dealership to get my car detailed and maybe look at a new car in the process. While I'm at it, I might have some essential cabinets replaced. It's a joke how many things are open that don't need to be, but instead of raging on that, this actually directly impacts the career and legacy of Chris Sale. I'd still support this if it were Luis Severino. What if we're out of this mess in 12 months? So, Chris Sale can't get surgery until 12 months from now? You've basically just ended his career. How many guys are good pitchers after missing 3 years? The state of MA just declared a stay at home advisory until May 4. You ever notice how they always preface these with, "at least until". That means May 4th is best-case scenario. What I will grant you, is this should have been done long ago. It's interesting how he's had this looked at a few times since last year and was supposedly going to test out the elbow and how everything seemed to be fine, and then they realized the season was likely over and then ended up getting the surgery. Now, maybe they've been following doctors orders to a T throughout, but it's very interesting timing and what was said before and how it just happened all of a sudden. Then of course Noah Syndergaard decided to get TJ right after as well. Argument I is the only relevant argument in my opinion. I have no idea what is required to have TJ surgery. I have no idea if the surgery was taking away from others with a lot more serious condition or not so I have no argument either way. If it's doing anything to prevent somebody in need from getting what is needed, then the surgery should not have been done. Period. If it has zero impact then that would be a different story. As far as the financial implications, please give me a break. He has $145 million coming his way and has already earned millions upon millions. He's not somebody who is out of work and cannot pay his bills because of the coronavirus. He won't go broke anytime soon which is not a true statement for a lot of people dealing with the financial and medical ramifications of this awful pandemic. Whether Chris Sale loses a year or not really isn't that big a deal if it's disrupting others from getting the medical care they need. Again, I'm not educated enough about what TJS requires to argue either way. I'm just pointing out that the financial ramifications for a Chris Sale are the least of anybody's worries. I'm a hardworking paycheck to paycheck guy- even before the coronavirus, so hearing about potential financial losses for guys who make more than I could ever dream of making doesn't do much to move the needle for me in a debate. Again, nothing personal at all here. Just the points about Sale's potential earnings just don't mean a helluva lot at this point. I don't take it personally. I understand he's likely made more than I'll ever make in a lifetime after just 1 game. It doesn't mean his future earning power needs to be crippled over waiting when his surgery likely didn't negatively impact anything. There's also the potential to impact his baseball legacy. He got the surgery in LA, not an epicenter like NY. If Chris Sale gets it now, he likely plays again next year. If we're asking him to wait until this is over, there's a chance he doesn't play again until 2023. He might as well call it a career at that point. It's prohibitive of him performing his job. Until we're in super lockdown mode where me getting Starbucks isn't considered an essential service then career altering surgery is ok on my list. He didn't get a nose job. He got it so that he could be effective at his work. It's the difference if I wanted to get elbow surgery vs him. Now, there's been 3,011 Coronavirus cases in LA to date. That's compared to NYC where they have 75,000 or even Boston with 6,620. If there was any reports of shortages in the areas I'd be more inclined to agree and that's assuming they even used any of the same equipment to ward off infectious disease.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Mar 31, 2020 20:40:11 GMT -5
4 southern counties governor Desantis announced today went into lockdown. He announced 59% of statewide cases of the virus were within those counties. Could Sale go to another county, even tho "medical" is one of the exempted reasons for violating those county wide quarantines is another question.
Elective surgery is still elective surgery, making tens of millions or not, tho we know the rich live and play by different rules than do us commoners.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Mar 31, 2020 21:58:26 GMT -5
How bout the money the surgery put into the health care system. Should prob pay for some of that equipment that’s needed no???
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Post by cdj on Mar 31, 2020 22:02:32 GMT -5
4 southern counties governor Desantis announced today went into lockdown. He announced 59% of statewide cases of the virus were within those counties. Could Sale go to another county, even tho "medical" is one of the exempted reasons for violating those county wide quarantines is another question. Elective surgery is still elective surgery, making tens of millions or not, tho we know the rich live and play by different rules than do us commoners. I believe he had the surgery in LA if it was at Dr. ElAttrache’s office
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Post by gerry on Apr 1, 2020 4:28:54 GMT -5
I get all the anger. But please understand. With my age and underlying conditions, I have a CoVid 19 bullseye on my back. I retired from the medical profession, from a medical center. My wife is still in it and she and my granddaughter and many, many good friends are up to their eyeballs in CoVid. It is beyond frightening to me. And it is infuriating how this crisis continues to be mishandled and electioneered by this administration. The disgraceful stories are all true. Shortages everywhere are taking lives. Neither I nor still working colleagues have been tested and don’t expect to be.
Meanwhile, Chris Sale, as affirmed by three docs, NEEDED this surgery. It was not a face lift or tummy tuck. The surgery did NOT interfere with hospital care, or the preparations for the COMING surge in LA. It was performed in one of LA’s many small, private, specialty clinics which won’t be tapped for CoVid use except as a last resort. Certainly not now. Surgical masks, not N95 were worn. No ventilators used. Hospitals and medical centers, meanwhile, are not doing non-essentials, and that’s the way it should be.
California, thanks to our proximity to Governor Inslee’s response and Governor Cuomo’s war, was able to prepare and coordinate a max response on the fly. Governor Newsom, Mayor Garcetti and health departments throughout the state have worked together to slow this thing. Most Californians have actually been staying home for weeks. A massive push to get the vulnerable homeless off the streets for treatment and distancing includes buying and commandeering and outfitting hotels, motels, community centers. Nursing homes were put on notice. Yet, while Deven Nunes was urging his NorCal constituents ignore CoVid and ‘take your family out to dinner’, and some senior communities and resorts in SoCal were convinced it was a hoax ... and account for large clusters of reported cases and deaths. But all that has stopped.
Closed hospitals have been re-opened and staffed. Some 25,000 retired docs and nursing staff have enlisted in the governor’s volunteer medical core to support the current medical community. Every SoCal hospital seems to have CoVid treatment and isolation areas in their parking lots, though test kits are still few and far between. Places like the LA Convention Center and Fairgrounds are by now fully operational medical facilities. And finally, the thousand bed medical ship Mercy finally arrived in LA Harbor and will take care of non virus patients. That’s just the broad strokes. We expect to be hammered. We have too many without insurance, ICE has driven thousands of Green Card neighbors underground, we have lots of seniors. But our politicians, health care systems, volunteers and even bureaucrats have worked together and well and we are as prepared as we can be. So please cut Chris Sale and his doctor and his clinic and the Red Sox a break. If you want to worry about the rich getting richer check out what the EPA is covertly doing with private lands, or track who 25% of that 2 trillion relief package goes to. Pardon the rant.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 1, 2020 5:14:06 GMT -5
I get all the anger. But please understand. With my age and underlying conditions, I have a CoVid 19 bullseye on my back. I retired from the medical profession, from a medical center. My wife is still in it and she and my granddaughter and many, many good friends are up to their eyeballs in CoVid. It is beyond frightening to me. And it is infuriating how this crisis continues to be mishandled and electioneered by this administration. The disgraceful stories are all true. Shortages everywhere are taking lives. Neither I nor still working colleagues have been tested and don’t expect to be. Meanwhile, Chris Sale, as affirmed by three docs, NEEDED this surgery. It was not a face lift or tummy tuck. The surgery did NOT interfere with hospital care, or the preparations for the COMING surge in LA. It was performed in one of LA’s many small, private, specialty clinics which won’t be tapped for CoVid use except as a last resort. Certainly not now. Surgical masks, not N95 were worn. No ventilators used. Hospitals and medical centers, meanwhile, are not doing non-essentials, and that’s the way it should be. California, thanks to our proximity to Governor Inslee’s response and Governor Cuomo’s war, was able to prepare and coordinate a max response on the fly. Governor Newsom, Mayor Garcetti and health departments throughout the state have worked together to slow this thing. Most Californians have actually been staying home for weeks. A massive push to get the vulnerable homeless off the streets for treatment and distancing includes buying and commandeering and outfitting hotels, motels, community centers. Nursing homes were put on notice. Yet, while Deven Nunes was urging his NorCal constituents ignore CoVid and ‘take your family out to dinner’, and some senior communities and resorts in SoCal were convinced it was a hoax ... and account for large clusters of reported cases and deaths. But all that has stopped. Closed hospitals have been re-opened and staffed. Some 25,000 retired docs and nursing staff have enlisted in the governor’s volunteer medical core to support the current medical community. Every SoCal hospital seems to have CoVid treatment and isolation areas in their parking lots, though test kits are still few and far between. Places like the LA Convention Center and Fairgrounds are by now fully operational medical facilities. And finally, the thousand bed medical ship Mercy finally arrived in LA Harbor and will take care of non virus patients. That’s just the broad strokes. We expect to be hammered. We have too many without insurance, ICE has driven thousands of Green Card neighbors underground, we have lots of seniors. But our politicians, health care systems, volunteers and even bureaucrats have worked together and well and we are as prepared as we can be. So please cut Chris Sale and his doctor and his clinic and the Red Sox a break. If you want to worry about the rich getting richer check out what the EPA is covertly doing with private lands, or track who 25% of that 2 trillion relief package goes to. Pardon the rant. Easily the most informative post in this thread. Rant on.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Apr 1, 2020 6:16:04 GMT -5
I get all the anger. But please understand. With my age and underlying conditions, I have a CoVid 19 bullseye on my back. I retired from the medical profession, from a medical center. My wife is still in it and she and my granddaughter and many, many good friends are up to their eyeballs in CoVid. It is beyond frightening to me. And it is infuriating how this crisis continues to be mishandled and electioneered by this administration. The disgraceful stories are all true. Shortages everywhere are taking lives. Neither I nor still working colleagues have been tested and don’t expect to be. Meanwhile, Chris Sale, as affirmed by three docs, NEEDED this surgery. It was not a face lift or tummy tuck. The surgery did NOT interfere with hospital care, or the preparations for the COMING surge in LA. It was performed in one of LA’s many small, private, specialty clinics which won’t be tapped for CoVid use except as a last resort. Certainly not now. Surgical masks, not N95 were worn. No ventilators used. Hospitals and medical centers, meanwhile, are not doing non-essentials, and that’s the way it should be. California, thanks to our proximity to Governor Inslee’s response and Governor Cuomo’s war, was able to prepare and coordinate a max response on the fly. Governor Newsom, Mayor Garcetti and health departments throughout the state have worked together to slow this thing. Most Californians have actually been staying home for weeks. A massive push to get the vulnerable homeless off the streets for treatment and distancing includes buying and commandeering and outfitting hotels, motels, community centers. Nursing homes were put on notice. Yet, while Deven Nunes was urging his NorCal constituents ignore CoVid and ‘take your family out to dinner’, and some senior communities and resorts in SoCal were convinced it was a hoax ... and account for large clusters of reported cases and deaths. But all that has stopped. Closed hospitals have been re-opened and staffed. Some 25,000 retired docs and nursing staff have enlisted in the governor’s volunteer medical core to support the current medical community. Every SoCal hospital seems to have CoVid treatment and isolation areas in their parking lots, though test kits are still few and far between. Places like the LA Convention Center and Fairgrounds are by now fully operational medical facilities. And finally, the thousand bed medical ship Mercy finally arrived in LA Harbor and will take care of non virus patients. That’s just the broad strokes. We expect to be hammered. We have too many without insurance, ICE has driven thousands of Green Card neighbors underground, we have lots of seniors. But our politicians, health care systems, volunteers and even bureaucrats have worked together and well and we are as prepared as we can be. So please cut Chris Sale and his doctor and his clinic and the Red Sox a break. If you want to worry about the rich getting richer check out what the EPA is covertly doing with private lands, or track who 25% of that 2 trillion relief package goes to. Pardon the rant. Easily the most informative post in this thread. Rant on. Agree. Florida was filled with young morons from all around the country until couple weeks back insisting on flooding many beaches with their supposed spring break madness, until several of those traditional places were closed and now in S/Florida we see outbreaks there of the virus and how many cases returned to wherever in the hell all those people came from. I do have a question regarding California and it's medical situation.. It now seems, according to Gerry to be on target in the south to fight this disease. Will it be equipped next time the black plaque breaks out in city hall and elsewhere as it did earlier in 2019? plaque1 is just as deadly as the other, tho 1 was isolated to 1 state.
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Post by gerry on Apr 1, 2020 11:52:36 GMT -5
Johnsilver. That plague info is amazing. Thanks for sharing. The plague is an annual threat in remote locations in the southwest, from prairie dogs. I live in one of soCal’s rural fruit producing areas and hungry rats can be an issue; and gophers (ratas de la Tierra or earth rats) are a bigger problem than I have ever seen. The body and food waste of 150,000 homeless crowding urban streets is attractive to rats. Something else to worry about, which may be a good thing these days ... something simple like the plague. Bad joke.
IMO it was the Bay Area which led the stay at home lockdown charge against the virus. It Closed the area in a coordinated effort, from SFO down the peninsula to San Jose and back up the other side beyond Oakland. the graphs of cases and deaths vs the rest of California and the rest of the USA and world continue to show relative success. This, even while the same type of spring break morons were clogging SoCal beaches and hiking trails. LA County and city quickly followed suite, As eventually did OC and San Diego, and Governor Newsom and his leadership group crisscrossed the state following the lockdown ... which Nunes and crew still object to, most recently squealing that school closures are “overkill”.
California is trying to stay ahead of the problem, but still no tests. Example: the desert town of Hemet’s health personnel rehearsed a drive thru testing site this week but only had 26 tests on hand. They plan to be back with more but making an appointment is required. Effort and co-ordination are in place in the state while, sadly, my beloved Florida is being led by a fool tool. I am so sorry.
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Post by gerry on Apr 1, 2020 12:17:17 GMT -5
Sorry to go so far off topic, but Chris Sale and the Sox issue needed some context. But also consider that In terms of baseball, California supports 5 MLB teams: Padres, Dodgers, Angels, A’s and Giants and more miLB and Independent league teams than I can name. A half day ride East is not only the D’backs but half of Spring Training, AFL and Pedroia. Dare I mention the dozen more major pro sports teams from Chargers and Sharks to Suns and Warriors? The point is that a return to sports will require a healthy CA and AZ. What will happen if MLB and AZ (and The 8 teams from Ca, AZ, Colo and WA) are ready to re-start ST, but beautiful south Florida and the Midwest are still fighting CoVid. Can ST even happen? End of season?
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Post by wcsoxfan on Apr 1, 2020 12:48:14 GMT -5
Sorry to go so far off topic, but Chris Sale and the Sox issue needed some context. But also consider that In terms of baseball, California supports 5 MLB teams: Padres, Dodgers, Angels, A’s and Giants and more miLB and Independent league teams than I can name. A half day ride East is not only the D’backs but half of Spring Training, AFL and Pedroia. Dare I mention the dozen more major pro sports teams from Chargers and Sharks to Suns and Warriors? The point is that a return to sports will require a healthy CA and AZ. What will happen if MLB and AZ (and The 8 teams from Ca, AZ, Colo and WA) are ready to re-start ST, but beautiful south Florida and the Midwest are still fighting CoVid. Can ST even happen? End of season? I think this leads into another complicated question: At what point has the COVID-19 virus been 'contained enough' that we can reopen restaurants? Movie theaters? Continue playing sports? Full stadiums to watch sports? On the surface this seems like a basic cost vs human life question (I know it sounds bad to put a dollar value on a life, but this is common practice in many public and private fields), but the more complicated question which we may struggle with is how many lives are risked from the loss of support for the social distancing and quarantining when the populace had chosen it has gone on too long despite health professional's urges to remain home (the push will likely come from politicians looking for political support). Hopefully we get to a point within the next couple of months where we have passed the presumed peak and we have enough healthcare workers and equipment to cover a slight increase in cases, which will allow us to begin reopening some of the closed businesses - including baseball (but likely without fans to begin with).
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Post by johnsilver52 on Apr 1, 2020 14:36:43 GMT -5
Thank you Gerry. After read an article regarding an outbreak, or some rats in LA having it in 2019, I couldn't believe it and found articles that was being fostered by.. piles of rubbish, but figured that couldn't be all there was to it. Nowhere did those old articles say it was recurring to the desert areas.
FWIW.. Governor DeSantis has locked down the state as of Thursday at midnight. Announced by him earlier today. Need food? 1 person only goes.. No more take the entire crew along.
it's getting serious finally in Florida.
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Post by dirtdog on Apr 2, 2020 21:20:41 GMT -5
How bored are we? I am glad Sale got this done. Probably should have been done after the 2018 WS.
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Post by blizzards39 on Apr 3, 2020 22:31:17 GMT -5
How bored are we? I am glad Sale got this done. Probably should have been done after the 2018 WS. Agreed. And he’d be al ramped up right now and ready to go
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 3, 2020 23:58:06 GMT -5
Sorry to go so far off topic, but Chris Sale and the Sox issue needed some context. But also consider that In terms of baseball, California supports 5 MLB teams: Padres, Dodgers, Angels, A’s and Giants and more miLB and Independent league teams than I can name. A half day ride East is not only the D’backs but half of Spring Training, AFL and Pedroia. Dare I mention the dozen more major pro sports teams from Chargers and Sharks to Suns and Warriors? The point is that a return to sports will require a healthy CA and AZ. What will happen if MLB and AZ (and The 8 teams from Ca, AZ, Colo and WA) are ready to re-start ST, but beautiful south Florida and the Midwest are still fighting CoVid. Can ST even happen? End of season? Holy nuts I think the season is legit toast.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on May 19, 2020 11:16:14 GMT -5
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Post by danr on May 22, 2020 2:08:02 GMT -5
I didn't like the extension because I don't like signing pitchers in their 30s to long term contracts. However, this guy is such a class act, I can be persuaded that this might work out.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 14, 2021 9:59:43 GMT -5
Chris Cotillo reporting that Sale is expected to throw off of a mound in the next two weeks. That's a solid milestone in the rehab back from TJ. Hopefully he keeps progressing nicely and we see vintage Sale back in the rotation at some point this season.
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Post by blizzards39 on Feb 18, 2021 16:10:32 GMT -5
Great interview with Sale. Access it on mlb or Red Sox.com. Sounds like the neck issue is behind him and he’s real excited.
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Post by Jimmy on Feb 18, 2021 16:40:45 GMT -5
Great interview with Sale. Access it on mlb or Red Sox.com. Sounds like the neck issue is behind him and he’s real excited. Fwiw it also seems like he’s been set back about a month due to having COVID and the neck injury.
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