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2020 Draft Signing Period
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 16, 2020 10:42:49 GMT -5
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 16, 2020 10:57:23 GMT -5
Impressive group, I think. Merfy Andrew is an eye-opener. That is an extremely compact and very controlled delivery for a guy who throws BBs. And coming right out of what looked to be the same motion was a hard slider that blew a batter away in one of the video clips. This could get interesting.
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Post by jbuttah on Jun 16, 2020 11:59:18 GMT -5
Impressive group, I think. Merfy Andrew is an eye-opener. That is an extremely compact and very controlled delivery for a guy who throws BBs. And coming right out of what looked to be the same motion was a hard slider that blew a batter away in one of the video clips. This could get interesting. How did this guy not get drafted? He seems like someone you'd rather have then even Wu-Yelland or Drohan.
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Post by SALNotes on Jun 16, 2020 12:39:54 GMT -5
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Post by hongkyongnae on Jun 16, 2020 12:53:22 GMT -5
Impressive group, I think. Merfy Andrew is an eye-opener. That is an extremely compact and very controlled delivery for a guy who throws BBs. And coming right out of what looked to be the same motion was a hard slider that blew a batter away in one of the video clips. This could get interesting. How did this guy not get drafted? He seems like someone you'd rather have then even Wu-Yelland or Drohan. That was my question, so I looked up his college stats. I had trouble finding much aside this link, so I apologize in advance if the numbers are not accurate: asasilverstorm.com/sports/bsb/2017-18/bios/andrew_merfy_gipkAccording to that webpage, in 13.1 innings Andrew walked 31 batters. Perhaps that made a few scouts think twice about drafting him?
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Post by ramireja on Jun 16, 2020 13:07:08 GMT -5
How did this guy not get drafted? He seems like someone you'd rather have then even Wu-Yelland or Drohan. That was my question, so I looked up his college stats. I had trouble finding much aside this link, so I apologize in advance if the numbers are not accurate: asasilverstorm.com/sports/bsb/2017-18/bios/andrew_merfy_gipkAccording to that webpage, in 13.1 innings Andrew walked 31 batters. Perhaps that made a few scouts think twice about drafting him? Yes, basically this. He has a history of extreme control concerns. Its possible he's turned a bit of a corner. This year for St. Thomas, Andrew still walked 18 in 25.1 innings. Certainly better than 31 walks in 13.1 innings, but still problematic. If you dig under the hood a bit more and look at his 5 starts this year, you'll see his first of the year was atrocious walking 7 batters in 2.1 innings. He followed that up though stringing together 4 strong starts with a 40K/11BB ratio in 23 innings.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 16, 2020 13:13:42 GMT -5
If your read through his Twitter account, it's all about work and focus. Again, we may be seeing the result of good scouting on the part of the Sox. There looks to be some very good raw material in that kid. You can teach consistency, but you can't teach 97+ mph.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 16, 2020 13:23:47 GMT -5
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Post by lennsakata on Jun 16, 2020 13:51:21 GMT -5
If you scroll down his twitter page he has an April retweet from Red Sox Diehard recalling the Joe Kelley/Tyler Austin beaning And right below that some insight that perhaps the Sox took advantage of in targeting a possible $20k signee in addition to him seemingly being a Sox fan Cuba Bess @cuba_bess I’m happy the NCAA decided to give spring sport athletes their eligibility back due to COVID-19. But my God, I can’t believe I’m gonna be a 23 year old junior next yearWoozy face
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Post by azblue on Jun 16, 2020 17:57:33 GMT -5
List on Baseball America as of now:
Jacinto Arredondo, RHP, Tampa | Link Jordan DiValerio, RHP, Saint Joseph's Graham Hoffman, RHP, South Florida Jake MacKenzie, INF, Fordham Cole Milam, RHP, Southern Illinois-Edwardsville Henry Nunez-Rijo, RHP, Puerto Rico High, Guaynabo, P.R. Juan Montero, C, Puerto Rico Baseball Academy, Guarabo, P.R. | Link Jose Garcia, C/1B, Florida International | Link Merfy Andrew, RHP, St. Thomas University | Link Brian Van Belle, RHP, Miami | Link | No. 16 ranked senior Cuba Bess, 1B, Grand Canyon | Link Maceo Campbell, RHP, Longwood | Link
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 16, 2020 19:48:48 GMT -5
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Post by ramireja on Jun 16, 2020 20:20:01 GMT -5
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 18, 2020 19:54:57 GMT -5
Is it safe to say UDFA signing is probably over? Can't imagine there will be any guys taking a long time to make their decision on stuff like this, although I suppose if there is another massive spike in cases before the signing deadline that makes even the 2021 college baseball season look unlikely, it could change some outlooks. Crossing my fingers that doesn't happen.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 18, 2020 22:21:30 GMT -5
Jim Callis was just on the podcast and he made the point that there won't be many more signings at this point.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 19, 2020 3:04:03 GMT -5
Jim Callis was just on the podcast and he made the point that there won't be many more signings at this point. Yeah, that makes sense. All in all, I'm honestly pretty happy with the UDFA class. No one that I think is a surefire prospect obviously, but a lot of guys that I think would've made sense as rounds 6-10 picks in a normal draft. Maybe 8-10. I know you have made the point that as GM Bloom doesn't actually do a lot of the scouting and stuff but a lot of the UDFA pitchers, and even Wu-Yelland and Drohan, do feel like they fit the mold of Rays-y type prospects, but maybe that's just me.
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Post by azblue on Jun 19, 2020 9:57:20 GMT -5
Angels, Tigers and Rays have not announced a single signing. I wonder i there are many unannounced signings around the two leagues.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 19, 2020 11:22:04 GMT -5
Yeah we're not going to see another wave of signings, but I want to note that UDFAs can sign at any point before returning to school. In other words, they don't have the same Aug. 1st signing deadline that applies to drafted players. So I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple more players sign between now and next Spring, but this current group has to represent the majority of what we'll see.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 19, 2020 14:15:46 GMT -5
Jim Callis was just on the podcast and he made the point that there won't be many more signings at this point. Yeah, that makes sense. All in all, I'm honestly pretty happy with the UDFA class. No one that I think is a surefire prospect obviously, but a lot of guys that I think would've made sense as rounds 6-10 picks in a normal draft. Maybe 8-10. I know you have made the point that as GM Bloom doesn't actually do a lot of the scouting and stuff but a lot of the UDFA pitchers, and even Wu-Yelland and Drohan, do feel like they fit the mold of Rays-y type prospects, but maybe that's just me. I think I disagree with the premise that there's such a thing as a "Rays-y" prospect. What do you mean by that?
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 19, 2020 14:49:33 GMT -5
Yeah, that makes sense. All in all, I'm honestly pretty happy with the UDFA class. No one that I think is a surefire prospect obviously, but a lot of guys that I think would've made sense as rounds 6-10 picks in a normal draft. Maybe 8-10. I know you have made the point that as GM Bloom doesn't actually do a lot of the scouting and stuff but a lot of the UDFA pitchers, and even Wu-Yelland and Drohan, do feel like they fit the mold of Rays-y type prospects, but maybe that's just me. I think I disagree with the premise that there's such a thing as a "Rays-y" prospect. What do you mean by that? I'm nowhere near knowledgeable enough about the game to give a valuable in depth reason as to what I mean outside of just a vague gut feeling, but the best way I can explain is it they seem to care less relative to other teams about what the projection is (like if a guy can start or not), and just focus on guys who have a couple traits that they are near sure will play at the big league level and just hope that one inhibiting trait develops enough. Like, the guy that's jumped out at me the most if Merfy Andrew. Huge fastball, hard slider, terrible control. A lot of pitching prospects it's "well, maybe he can touch up the control, maybe he can improve the off-speed, maybe he can do so and so" to where it becomes a winding road you have to travel to even envision a player making the majors. For Andrew it seems real simple to where if he can throw strikes he's probably an MLB reliever. That's a super difficult thing to qualify over a large sample size and to debate it for every single prospect would probably just be a fruitless exercise in semantics but it's always seemed like the Rays are just focused on guys they know they can get value out of and not necessarily worrying if it fits the traditional sense of value. I think that's kind of how they settled on the opener, by pursuing guys that they really liked for a few reasons but were de-valued by other teams because they didn't fit the traditional starter archetype. I could be 100% wrong on this, it's not something I've spent a ton of time researching but I don't think you can deny that the Rays have done an excellent jump of squeezing value out of pitchers that other teams in often cases didn't want, or at the very least the Rays got for cheap. I don't think at this point you can say that it's purely coincidence, so even if I'm way off on what they value I think it's a very reasonable assumption that they have a "type".
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 20, 2020 11:40:12 GMT -5
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Post by ramireja on Jun 20, 2020 12:40:26 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 20, 2020 21:25:52 GMT -5
I'm not sure what there is to this, but of the 11 college UDFAs, five had transferred from a JuCo (Arredondo, Milam, Andrew, Van Belle, and now Kwiatkowski).
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 20, 2020 22:30:22 GMT -5
I'm not sure what there is to this, but of the 11 college UDFAs, five had transferred from a JuCo (Arredondo, Milam, Andrew, Van Belle, and now Kwiatkowski). How many games do Juco baseball teams play? Could it be a "low mileage arm" thing?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 21, 2020 8:54:46 GMT -5
I'm not sure what there is to this, but of the 11 college UDFAs, five had transferred from a JuCo (Arredondo, Milam, Andrew, Van Belle, and now Kwiatkowski). How many games do Juco baseball teams play? Could it be a "low mileage arm" thing? No fewer than a regular college team. See, for example, Arredondo's stats. I think it might have more to do with the type of player who's inclined to sign for $20k and get into pro ball.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 21, 2020 18:30:28 GMT -5
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