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2021 MLB Draft
TearsIn04
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jun 22, 2021 13:21:28 GMT -5
After watching Leiter last night, I'm convinced the only way we get him is if he tries to force his way to the RS, as reports have suggested. Otherwise, I can't imagine three teams passing on him.
When I first read the claims about him trying to game his way to the RS, I was elated. Then my paranoia set in and I realized that it could work against us getting either him or my second choice, Davis.
Here's how: One of the three teams drafting in front of us that had him as its first choice gets scared off and takes Davis intsead. Another team - one that wasn't as high on Davis - takes Leiter, despite his insistence that he wants to go to Boston. Screwed.
If it's true that he's trying to force his way to Fenway, I hope he's being adamant about it in his discussions with Pittsburgh, Texas and Detroit.
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sportshubby
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Post by sportshubby on Jun 22, 2021 13:24:50 GMT -5
All of this debate and worry, but I am just glad that there is a nice tier 1 pool of draft picks. So barring some crazy way off the board decision, we should be adding a legitimate high end prospect to the rankings. I still go back to my question of, do you draft a position you have more history of success developing, or do you trust high end skill to develop despite the track record? My guess is most people would vote along the lines of 'best prospect regardless of position' or even a need based 'we need pitching talent in the org'. But given the Trey Ball experience, I am wondering if people have changed tune and want the highest floor potential of high skill and development history. End of the day, I'll be shocked if Bloom picks someone that I won't be thrilled with.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 22, 2021 14:22:18 GMT -5
The fangraphs article from about a week ago seemed to indicate all three of the teams ahead of us are considering Lawlar so to me that seems to indicate he is pretty good value at four should Mayer, Davis and Leiter be off the board for our pick.
Pitt and Texas are looking at Watson at 1and 2 and Detroit is looking at Jobe and House as well as Rocker.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 22, 2021 14:31:32 GMT -5
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Post by tyler3 on Jun 22, 2021 14:54:32 GMT -5
I think the only guy we can say probably doesn’t get to us is Mayer and that’s just because of Detroit’s reported love of him. Lawlar, Davis, and Leiter All have a real chance to get to us and two of those are bats with plus hit tools at premium positions and the other an undersized right hander. I think Leiter to the Sox is still very much in play.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 22, 2021 15:06:09 GMT -5
I think the only guy we can say probably doesn’t get to us is Mayer and that’s just because of Detroit’s reported love of him. Lawlar, Davis, and Leiter All have a real chance to get to us and two of those are bats with plus hit tools at premium positions and the other an undersized right hander. I think Leiter to the Sox is still very much in play. It probably is. I think if you look at consensus top 3 as if that really matters, you're looking at 1) Mayer, 2) Leiter, 3) Davis. Yes, House or Watson or Lawlor could wind up in that list, but if they don't those are the guys you are looking at for #4, along with the somewhat maligned Kumar Rocker, whose numbers are almost just as good as Leiter's. He doesn't have as many Ks, but he has far less walks and less HRs allowed. If Mayer, Leiter, and Davis are in the top 3 in whatever order, then I think the Sox probably go with Rocker. If Leiter indeed falls to 4, then it's Leiter. If Leiter is picked before 4, but Davis is still hanging out at #4, then if it's between Rocker and Davis, I would guess the Sox grab Davis. I'm in agreement that Mayer is not likely going to be in play at #4. I do think he winds up being picked by the Pirates.
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Post by unitspin on Jun 22, 2021 16:04:35 GMT -5
It's getting interesting, seems the lawlar fan boys have disappeared as of late on here.
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cdj
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Post by cdj on Jun 22, 2021 16:21:29 GMT -5
There were Lawlar fanboys?
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Post by unitspin on Jun 22, 2021 17:36:12 GMT -5
There were Lawlar fanboys? Ive seen it all in 127 pages, jaden hill hype, del castillo hype, lawlar hype. And alot of consistent hate for rocker and leiter. The college bats id say changed the most, alot dropping down the draft board.
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Post by tyler3 on Jun 22, 2021 17:41:32 GMT -5
You know, hell I’ll bite, Lawlar is the only SS of the super SSs who most agree is a SS at the pro level and will be for a long time. Mayer’s foot speed and size, Watson’s height, House’s slight stiffness and huge size, the scouts are split on all those guys sticking at SS (Mayer more that he may eventually move off). Lawlar’s hit tool is for real (I guess pressing this spring) but he hammered a variety of 95 mphs and breaking balls this summer. And….the guy is very fast….gonna be a lot of triples and doubles in there. Maybe the power comes maybe it doesn’t, but that floor is super high……..I’ll be the Lawlar fanboy for a bit.
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Post by manfred on Jun 22, 2021 19:06:38 GMT -5
(I liked Hill until his elbow exploded. Guilty!)
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 22, 2021 20:04:40 GMT -5
I mean this has 127 pages for a reason people were just posting draft related content not hyping anyone. I will say I was one of the first on Mayer so I’ll toot my own horn.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jun 23, 2021 6:39:21 GMT -5
I like the chances that the Pirates draft under slot to save money which ultimately means the Sox could have what could be considered the 3rd pick in the draft. Maybe they go with House or Watson leaving 1 of Mayer, Davis, Leiter for the Sox. I think that is highly likely given the history of the draft and the Pirates.
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jimoh
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Post by jimoh on Jun 23, 2021 6:42:14 GMT -5
There were Lawlar fanboys? I looked back a little and there were times when people were "thrilled" or satisfied by the idea that Lawlar might fall to 4, and worried that we might pick Rocker even if Lawlar were available.
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Post by fenwaydouble on Jun 23, 2021 7:06:53 GMT -5
There were Lawlar fanboys? I looked back a little and there were times when people were "thrilled" or satisfied by the idea that Lawlar might fall to 4, and worried that we might pick Rocker even if Lawlar were available. I think if you polled this board you would still find that most people prefer Lawlar to Rocker.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 23, 2021 18:28:36 GMT -5
New Callis mock: 1. Pirates: Marcelo Mayer, SS, Eastlake HS (Chula Vista, Calif.) 2. Rangers: Jack Leiter, RHP, Vanderbilt 3. Tigers: Jackson Jobe, RHP, Heritage Hall HS (Oklahoma City) 5. Orioles: Henry Davis, C, Louisville 6. D-backs: Kumar Rocker, RHP, Vanderbilt 7. Royals: Kahlil Watson, SS, Wake Forest (N.C.) HS 8. Rockies: Brady House, SS, Winder-Barrow HS (Winder, Ga.) 9. Angels: Ty Madden, RHP, Texas 10. Mets: Sal Frelick, OF, Boston College www.mlb.com/news/mlb-mock-draft-june-23-2021?t=mlb-draft-coverage
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jun 23, 2021 18:36:07 GMT -5
I've been hot/cold on Lawlar, and I think I'm coming back around to hot on him. I know some people want to knock him for his age, but, it's not like it's his fault. It's not like he's older than everyone in AAA because his level of play justified a slower development. It's not his fault for being born and sent to school when he was. I'd be pretty happy with Lawlar if he was the pick.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 23, 2021 19:02:45 GMT -5
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Post by unitspin on Jun 23, 2021 19:12:45 GMT -5
I looked back a little and there were times when people were "thrilled" or satisfied by the idea that Lawlar might fall to 4, and worried that we might pick Rocker even if Lawlar were available. I think if you polled this board you would still find that most people prefer Lawlar to Rocker. If mayer, davis and leiter are off the board id rather see house then lawlar picked by the sox if bloom doesnt like rocker. If you look at them side by side way more upside with house who cares if he can stick at ss or not.
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Post by soxaddict on Jun 23, 2021 19:17:37 GMT -5
I'll be happy with Mayer, Leiter, Lawlar, Davis, Watson, or House.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Jun 23, 2021 21:18:33 GMT -5
I think if you polled this board you would still find that most people prefer Lawlar to Rocker. If mayer, davis and leiter are off the board id rather see house then lawlar picked by the sox if bloom doesnt like rocker. If you look at them side by side way more upside with house who cares if he can stick at ss or not. House's carrying tool is his power. Lawler seems like a much more well rounded shortstop with a ceiling of Trevor Story and a floor of Andrelton Simmons.
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jimoh
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Post by jimoh on Jun 23, 2021 21:32:47 GMT -5
If mayer, davis and leiter are off the board id rather see house then lawlar picked by the sox if bloom doesnt like rocker. If you look at them side by side way more upside with house who cares if he can stick at ss or not. House's carrying tool is his power. Lawler seems like a much more well rounded shortstop with a ceiling of Trevor Story and a floor of Andrelton Simmons. A floor of a gold glove shortstop who for a time will be the best defensive player in baseball?
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Post by wOBA Fett on Jun 23, 2021 21:39:32 GMT -5
House's carrying tool is his power. Lawler seems like a much more well rounded shortstop with a ceiling of Trevor Story and a floor of Andrelton Simmons. A floor of a gold glove shortstop who for a time will be the best defensive player in baseball? My comp is based upon offense, but it wouldn't shock me if Lawler turns into an elite defensive shortstop.
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Post by tyler3 on Jun 23, 2021 21:56:40 GMT -5
Mlb keeps mocking Jobe to Detroit which is….interesting. Also Watson almost never gets linked to us with these guys. As far as Lawlar goes he’s still ranked 1 by BA, and 2 by prospectslive and Mlb.com. If he doesn’t develop power he’s a good SS with a high batting average and speed on the base path. If he develops power, that’s an all star. I see his floor as what fangraphs says about him “He projects as a solid everyday shortstop” and his ceiling to be what prospectslive says about him “ An impressive prep shortstop that oozes projection. Wide shoulders and long legs suggest additional future offensive impact to come. Some scouts have compared his game to Xander Bogaerts.“
I still view Lawlar as a high ceiling high floor guy.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 23, 2021 22:11:14 GMT -5
Mlb keeps mocking Jobe to Detroit which is….interesting. Also Watson almost never gets linked to us with these guys. As far as Lawlar goes he’s still ranked 1 by BA, and 2 by prospectslive and Mlb.com. If he doesn’t develop power he’s a good SS with a high batting average and speed on the base path. If he develops power, that’s an all star. I see his floor as what fangraphs says about him “He projects as a solid everyday shortstop” and his ceiling to be what prospectslive says about him “ An impressive prep shortstop that oozes projection. Wide shoulders and long legs suggest additional future offensive impact to come. Some scouts have compared his game to Xander Bogaerts.“ I still view Lawlar as a high ceiling high floor guy. FWIW, it seems like there's a lot of variance on the Rangers' and Tigers' picks. Seems like Mayer is most likely the Pirates' pick, but that the Rangers like Lawlor, or Leiter, or Watson, and now you mention Jobe. With the Tigers it could be Leiter or House or Davis. While I still think it winds up Mayer, Leiter, Davis (or Mayer, Davis, Leiter) as the top 3, it's very possible Leiter or Davis fall to the Sox and if both are available I wonder which one the Sox would pick - I'd guess Leiter?
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