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Post by Guidas on May 13, 2020 21:46:52 GMT -5
The 4 main rotation pitchers in 2018 were sales, price, Porcello and Erod. Price was the only one not traded for. He got a HUGE contract. Probably lucky in one respect that the dodgers will get stuck paying the last 2 or 3 years of that deal. Then add in Kimbrel. Both the sale and the Kimbrel trades got the intended results of a WS win, but probably paid a little too much for both. My main point is that Tampa has had over the last several years good homegrown pitching. I hope that Bloom brings some of that to the sox. I guess I will rationalize the trades as Espinoza I am not sure is still in baseball. Kopech is kind of in no man's land with TJ surgery. Allen has flipped between AAA and the majors. So the sox probably got the better value when all is said and done. Moncada is at a fork in the road for me. Was last year his career year and he reverts back to his old self. Does he adjust to the changes the league will make with him. I wish him the best. and hope he is an all-star. There is always risks with trading, but at this stage I think the sox made out pretty well. Can Groome, Mata or Houck step up and become a good major league pitcher ala Hurst, Boyd, and Clemens? I still have faith in Groome. Only one of those three who looks like he could be consistently more than a #3. This would’ve been a big year for him developmentally. At least he can use the time to continue to get stronger.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 15, 2020 9:01:50 GMT -5
Have you read the pieces in this series? There are surely positions of weakness (middle infield, catcher, high minors pitching), but the corner infield and low minors pitching surprised me with how strong they were. Yes I believe you’re looking at the pitching with those famous “rose colored glasses”. I really hope i’m wrong. (I do like Shugart more then most, I think he is a future MLB Bullpen piece) I'm pretty sure more people would call me a pessimist, but I guess if I'm getting called both, I'm doing it right! I never said it was a strong system or anything, but when you have Casas and Dalbec on the corner as a top 80-ish guy and a top 120-ish guy, and look in the low minors to see a pretty intriguing assemblage of interesting arms, I think that those are positives. On the other hand, there's a dearth of even potential MLB catching and the lack of high minors pitching or middle infield depth at all is fairly obvious even before it was clear those were the areas the club attempted to address in the Betts trade. And to be clear, the question that you bolded was directed to you because you'd referred to the all-star polls but hadn't mentioned the articles that we've been going over. Just seemed interesting that the much deeper dives we'd taken into the positions didn't affect your opinion as much as the polls. All good!
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 31, 2020 17:09:00 GMT -5
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Post by borisman on May 31, 2020 18:11:41 GMT -5
Is Machamer still on a team? I thought he was on the "cutting room floor"...literally.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 1, 2020 8:40:03 GMT -5
I was late in posting this. We posted it last Tuesday and he got cut on Friday.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 26, 2020 15:41:49 GMT -5
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 26, 2020 20:57:51 GMT -5
Ok that might be our ranking in corner infielders vid a vis where we are likely strongest as a system. But where are we ranked at other positions and in pitching? Most importantly, where is the system ranked overall?
I would bet even following the draft, FA pickups and supplementation from the Betts trade that we are still on the lower third of team rankings.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 26, 2020 23:55:20 GMT -5
This thread is about a series that looked at the system position by position, and happened to note that the system had pretty good talent on the corners, which this corroborates.
You're projecting a point in the post he wasn't making. Either that or jumping in with a point that nobody was taking about.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 27, 2020 8:02:27 GMT -5
This thread is about a series that looked at the system position by position, and happened to note that the system had pretty good talent on the corners, which this corroborates. You're projecting a point in the post he wasn't making. Either that or jumping in with a point that nobody was taking about. Ha! Maybe both....my late night bad.
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Post by azblue on Jun 27, 2020 10:29:55 GMT -5
Baseball America's updated, post-draft top 100 has three Red Sox players. Triston Casas is 77, Bobby Dalbec is 85 and Jeter Downs is 95. Baseball America Top 100 prospects
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Post by caseytins on Jun 27, 2020 13:13:33 GMT -5
Baseball America's updated, post-draft top 100 has three Red Sox players. Triston Casas is 77, Bobby Dalbec is 85 and Jeter Downs is 95. Baseball America Top 100 prospectsBA also has 5 guys: Duran, Groome, Mata, Jimenez, and Darwinzon (still a prospect for them?) that they mention just missed the top 100, but would be ranked in the top 150.
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Post by fdrnewdeal on Jun 27, 2020 16:50:36 GMT -5
Kinda shocked by Groome there. I'm a huge fan, but he sort of has to get reps to warrant that type of consideration, I'd think.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 27, 2020 17:34:46 GMT -5
Baseball America's updated, post-draft top 100 has three Red Sox players. Triston Casas is 77, Bobby Dalbec is 85 and Jeter Downs is 95. Baseball America Top 100 prospectsBA also has 5 guys: Duran, Groome, Mata, Jimenez, and Darwinzon (still a prospect for them?) that they mention just missed the top 100, but would be ranked in the top 150. Got a link? Haven't seen this.
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Post by caseytins on Jun 27, 2020 18:13:08 GMT -5
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Post by caseytins on Jun 27, 2020 18:15:08 GMT -5
www.baseballamerica.com/stories/10-prospects-we-hope-have-a-healthy-2020/Another link with info on Groome. I usually stay away from sharing links that have paid content. Not sure of the rules. BA has also updated the rankings for the top 30 prospects. "The Red Sox were thrilled in 2016 when Groome, a New Jersey prep product who was considered one of the best pitching prospects in the class, fell into their laps with the 12th overall pick. He’s pitched just 66 innings since then, however, and missed the entire 2018 season recovering from Tommy John surgery. Groome got back on the mound in 2019, albeit for just four innings. Still, scouts who saw him in the New York-Penn League reported the same combination of plus fastball and curveball that made him so coveted as an amateur as well as a potentially above-average changeup. The lefthander has missed plenty of developmental time but is still just 21 years old. A strong 2020 could remind everyone why he still belongs in the conversation of the highest-ceiling lefties in the game."
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 28, 2020 10:30:12 GMT -5
This is from January, fyi, as is the other link.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 28, 2020 14:40:27 GMT -5
What Chris means is that the numbers have been largely re-shuffled now that the latest draft is in the can. The top 100 has changed since that time, as has the remainder of their rankings no doubt.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 28, 2020 15:32:25 GMT -5
www.baseballamerica.com/stories/10-prospects-we-hope-have-a-healthy-2020/Another link with info on Groome. I usually stay away from sharing links that have paid content. Not sure of the rules. BA has also updated the rankings for the top 30 prospects. "The Red Sox were thrilled in 2016 when Groome, a New Jersey prep product who was considered one of the best pitching prospects in the class, fell into their laps with the 12th overall pick. He’s pitched just 66 innings since then, however, and missed the entire 2018 season recovering from Tommy John surgery. Groome got back on the mound in 2019, albeit for just four innings. Still, scouts who saw him in the New York-Penn League reported the same combination of plus fastball and curveball that made him so coveted as an amateur as well as a potentially above-average changeup. The lefthander has missed plenty of developmental time but is still just 21 years old. A strong 2020 could remind everyone why he still belongs in the conversation of the highest-ceiling lefties in the game." I remember the single game saw him pitch his 1st year in pro ball how nasty the curve was when he used it, but scouts saying his FB is plus? i remember back then it was 91-3mph.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 15:42:04 GMT -5
This might be the only season where they're only playing 60 games I wouldn't mind seeing the Red Sox in the top 10 draft next year and adding Brady House, RHP/IF, Winder-Barrow HS GA to the system. They have no shot at Kumar Rocker, RHP, Vanderbilt or Jack Leiter, RHP, Vanderbilt, but Brady should fall between 6 through 15 next years draft. Way to early to judge these prospects but you get my point a nice young RHP phenom.
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Post by caseytins on Jun 28, 2020 16:24:47 GMT -5
What Chris means is that the numbers have been largely re-shuffled now that the latest draft is in the can. The top 100 has changed since that time, as has the remainder of their rankings no doubt. I agree, but the links have been updated recently. These are updated since January. BA is still updating their rankings since the 2020 draft.
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Post by caseytins on Jun 28, 2020 16:30:16 GMT -5
www.baseballamerica.com/stories/10-prospects-we-hope-have-a-healthy-2020/Another link with info on Groome. I usually stay away from sharing links that have paid content. Not sure of the rules. BA has also updated the rankings for the top 30 prospects. "The Red Sox were thrilled in 2016 when Groome, a New Jersey prep product who was considered one of the best pitching prospects in the class, fell into their laps with the 12th overall pick. He’s pitched just 66 innings since then, however, and missed the entire 2018 season recovering from Tommy John surgery. Groome got back on the mound in 2019, albeit for just four innings. Still, scouts who saw him in the New York-Penn League reported the same combination of plus fastball and curveball that made him so coveted as an amateur as well as a potentially above-average changeup. The lefthander has missed plenty of developmental time but is still just 21 years old. A strong 2020 could remind everyone why he still belongs in the conversation of the highest-ceiling lefties in the game." I remember the single game saw him pitch his 1st year in pro ball how nasty the curve was when he used it, but scouts saying his FB is plus? i remember back then it was 91-3mph. The last time I saw him, he appeared in much better overall shape. He's a big guy and has grown into his frame nicely. The time he spent with Chris Sale really helped him out in my belief.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 28, 2020 21:56:23 GMT -5
What Chris means is that the numbers have been largely re-shuffled now that the latest draft is in the can. The top 100 has changed since that time, as has the remainder of their rankings no doubt. I agree, but the links have been updated recently. These are updated since January. BA is still updating their rankings since the 2020 draft. The rankings have been updated. The two articles you posted have not. For example, you're misunderstanding this article: www.baseballamerica.com/stories/notable-mlb-prospects-who-missed-the-2020-top-100/That article doesn't list the next 50 guys in the top 150. It lists players who were on at least one staff member's top 150 list when they were doing the process of putting together the top 100 entering the year. The article could not have been updated - it's talking about something that happened during the offseason. The Red Sox did not have 5 players in BA's 101-150 area. They had 5 guys who were among the 98 players who weren't in the top 100 but were on one writer's list. That's a good thing, but it's a different thing. The other article also has a January 13 dateline. It's not the type of thing they'd have updated.
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Post by caseytins on Jun 29, 2020 20:19:44 GMT -5
I agree, but the links have been updated recently. These are updated since January. BA is still updating their rankings since the 2020 draft. The rankings have been updated. The two articles you posted have not. For example, you're misunderstanding this article: www.baseballamerica.com/stories/notable-mlb-prospects-who-missed-the-2020-top-100/That article doesn't list the next 50 guys in the top 150. It lists players who were on at least one staff member's top 150 list when they were doing the process of putting together the top 100 entering the year. The article could not have been updated - it's talking about something that happened during the offseason. The Red Sox did not have 5 players in BA's 101-150 area. They had 5 guys who were among the 98 players who weren't in the top 100 but were on one writer's list. That's a good thing, but it's a different thing. The other article also has a January 13 dateline. It's not the type of thing they'd have updated. I wasn't confused at all here. I already edited my previous comments, that concur with this post of yours. We are on the same page, dear editor.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 29, 2020 21:51:50 GMT -5
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