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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 4, 2020 11:37:25 GMT -5
Unless I’m forgetting a duo this Leiter/Rocker combo is the best since the Cole/Bauer UCLA top of the rotation a few years back. Interesting tidbit Rockers dad is one of the more highly thought of college DL coaches out there. Leiter has a dad too.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Aug 4, 2020 16:14:47 GMT -5
Unless I’m forgetting a duo this Leiter/Rocker combo is the best since the Cole/Bauer UCLA top of the rotation a few years back. Interesting tidbit Rockers dad is one of the more highly thought of college DL coaches out there. Leiter has a dad too. My sources tell me that most do.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 6, 2020 10:48:55 GMT -5
Jim Callis @jimcallismlb · 1m Not sure I would put Rocker ahead of Lacy/Hancock/Meyer, so in that 35-50 range. Some scouts say Jack Leiter is the best @vandyboys prospect for the 2021 @mlbdraft, and some say Georgia prepster Brady House is better than both of them. #Top100Prospects #WearAMask
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 6, 2020 12:16:31 GMT -5
On the one hand, Rocker might be a little overrated by the general public because their experience seeing him was that dominant no-hitter in the CWS against Duke. The other side of that coin: when you see a guy maybe pitch the greatest game in college baseball history it leaves an impression for good reason.
There also might be a little bit of the Carlos Rodon situation with him, where he's been that #1 prospect for so long that people tend to focus a little bit too much on his flaws and they become magnified. Not saying that's necessarily what Callis is doing here (the "Leiter might be better" talk goes back before either threw a pitch at Vandy), but just in general I think when someone is at the top that long the nit-picky concerns get louder. He's quite a talent.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Aug 6, 2020 12:51:55 GMT -5
On the one hand, Rocker might be a little overrated by the general public because their experience seeing him was that dominant no-hitter in the CWS against Duke. The other side of that coin: when you see a guy maybe pitch the greatest game in college baseball history it leaves an impression for good reason. There also might be a little bit of the Carlos Rodon situation with him, where he's been that #1 prospect for so long that people tend to focus a little bit too much on his flaws and they become magnified. Not saying that's necessarily what Callis is doing here (the "Leiter might be better" talk goes back before either threw a pitch at Vandy), but just in general I think when someone is at the top that long the nit-picky concerns get louder. He's quite a talent. Wasn't a bit of the Rodon thing health/durability, or am I only thinking that because of post-draft injuries?
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 6, 2020 13:32:08 GMT -5
I don't recall any specific health concerns pre-draft, and the two guys taken before him were Aiken and Kolek who have basically combined to never have been healthy.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 6, 2020 18:29:20 GMT -5
On the one hand, Rocker might be a little overrated by the general public because their experience seeing him was that dominant no-hitter in the CWS against Duke. The other side of that coin: when you see a guy maybe pitch the greatest game in college baseball history it leaves an impression for good reason. There also might be a little bit of the Carlos Rodon situation with him, where he's been that #1 prospect for so long that people tend to focus a little bit too much on his flaws and they become magnified. Not saying that's necessarily what Callis is doing here (the "Leiter might be better" talk goes back before either threw a pitch at Vandy), but just in general I think when someone is at the top that long the nit-picky concerns get louder. He's quite a talent. He said "some scouts say" which is true, I don't follow close but I've seen Leiter ranked higher, Prospects365, for example.
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Post by stevedillard on Aug 9, 2020 9:19:45 GMT -5
Currently the fourth pick, but still a month and a half to go.
A top 10 pick seems likely, and a top 5 pick doable. Add salary reset, a shortened season of suffering (mitigated by the joy of actually having baseball to watch) and 2020 would be just as Bloom plannd it.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 12, 2020 1:41:00 GMT -5
Currently the fourth pick, but still a month and a half to go. A top 10 pick seems likely, and a top 5 pick doable. Add salary reset, a shortened season of suffering (mitigated by the joy of actually having baseball to watch) and 2020 would be just as Bloom plannd it. Currently 2nd pick. Top 3 would be a dream season considering the pitching at the top.
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Post by kman22 on Aug 12, 2020 9:48:02 GMT -5
Currently the fourth pick, but still a month and a half to go. A top 10 pick seems likely, and a top 5 pick doable. Add salary reset, a shortened season of suffering (mitigated by the joy of actually having baseball to watch) and 2020 would be just as Bloom plannd it. Currently 2nd pick. Top 3 would be a dream season considering the pitching at the top. 17 games in, I just keep hoping that they complete the season.
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Post by soxin8 on Aug 12, 2020 13:57:29 GMT -5
Any consensus yet on House at third or the mound and whether or not he has a preference?
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 12, 2020 18:56:57 GMT -5
They picked a good year to do this even if not on purpose. I can not imagine going through this on a 162 game season. First goal make it to 9/1. Money reset.
I feel good about this season finishing because what the Cardinals did and Marlins and nobody cares that they have to make those games up but themselves.
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Post by stevedillard on Aug 12, 2020 19:39:01 GMT -5
Yes, if your farm stinks, and you only have to stink for 45 days to get a top 5 pick, you do it every time.
This is a prospect site, after all.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Aug 12, 2020 19:45:08 GMT -5
Currently 2nd pick. Top 3 would be a dream season considering the pitching at the top. 17 games in, I just keep hoping that they complete the season. I hope game 18 was proof enough to join the draft hype
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Aug 12, 2020 19:45:53 GMT -5
Yes, if your farm stinks, and you only have to stink for 45 days to get a top 5 pick, you do it every time. This is a prospect site, after all. Right? Fake season, let's just take out all the trash, reset the tax, get a good pick, and move on with the rebuild
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2020 22:55:37 GMT -5
The key to finishing bottom 3 will be 7 games against Toronto if we beat up on them were probably finish between 6-8 in the draft if Toronto can take 5-2 I think we will finish 2-3 in the draft. We still have 7 against Yankees 6 Atlanta 5 Tampa Bay 3 Marlins.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 13, 2020 8:20:01 GMT -5
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Post by jdb on Aug 13, 2020 8:38:14 GMT -5
I just can’t see him changing course. Small market teams already get competitive balance picks it would be wild if Manfred changed things up.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 13, 2020 8:54:37 GMT -5
I just can’t see him changing course. Small market teams already get competitive balance picks it would be wild if Manfred changed things up. As the article says, it depends how wonky the "final" standings are. For one thing, if they don't get through the year, it makes it hard to rely on this season's standings. For another, if there are teams like the Cardinals who have double-digit fewer games than other teams and they're unable to make up the entire difference, it makes it hard to use those numbers. I don't see what competitive balance picks have to do with it. It has to do with whether the standings are a fair representation. I think if everyone gets through 60 games then there's a pretty good chance they just roll with those standings, but the issue is if they don't.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 13, 2020 10:53:11 GMT -5
That's my worry. I think when all is said and done, Manfred will combine teams' 2019 and 2020 records to get a winning percentage to get a draft order. And the Sox will wind up picking somewhere around the 8th - 10th area.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 13, 2020 11:10:18 GMT -5
That article is wonky including crap from a Pittsburgh paper lol. Since when did preseason favorites mean anything?
Adding 2-3 prior seasons only helps the crappy teams. If the season is cancelled, all teams that wouldn't make the playoffs better get an NBA lottery type draw at worst.
Nevermind it's time to allow teams to trade draft picks. Put in rules limiting the amount you trade like the NBA, yet it needs to happen.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Aug 13, 2020 13:08:29 GMT -5
I just can’t see him changing course. Small market teams already get competitive balance picks it would be wild if Manfred changed things up. As the article says, it depends how wonky the "final" standings are. For one thing, if they don't get through the year, it makes it hard to rely on this season's standings. For another, if there are teams like the Cardinals who have double-digit fewer games than other teams and they're unable to make up the entire difference, it makes it hard to use those numbers. I don't see what competitive balance picks have to do with it. It has to do with whether the standings are a fair representation. I think if everyone gets through 60 games then there's a pretty good chance they just roll with those standings, but the issue is if they don't. IMHO, Those freebie picks have everything to do with it, not to mention millions of dollars just for existing some get from some owners. Change it up like it was and take away the for nothing picks? Maybe an excuse for poor mouthing teams to complain. As it is? Tough luck.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 13, 2020 13:28:26 GMT -5
I doubt he bones one of the crown jewel franchises. Just remember that Baseball is struggling. MLB is invested in having teams like the Dodgers Yankees and Red Sox on top.
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 13, 2020 14:25:09 GMT -5
Well you can see who the other major seller will be at the deadline. Its no mystery Ben is going to do a teardown maybe there hoping to get the same rewards the Cubs got with there teardown.
To me what Theo has done is remarkable to win those two franchises. But a big but Chicago was suppose to be a making of a dynasty with all the talent they collected. They have major free agents this and next year.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 13, 2020 14:43:43 GMT -5
Well you can see who the other major seller will be at the deadline. Its no mystery Ben is going to do a teardown maybe there hoping to get the same rewards the Cubs got with there teardown. To me what Theo has done is remarkable to win those two franchises. But a big but Chicago was suppose to be a making of a dynasty with all the talent they collected. They have major free agents this and next year. I mean the Cubs achieved the big goal but they also have underachieved too. Should have gotten multiple titles out of that core.
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