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Post by incandenza on Jul 7, 2020 13:31:07 GMT -5
But this completely discounts the health risks that fall short of actually dying. There are several comments and links in this thread that testify to those risks. One number I saw was that about 20% of infected people end up being "long haulers," with recurrent symptoms that last months, including scarring of the lungs and neurological/cognitive difficulties. It sounds like the sort of thing that could threaten a player's career, not to mention their overall well-being. We just don't know yet what the long-term effects of this disease are. It also entirely discounts the risks to people other than the players: the coaches, the players' families, etc. (I'm actually surprised the overall discussion hasn't focused more on coaches, many of whom are in a much more vulnerable age group; if someone were to die as a result of playing this baseball season in the midst of a pandemic, it's overwhelmingly more likely to be a coach than a player.) And then there are the risks to the broader society. If going forward with the season leads to more people in and around baseball getting infected, those individuals will then pass the disease on to others, and so on. You said deadly, so I posted information from what appears to be a reasonably reputable source that states exactly how deadly the virus is and how that's relevant to baseball players. Thought I was being helpful. There's no extensive commentary, just data and an invitation to post your own data (an invitation that you declined). I am more concerned about the coaches, particularly a guy like Francona. Jerry Remy too. I'm not sure enough attention is being paid to this group. Well, you're crossing me up with alexcorahomevideo, who made the original 'deadly' comment. But I didn't mean to come off as if I was arguing, and the info you shared was interesting! So apologies if my tone came off as contentious. I just meant to highlight that the question is broader than just "what is the risk of a player dying." That's not to say that you're construing it that way; but I do get the impression that the discourse in general is a little bit myopically focused on that question.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 7, 2020 13:55:57 GMT -5
MLB is partially refunding MLB.TV. From an email I received (No word yet on MiLB.TV):
We have updated the price of your 2020 MLB.TV Yearly subscription to reflect the 2020 60-Game MLB Schedule. Your updated 2020 MLB.TV Yearly subscription price will be $45.18, a difference of $76.81 from your original price of $121.99. As a subscriber, you have the option to receive $76.81 as either a credit toward your 2021 subscription or as a 2020 partial refund. Subscribers are eligible to request a partial refund for their 2020 season subscription until August 31, 2020.
To receive a credit toward your 2021 subscription, there is no action required. A $76.81 credit will be applied to your 2021 subscription price on or around March 1, 2021 as part of annual renewals.
To request a 2020 partial refund, click here. We will begin issuing refunds on or around July 31, 2020. You will receive a confirmation email when your refund has been applied to your original form of payment and the refund will appear on your statement within ten business days of processing.
The MiLB.TV portion of your 2020 subscription will be fully refunded but you may continue your complimentary access to the MiLB.TV archives throughout the end of the year.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 7, 2020 13:59:12 GMT -5
The debate about if they should play has been done, they agreed to play. I'm over the they shouldn't play because someone might die crap. They should step up and be role models. Show people if you are smart your chances of getting this is low. Have them wear masks when they aren't playing. Have them not do stupid things like to to bars and nightclubs. South Korea is playing Baseball. The rest of the world has adjusted. The whole Country can't bunker down this could easily last year's. They need to fix the testing, that is crazy. Little old Berkshire County can do rush tests in 45 minutes and all results in a day. We have multiple free testing sites. Wife's Salon had it's first positive test of a customer. A pregnant women who didn't have symptoms. She was tested when she went to the hospital. So far no workers have tested positive, yet that's because by law they are in full PPE equipment and look like surgeons. Masks, gloves, eye protections, full body protection and full on cleaning after every customer. They hate it, but you have to be smart! Baseball should be the easiest sport because it involves much less contact that other sports. Yet is anyone surprised they are prepared? The right rules, regulations and a solid testing program can work. If the players buy in. This Country needs the people to buy in. We can't hide in bunkers till this is over. I get where you're coming from. However, this is the exact same logic that the South used last month and look at Florida now? Hospitals are overrun with cases. We need to stay home until this is done or we risk giving this deadly disease to loved ones or people with compromised immune systems. Its the right thing to do. I wonder if Eduardo Rodriguez and Freddy Freeman would agree with playing if they were asked today. Those two now have a disease that if they have an underlying issue that they are unaware of could turn deadly. I mean bordem and losing money sucks. But you know what else sucks? Ventilators! The testing is a shit show and MLB looks like an unorganized clown show. Come on now the south is in this mess because they did basically nothing. No laws on masks, no PPE equipment for people like hair stylist. They kept bars, movie theaters and everything else open. They didn't ramp us testing like the states that were hit hard at first. Don't look at the states that were stupid, look at the ones who were smart. Tons of other states are now rolling back reopening or closing down again. Yet Massachusetts is getting ready to open up places like Gyms. Why? Everyone is wearing facemasks, no large gatherings, bars, nightclubs and crazy high risks places were you can't wear masks or social distance won't reopen till there is a Vaccine. No offense, but you're either retired or are lucky to be able to work from home. We can't just bunker down as a Country. Three months increased our national debt by about 20%. Your idea will literally destroy this Country and many more people will be hurt far worse than by the virus. They will lose their homes, not be able to feed their families, buy medicine, etc. Small businesses will basically all just fold. It will set this Country back decades. When it's over China will be the new Superpower in the world. I'm sorry but you just don't seem to understand how bad things will get. Baseball is the same thing. People think because the teams are worth a ton when sold they just have massive amounts of cash. They don't! You could set Baseball back decades if you don't play till their is a vaccine if they develop one. Just imagine two lost seasons, followed up by a labor war. What are all the minimum salary guys going to do for money? People need to earn a living! They can play Baseball in a safe manner. It's can Baseball stop being stupid. Basketball signed contracts with Labs month ago so they could hire extra people and set up a lab just for them. So it wouldn't take away from the public. Why Baseball hasn't done that is beyond me. Maybe it falls a part because they are stupid or the Players won't be smart. Just don't give me it can't be done and we should just hide in bunkers for who knows how long. You can do whatever you want, the majority of people can't do that. Look at the rest of the world! The US looks like a bunch of morons right now. South Korea can play Baseball but we can't. Wow!
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 7, 2020 14:21:09 GMT -5
Just remember players are already getting this. The real question is does opening Baseball increase the risk for them, their families and Society in general? In theory if done right it shouldn't. Heck massive testing of players and their families in large cities could actual help identify outbreaks with back tracing like Massachusetts is doing calling people who came in close contact to a sick person. Testing people without symptoms which is hardly done finds the people infected who can be super spreaders because they have zero symptoms. It's a good thing to have sport teams spending millions and millions so more people are tested. They just have to be able to do quick tests and it can be done.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 7, 2020 15:08:13 GMT -5
Just remember players are already getting this. The real question is does opening Baseball increase the risk for them, their families and Society in general? In theory if done right it shouldn't. Heck massive testing of players and their families in large cities could actual help identify outbreaks with back tracing like Massachusetts is doing calling people who came in close contact to a sick person. Testing people without symptoms which is hardly done finds the people infected who can be super spreaders because they have zero symptoms. It's a good thing to have sport teams spending millions and millions so more people are tested. They just have to be able to do quick tests and it can be done. Yeah, this is possible - I don't think we can assume that playing games makes it more likely anyone will catch the bug. Maybe some of the players who'd be going out to the bars and clubs if there were no season at all will be kept in line because they're busy playing baseball and have a sense of obligation to their teammates. But I don't think we can assume the opposite either; like, if each team takes 10 road trips or whatever it is, it'll be hard to do that without interacting with a lot of different people, in a lot of different indoor spaces, etc.
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Post by bosox on Jul 7, 2020 21:15:04 GMT -5
MLB is partially refunding MLB.TV. From an email I received ( No word yet on MiLB.TV): We have updated the price of your 2020 MLB.TV Yearly subscription to reflect the 2020 60-Game MLB Schedule. Your updated 2020 MLB.TV Yearly subscription price will be $45.18, a difference of $76.81 from your original price of $121.99. As a subscriber, you have the option to receive $76.81 as either a credit toward your 2021 subscription or as a 2020 partial refund. Subscribers are eligible to request a partial refund for their 2020 season subscription until August 31, 2020.
To receive a credit toward your 2021 subscription, there is no action required. A $76.81 credit will be applied to your 2021 subscription price on or around March 1, 2021 as part of annual renewals.
To request a 2020 partial refund, click here. We will begin issuing refunds on or around July 31, 2020. You will receive a confirmation email when your refund has been applied to your original form of payment and the refund will appear on your statement within ten business days of processing.
The MiLB.TV portion of your 2020 subscription will be fully refunded but you may continue your complimentary access to the MiLB.TV archives throughout the end of the year. I received the same email. The last sentence addresses the MiLB.TV. It is being fully refunded.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 7, 2020 21:23:10 GMT -5
Thanks, I didn't notice that. Mine was a renewal of both with separate credit card withdrawals, not a combined subscription so I am not sure how they will do that. Haha, went for the refund, playing the Covid odds. Covid has been indirectly expensive (expenses side, I am retired) for me so the money will come in handy.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 8, 2020 5:57:15 GMT -5
Matt McCarthy @mattmccarthy985 · 17h Current Red Sox starting rotation:
1. Nathan Eovaldi 2. Martin Perez 3. Ryan Weber 4. Some guy. 5. Some other guy.
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 8, 2020 13:13:59 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 8, 2020 14:01:16 GMT -5
Just remember players are already getting this. The real question is does opening Baseball increase the risk for them, their families and Society in general? In theory if done right it shouldn't. Heck massive testing of players and their families in large cities could actual help identify outbreaks with back tracing like Massachusetts is doing calling people who came in close contact to a sick person. Testing people without symptoms which is hardly done finds the people infected who can be super spreaders because they have zero symptoms. It's a good thing to have sport teams spending millions and millions so more people are tested. They just have to be able to do quick tests and it can be done. Yeah, this is possible - I don't think we can assume that playing games makes it more likely anyone will catch the bug. Maybe some of the players who'd be going out to the bars and clubs if there were no season at all will be kept in line because they're busy playing baseball and have a sense of obligation to their teammates. But I don't think we can assume the opposite either; like, if each team takes 10 road trips or whatever it is, it'll be hard to do that without interacting with a lot of different people, in a lot of different indoor spaces, etc. You can limit that no? The players don't need to check into hotel's and should be traveling on planes with just the team. If they wear masks that can be as safe as going to the grocery store or Walmart. It's what they do when they get there. Are they smart like order room service, rent out places for the team to eat at or stuff like that or do they just go by the current laws of that state? The NBA put in strict rules and created an environment that can be safe as you can get right now. It seems in MLB those final steps are going to be team level rules. So it can certainly go both ways, it really just comes down to teams and players being smart. Not crap like oh yeah this state hasn't closed the bars or night clubs let's go party. MLB needs to up it's game if it wants a season. Are UMPs and Catchers going to wear face shields? NFL has had Oakley working on them for months, yet you hear nothing about that in Baseball. It's all about planning and doing the little things to make it as safe as you can.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 8, 2020 14:46:34 GMT -5
Yeah, this is possible - I don't think we can assume that playing games makes it more likely anyone will catch the bug. Maybe some of the players who'd be going out to the bars and clubs if there were no season at all will be kept in line because they're busy playing baseball and have a sense of obligation to their teammates. But I don't think we can assume the opposite either; like, if each team takes 10 road trips or whatever it is, it'll be hard to do that without interacting with a lot of different people, in a lot of different indoor spaces, etc. You can limit that no? The players don't need to check into hotel's and should be traveling on planes with just the team. If they wear masks that can be as safe as going to the grocery store or Walmart. It's what they do when they get there. Are they smart like order room service, rent out places for the team to eat at or stuff like that or do they just go by the current laws of that state? The NBA put in strict rules and created an environment that can be safe as you can get right now. It seems in MLB those final steps are going to be team level rules. So it can certainly go both ways, it really just comes down to teams and players being smart. Not crap like oh yeah this state hasn't closed the bars or night clubs let's go party. MLB needs to up it's game if it wants a season. Are UMPs and Catchers going to wear face shields? NFL has had Oakley working on them for months, yet you hear nothing about that in Baseball. It's all about planning and doing the little things to make it as safe as you can. Yeah, agree on all that, and I'm sure they will do those things. But "as safe as you can" =/= 100% safe. Just in the course of going from home to airport to bus to hotel to stadium, etc. etc., they'll be interacting with some number of people and circulating through a lot of indoor spaces that a lot of other people pass through. So I wouldn't say it comes down to being "smart" - smartness is necessary, for sure, but it doesn't eliminate the risk entirely. (And at any rate, how much money would you put on every person in MLB being "smart"?) All the travel, by the way, makes the situation pretty different from what the NBA is doing in basically creating a closed environment. And I'm not sure if even the NBA's strategy will work. We'll see.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 10, 2020 11:30:49 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 10, 2020 12:27:38 GMT -5
You can limit that no? The players don't need to check into hotel's and should be traveling on planes with just the team. If they wear masks that can be as safe as going to the grocery store or Walmart. It's what they do when they get there. Are they smart like order room service, rent out places for the team to eat at or stuff like that or do they just go by the current laws of that state? The NBA put in strict rules and created an environment that can be safe as you can get right now. It seems in MLB those final steps are going to be team level rules. So it can certainly go both ways, it really just comes down to teams and players being smart. Not crap like oh yeah this state hasn't closed the bars or night clubs let's go party. MLB needs to up it's game if it wants a season. Are UMPs and Catchers going to wear face shields? NFL has had Oakley working on them for months, yet you hear nothing about that in Baseball. It's all about planning and doing the little things to make it as safe as you can. Yeah, agree on all that, and I'm sure they will do those things. But "as safe as you can" =/= 100% safe. Just in the course of going from home to airport to bus to hotel to stadium, etc. etc., they'll be interacting with some number of people and circulating through a lot of indoor spaces that a lot of other people pass through. So I wouldn't say it comes down to being "smart" - smartness is necessary, for sure, but it doesn't eliminate the risk entirely. (And at any rate, how much money would you put on every person in MLB being "smart"?) All the travel, by the way, makes the situation pretty different from what the NBA is doing in basically creating a closed environment. And I'm not sure if even the NBA's strategy will work. We'll see. Well the way I look at it, you can't be 100% safe unless you lock yourself inside and have enough money and supplies to ride this out. Very few have that option. Now I'm no expert, but it seems the bigger worry is small spaces were you can't social distance. I don't see a difference in airports/hotel's compared to supermarkets and Walmarts if you social distance and wear a mask. The planes and buses are the bigger worry for most people, yet it should be just Baseball players so that shouldn't be an issue. I wouldn't put a dime on everyone being smart. It's why they need a lot of quick testing so they weed out the sick quickly and it doesn't become a whole team. On a positive note, every NBA player was wearing a mask when they arrived at Disney. Which is a good sign.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 10, 2020 15:36:20 GMT -5
Here's a question, what if players decide to opt out mid-season? I'm assuming they'd just forfeit their remaining salary, yes? Let's say I'm a KC Royals player, my team just lost 12 of the last 15 games in a 60 game season and you're seeing teammates get sick and are just tired of having to live in this tight, restricted bubble. At what point do you just say, "This is stupid. I'm done."?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 10, 2020 17:29:42 GMT -5
I can't imagine that would fly under the rules. And if a player did that they'd probably get blackballed. They'd also be forgoing service time and a paycheck, so I'm not sure why you wouldn't just ride it out at that point.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 10, 2020 18:41:22 GMT -5
Matt McCarthy @mattmccarthy985 · 17h Current Red Sox starting rotation: 1. Nathan Eovaldi 2. Martin Perez 3. Ryan Weber 4. Some guy. 5. Some other guy. Not even a "Spahn and Sain" followed by nothing in this rotation, but 1 hopeful and nothing. Bleak year for SP in Sox rotation. Have seen some weak rotations over the years, mostly late 60's and few 70's seasons, but this one is worst hands down. Projected No.3 isn't even deserving of a roster spot on most teams. It's going to be win games by 10-9, or lose until ERod can get back and hope both he and Eovaldi are REAL good.
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Post by KB24 on Jul 10, 2020 18:41:58 GMT -5
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Post by jdb on Jul 10, 2020 19:00:27 GMT -5
Only 1.8% of initial tests were positive. Let’s play ball!
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 10, 2020 20:48:48 GMT -5
It's sounding like it wasn't really a covid thing, which is interesting.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Jul 10, 2020 20:49:52 GMT -5
The Kopech decision is a little surprising. Just expanding on what Brock Holt said about his own situation, I kind of assumed most players that opted out would be established players already on long term deals. Price is the perfect example.
I’m not questioning his decision. Just saying he’s way outside the profile of guys I expected to see opting out. It’s interesting.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 10, 2020 22:25:57 GMT -5
The Kopech decision is a little surprising. Just expanding on what Brock Holt said about his own situation, I kind of assumed most players that opted out would be established players already on long term deals. Price is the perfect example. I’m not questioning his decision. Just saying he’s way outside the profile of guys I expected to see opting out. It’s interesting. Not if you view it this way: Joel Sherman @joelsherman1 · 4h Told Kopech had multiple reasons for not playing this year. Big 1: was not going to be ready in his mind to begin season on time after TJ surgery. With shortened camp had concerns ramping up too quickly/reinjury. Waiting until next yr allows greater control of his rehab #WhiteSox
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 10, 2020 23:28:29 GMT -5
Not sure I fully understand that given it's been almost two years since his surgery, September 2018. He didn't have to be ready to start day one. He could have taken his time, maybe go to the bullpen. I get the virus, not TJ from 2018. That's a ton of downtime not pitching.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 11, 2020 7:50:08 GMT -5
Chris Cotillo @chriscotillo · 17h Red Sox are focusing on 3-4 pitchers for open rotation spot: Chris Mazza and Jeffrey Springs are among the candidates.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 11, 2020 7:52:09 GMT -5
Not sure I fully understand that given it's been almost two years since his surgery, September 2018. He didn't have to be ready to start day one. He could have taken his time, maybe go to the bullpen. I get the virus, not TJ from 2018. That's a ton of downtime not pitching. It's the trillogy thingy. Sale, Kopech and Moncada(DL). Things always work in threes, I would think a UMass grad would know that.
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Post by costpet on Jul 11, 2020 14:38:56 GMT -5
Things are ramping up. More virus cases around the country. More deaths. By the 24th it might be too dangerous to play. I'm not getting my hopes up.
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