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Post by mobaz on Sept 30, 2020 9:11:28 GMT -5
Its a good thing that poster who posts randomly for a bit, develops an obsession with a single player, attacks everyone who thinks there's any chance said player isn't the greatest player alive, and then gets banned, doesn't keep coming back. Re: the draft, obligatory "Should the sox spread the money around rather than targeting the "best" player at 4?" question. Its obviously a higher pick than the Sox are used to but there's no guarantee that they're getting a franchise player. Its also a lot more money than they are used to having to allocate to the draft under these rules, and if they really trust their player evaluation, or if there happen to be a few players projected after the first round they think have a chance to be special, maybe it makes more sense to spread the money around and give themselves a few extra chances. Not necessarily advocating for this, but I wouldn't be upset if they went this route either. I think we saw this year that they're willing to do that if they can't get THEIR guy at their spot. Rumors out of many publications had a Red Sox and Mick Abel contract all but signed on draft day, but he went to Philly at #15. They couldn't get their guy, so they initiated plan Z, went all Bill-Belichick-in-the-2nd-round and took a kid nobody had heard of to save a good chunk of money to spend on their 3rd rounder (no disrespect to Nick Yorke, he's grown on me since my draft day meltdown, and I was impressed by his performance in his short stint at the ATS). All that said, I think it's unlikely that they won't have a guy they think is worthy of their #4 pick available at #4, and I could even envision a scenario where there's a surprise guy available at #4 who nobody thinks would be there right now, a la Austin Martin this season. The financial aspect will be interesting. Will any teams at the top of the draft start thinking with their wallets? Either in trying to spread the money around or in not wanting to spend the full top-of-the-draft slots? How the winter goes might show us a little. Do we have any indications if draft slot values will/not remain the same next year?
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Post by texs31 on Sept 30, 2020 10:11:00 GMT -5
Probably the part where they ranked them differently than they mocked them. BC teams have different reasons for drafting players (different philosophies and trends which, this early, mockers try and replicate. And you, somehow, missed that you said rated/ranked not mocked. 2 very different things. You may have also missed the fact that 2 (number of mocks that have him 2nd O taken) is less than 3 (number of updated rankings that have him 3rd). So you stepped in dung and now your trying to shake yourself out. I said he is the second best arm in the draft per the experts, where exactly has he not been listed as the second best arm in the draft. Almost every source has him as the second arm off the board are you losing it. You picked 3 out of dozens of list and that means what? Wait. The guy that missed BOTH times I've provided tangible information on where experts think he is NOT the 2nd best arm in the draft, ignored the rankings provided in the thread and thinks mocks are always an indication of who is best (I'm sure you can recall pre-draft work and actual drafts that had higher ranked players drafted later) thinks I stepped in it?? Got it. By the way, I DID ask for the sources. So if there ARE dozens, I'd love to see them and know more about who posted them and the level of expertise they have. The list of ones that this board typically puts faith in isnt that long.
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Post by badfishnbc on Sept 30, 2020 11:55:13 GMT -5
Probably more a conversation for the Let's Go Shopping thread, but this is not the year to be signing a top-of-the-market free agent. No way I want to be passing on the players who will be available to us in the draft with a potentially lost pick and the bonus money that comes with it.
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Post by Canseco on Sept 30, 2020 12:03:22 GMT -5
Probably more a conversation for the Let's Go Shopping thread, but this is not the year to be signing a top-of-the-market free agent. No way I want to be passing on the players who will be available to us in the draft with a potentially lost pick and the bonus money that comes with it. I totally agree. Even if we didn’t have this amount of draft pool cash, I’d still want a conservative (lowercase “c”) approach from Bloom in the wake of newly found “cap” flexibility.
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Post by unitspin on Sept 30, 2020 12:31:22 GMT -5
So you stepped in dung and now your trying to shake yourself out. I said he is the second best arm in the draft per the experts, where exactly has he not been listed as the second best arm in the draft. Almost every source has him as the second arm off the board are you losing it. You picked 3 out of dozens of list and that means what? Wait. The guy that missed BOTH times I've provided tangible information on where experts think he is NOT the 2nd best arm in the draft, ignored the rankings provided in the thread and thinks mocks are always an indication of who is best (I'm sure you can recall pre-draft work and actual drafts that had higher ranked players drafted later) thinks I stepped in it?? Got it. By the way, I DID ask for the sources. So if there ARE dozens, I'd love to see them and know more about who posted them and the level of expertise they have. The list of ones that this board typically puts faith in isnt that long. Got it 3-2. Mason mcrae, Jonathan mayo and d1 baseball. 5-3 now.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Sept 30, 2020 12:35:11 GMT -5
Enough of the back-and-forth on this. Please move on. Thanks.
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Post by azblue on Sept 30, 2020 13:23:42 GMT -5
It will not be surprising if many teams spend less than their draft pool maximum because of the Covid-19 financial distress. I would expect players to sign below their slot value. I would also expect that the Red Sox, if they are prepared to spend every dollar of their pool money, could find unexpected talent in later rounds as a result of teams passing on players who have higher demands than the below slot dollars that many teams will be offering.
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Post by texs31 on Sept 30, 2020 15:29:42 GMT -5
Thank you for the sources. That was, truly, the intent of my original posts. I'll add them to the lists I look at.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 30, 2020 16:40:10 GMT -5
Some context from the 2015 draft thread (which is in the Archives subforum): 9/11/14 Kiley McDaniel preview, no mention of Benintendi: blogs.fangraphs.com/2015-mlb-draft-top-51/BA's October 10 top 10, with where they were taken in parentheses: Rank Player Pos Hometown/School 1 Brendan Rodgers ss Lake Mary (Fla.) HS (1-3) 2 Brady Aiken lhp No school (1-17) 3 Michael Matuella rhp Duke (3-78) 4 Kyle Funkhouser rhp Louisville (1-35) 5 Walker Buehler rhp Vanderbilt (1-24) 6 Dansby Swanson 2b/ss Vanderbilt (1-1) 7 Justin Hooper lhp De La Salle, Concord, Calif. (25-751, didn't sign, went in the 15th round in 2019) 8 Kolby Allard lhp San Clemente (Calif.) HS (1-14) 9 Trenton Clark Grisham of Richland HS, North Richland Hills, Texas (1-15) 10 Nathan Kirby lhp Virginia (1-40) It's fun to start the discussion now (for reference, the 2015 thread was 53 pages), but the hard-nosed debating is so completely unnecessary. Let's just keep it light, eh?
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Post by unitspin on Sept 30, 2020 17:03:27 GMT -5
Some context from the 2015 draft thread (which is in the Archives subforum): 9/11/14 Kiley McDaniel preview, no mention of Benintendi: blogs.fangraphs.com/2015-mlb-draft-top-51/BA's October 10 top 10, with where they were taken in parentheses: Rank Player Pos Hometown/School 1 Brendan Rodgers ss Lake Mary (Fla.) HS (1-3) 2 Brady Aiken lhp No school (1-17) 3 Michael Matuella rhp Duke (3-78) 4 Kyle Funkhouser rhp Louisville (1-35) 5 Walker Buehler rhp Vanderbilt (1-24) 6 Dansby Swanson 2b/ss Vanderbilt (1-1) 7 Justin Hooper lhp De La Salle, Concord, Calif. (25-751, didn't sign, went in the 15th round in 2019) 8 Kolby Allard lhp San Clemente (Calif.) HS (1-14) 9 Trenton Clark Grisham of Richland HS, North Richland Hills, Texas (1-15) 10 Nathan Kirby lhp Virginia (1-40) It's fun to start the discussion now (for reference, the 2015 thread was 53 pages), but the hard-nosed debating is so completely unnecessary. Let's just keep it light, eh? I remmber this draft. Benny raked that year, came out of nowhere showed pop and a good hit tool. Maybe he can rewatch some of those tapes and fix the holes in his swing. Brady Aiken is the guy that turned me against drafting hs pitchers, loved his stuff. That kid Hooper did not do anything either bet he regrets skipping over the pay day now. This draft turned out some good talent in the first round.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Sept 30, 2020 18:00:56 GMT -5
I was big on Brady House but this video gave me pause. I liked what I saw from Lawlar more.
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Post by jimoh on Sept 30, 2020 18:30:56 GMT -5
I'm the worst of 1990s pre-Sabremetric GMs, dreaming on toolsy 17 year olds. Andy Yount, Corey Jenkins, come on down. BRB gonna go throw John Curtice for 133 2/3 innings in the Midwest League as an 18-year old. Was there anyone who played for that Michigan team that wasn't a heart-breaker?
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Post by nomar on Sept 30, 2020 20:12:36 GMT -5
I know who we’re taking. I won’t tell everyone yet, but you should prepare to be called an idiot for suggesting any wrong answers between now and June.
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Post by azblue on Sept 30, 2020 21:05:28 GMT -5
Extraordinary number of swings and misses by Brady House in those video clips.
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Post by tyler3 on Sept 30, 2020 22:17:37 GMT -5
I was thinking of the possibility of drafting Lawlar and imagined an infield that had Downs/Yorke, Lawlar, Casas, and Devers. Just seemed cool in my mind.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Oct 1, 2020 9:34:19 GMT -5
I created a new thread about the future at SS for the Sox and moved some posts there. Let's keep this to draft talk. Thanks!
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Post by tyler3 on Oct 1, 2020 9:41:16 GMT -5
VermontSox is on it today. Ok does anybody have a favorite high school arm for the second round? I’ll go first Jackson Jobe if he makes it:)
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 1, 2020 9:50:55 GMT -5
I created a new thread about the future at SS for the Sox and moved some posts there. Let's keep this to draft talk. Thanks! It was brought up relative to the draft but in reality, the current players should have pretty much zero impact on who we draft.
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Post by greenmonster on Oct 1, 2020 10:57:26 GMT -5
I was big on Brady House but this video gave me pause. I liked what I saw from Lawlar more. WOW....not a very impressive highlight video
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Oct 1, 2020 12:27:43 GMT -5
Baseballamerica just put out their mock, if any subscriber wants to drop the top 5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Oct 1, 2020 12:51:22 GMT -5
Baseballamerica just put out their mock, if any subscriber wants to drop the top 5 It's the same one from the other day.
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Post by kevfc89 on Oct 1, 2020 15:08:18 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Oct 1, 2020 19:02:38 GMT -5
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Post by jl1947 on Oct 1, 2020 20:27:27 GMT -5
I know that it's a long way until the July draft, but I would not be surprised if he is the second best player in college baseball by the end of the spring season -- I don't know if someone will surpass Kumar Rocker. Hill is just now receiving the pitching coaching he did not receive in the prep ranks. He was a true college football prospect who's got miles to go in his development even as he already has shown prodigious talent. He has shown a great aptitude to learn new pitches and quickly learning to control them. He now throws four pitches with very good acumen.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Oct 3, 2020 9:30:23 GMT -5
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