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Post by greenmonster on Jun 12, 2020 6:58:19 GMT -5
I think its fair to say that with only drafting 5 rounds, there are ALOT of talented UDFA's this morning. Sounds like players/teams can't sign until Sunday. A few questions on how that phase will work.
Do UDFA only receive a $20K offer?
Assuming the higher drafted players take longer to sign than Sunday, Do teams need remaining cap space to sign UDFA or it doesn't count??
Is the thinking the Bloom (and others) will focus on college seniors who have fewer options at this point???
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 12, 2020 7:10:38 GMT -5
I think its fair to say that with only 5 rounds, there are ALOT of talented UDFA's this morning. Sounds like players/teams can't sign until Sunday. A few questions on how that phase will work. Do UDFA only receive a $20K offer? Assuming the higher drafted players take longer to sign than Sunday, Do teams need remaining cap space to sign UDFA or it doesn't count?? Is the thinking the Bloom (and others) will focus on college seniors who have fewer options at this point??? $20k is the cap for UDFAs. Teams cannot offer them more if they have remaining bonus pool $$. Teams are allowed to sign unlimited UDFAs. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 12, 2020 7:43:29 GMT -5
Also, I presume in theory that teams could sign players for less, but having such a low cap basically forces teams to offer the 20k to anyone they think might have interest from other teams.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 12, 2020 8:11:30 GMT -5
Obviously will be a much less eventful signing period this year. It will be interesting to see what happens with UDFAs. All discussion of draft signings and general post-draft discussion can go here.
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jun 12, 2020 8:19:21 GMT -5
I think we may see some unintended competitive disadvantages during this UFDA process. Are more highly regarded players going to be more inclined to sign with the Yankees or Dodgers than say the Pirates, Mariners, and Rockies?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 12, 2020 8:19:51 GMT -5
MIKE, WHICH DRAFT PICKS DO YOU PREDICT THEY'LL SIGN AND WHICH WILL GO TO SCHOOL?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 12, 2020 8:23:29 GMT -5
I think we may see some unintended competitive disadvantages during this UFDA process. Are more highly regarded players going to be more inclined to sign with the Yankees or Dodgers than say the Pirates, Mariners, and Rockies? There's always an element of recruiting to scouting, and this year that's going to be amplified. Toboni made it a point to praise Josh Labandeira, Danny Watkins, JJ Altobelli and Dante Ricciardi last night (the area scouts for the four picks). Now it's going to be on ALL the area scouts to do some homework, find out who wants to sign and recruit the hell out of them. |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 12, 2020 8:43:24 GMT -5
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 12, 2020 9:57:00 GMT -5
Obviously will be a much less eventful signing period this year. It will be interesting to see what happens with UDFAs. All discussion of draft signings and general post-draft discussion can go here. Less eventful with drafted picks, for sure. But way more eventful with UDFA's which makes it fun. As a fun exercise, I'd like to throw a challenge to the entire board: Try to predict how many draft picks don't end up signing. Should be a very high sign rate given the mechanics of this draft, but there will definitely be some that end up not signing. My guess is 4. |
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Post by alnipper on Jun 12, 2020 10:32:31 GMT -5
They WILL sign all 4 picks.
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Post by Mike Andrews on Jun 12, 2020 11:05:47 GMT -5
MIKE, WHICH DRAFT PICKS DO YOU PREDICT THEY'LL SIGN AND WHICH WILL GO TO SCHOOL? Early prediction: Nick Yorke $2,000,000 Blaze Jordan $2,500,000 Jeremy Wu-Yelland $300,000 Shane Drohan $500,000 Total $5,300,000 |
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Post by ramireja on Jun 12, 2020 12:05:00 GMT -5
Disclaimer: These guys might still be considered unlikely to sign as UDFAs but they're worth monitoring given that the alternative is to return for a (uncertain?) senior year with little negotiating power in 2021. Still a junior who believes in himself may opt to return to school for the sake of 1) finishing their degree requirements, 2) playing well enough to receive a high-end senior bonus (think $50K-$100K).
Using MLB's rankings, here are the top undrafted college juniors:
50. Seth Lonsway - LHP - Ohio St.
69. Tommy Mace - RHP - Florida
90. Gavin Williams - LHP - East Carolina
91. Mason Erla - RHP - MIchigan St.
107. Parker Chavers - OH - Coastal Carolina
116. Andrew Abbott - LHP - Virginia
119. Justin Fall - LHP - Arizona St.
123. Carson Seymour - RHP - Kansas St.
124. Ryan Webb - LHP - Georgia
125. Luke Waddell - SS - Georgia Tech
128. Trenton Denholm - RHP - UC-Irvine (former Sox draftee)
129. Jackson Leath - RHP - Tennessee
146. Kale Emshoff - C - University of Arkansas - Little Rock (Senior)
152. Kevin Abel - RHP - Oregon State
153. Hugh Fisher - RHP - Vanderbilt
164. Johnny Ray - RHP - TCU
170. Casey Opitz - C - Arkansas
172. Blake Dunn - OF - Western Michigan
173. Jacob Teter - 1B - Florida Southern College
179. Bobby Seymour - 1B - Wake Forest
180. Zach Brzkykcy - RHP - Virginia Tech
183. Jamal O'Guinn - 3B - USC
185. Alex Toral - 1B - Miami
196. Braiden Ward - OF - Washington
199. Matt Mikulski - RHP - Fordham
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 12, 2020 15:34:22 GMT -5
As I see it, this free-for-all closely resembles the pre-draft days, with the two obvious exceptions being that the top 160 players are gone, and that money isn’t a factor.
But otherwise, you have every team jointly evaluating many hundreds of players. You can bet that every team constructed a “signing board” of players they were interested in that might not be drafted.
Like in the old days, you don’t wait until the signing period starts. You make a personal connection a while before that, which doubles as a chance to get a makeup assessment. In the old days, the personal connection, and the desire of the player to join your organization, was an extra factor secondary to the bonus offered. This time around, it’s everything. Organizations perceived as being well-run, especially with player development, will have an advantage, as will those who play in attractive cities. (Which of course mean that’s that if the Rays approach you, your head explodes from the conflict.)
College juniors: Above a certain point in prospect status, they are very likely to get more money if they wait a year. The key here is that the players can pick their team, and that's worth something. This will be very interesting.
High school kids, top-five round talents (not sure how many are left): Presumably nearly all who weren't drafted have a college commitment. And kids this year would have been much more upfront and honest than usual about their interest in college versus turning pro. Exaggerating your interest in academia in order to get a big over-slot bonus -- that was a common strategy, but it's a terrible one for this year.
The sixth- to tenth-round high school talents are also interesting. Some will probably be perfectly happy to go to 4-year college, but the C- students have a great option in junior college, where they could go to school for only one year and enter the draft. JuCo recruiters are, I imagine, salivating. I don't know why any kid who was a top 300 prospect would take a $20K bonus when they could go to JuCo and party for a year -- unless they had a lot of self-confidence and a connection to an organization they really wanted to join.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 12, 2020 22:00:16 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 12, 2020 22:53:20 GMT -5
One of the top HS players that didn't get drafted, Harold Coll, decided to do a PG year and reclassify into the 2021 class. Will be interesting to see if other HS guys do this.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 12, 2020 22:58:53 GMT -5
Tommy Mace is returning to Gainesville for his Senior year.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 12, 2020 23:13:21 GMT -5
Assuming there is a 20 round draft next year, the quality of the senior class is going to present an interesting wrinkle to draft strategy.
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Post by mckeonam on Jun 12, 2020 23:33:03 GMT -5
Assuming there is a 20 round draft next year, the quality of the senior class is going to present an interesting wrinkle to draft strategy. Is it safe to say that the draft will never return to 40 rounds? Obviously the current situation made this year different but I will really miss the 40 round draft if its gone. |
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 13, 2020 2:05:37 GMT -5
Assuming there is a 20 round draft next year, the quality of the senior class is going to present an interesting wrinkle to draft strategy. Is it safe to say that the draft will never return to 40 rounds? Obviously the current situation made this year different but I will really miss the 40 round draft if its gone. If they cut the minor leagues back a bit I can see them settling at 25-30. |
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jun 13, 2020 5:17:50 GMT -5
One of the top HS players that didn't get drafted, Harold Coll, decided to do a PG year and reclassify into the 2021 class. Will be interesting to see if other HS guys do this. I would not be surprised if other HS players do this. They missed out on their senior season and there is no guarantee there will be a college baseball season next year with a possible second wave of COVID. You could be scouted this summer and then do individual workouts similar to international players. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 13, 2020 6:35:01 GMT -5
One of the top HS players that didn't get drafted, Harold Coll, decided to do a PG year and reclassify into the 2021 class. Will be interesting to see if other HS guys do this. A tad surprising since he is 18 & 10 months, older than most. |
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Post by outofleftfield on Jun 13, 2020 9:58:55 GMT -5
Assuming there is a 20 round draft next year, the quality of the senior class is going to present an interesting wrinkle to draft strategy. Is it safe to say that the draft will never return to 40 rounds? Obviously the current situation made this year different but I will really miss the 40 round draft if its gone. I'd bet pretty heavily against a 40 round draft happening any time soon. With some minor league teams being cut (and thus, ~25 player jobs per organization at least, with several losing more), there's no longer a need for 40 round drafts. If the draft is instead 25 or 30 rounds (where I expect it to eventually normalize, I guess), while you lose those 10-15 rounds, you also end up giving players who get drafted a better chance. Every year, players are cut in advance of the season and/or draft, to make room for the new players. With 25 less jobs, players are going to get cut much earlier on in their careers if there's no change to how the draft works, long term. There was an argument (not one I agreed with) that a 40 round draft was actually too big before they started cutting baseball teams. That argument now says that's a certainty (and in this case, I actually agree). I wouldn't say it can never return to 40 rounds, but for it to do so, you need to do something crazy, like add an entire level of organized ball. |
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 13, 2020 20:34:03 GMT -5
Wonder how many 9:01 "wink wink" signings we'll see. Also, I'm assuming it's 9am eastern, right? I'm a PT guy so it'll be nice to wake up to some news.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 13, 2020 22:07:56 GMT -5
Seems that if they can't sign Yorke at a substantial discount then they aren't signing Jordan which would effectively create a punt to 2021.
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Post by redsox3524 on Jun 14, 2020 0:38:53 GMT -5
Seems that if they can't sign Yorke at a substantial discount then they aren't signing Jordan which would effectively create a punt to 2021. i'm pretty sure all will be signing..unless you heard Yorke don't want to sign for under slot? but from what I've read all will be signing. |
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