2021 MLB Draft

Thats a good point if you award a title this year based on this years results then how can you do a different formula for a draft. No matter how we joke this franchise has pride and its never a goal to tank and shoot for the top pick. This is not football where you have a legitmate game changer at the top pick. You get top talent and top money.

I also feel i want this to be a one year issue. Not the norm.

One more thing I almost feel off my chair when I heard Tony "what happened to you" Mazz actually say he would rather a compettitive team every year instead of what the Red Sox did win 4 titles but we had a couple of bad seasons in between. Let that sink in.

He hates it because he liked it better when they didn't win or would almost win. Makes for better ratings and books that are easier to sell.

When you win a bunch the novelty is gone to the fans that aren't absolute diehards like us.

Everybody loved 2004. The following ones not as much. NESN couldn't even pretend to be interested enough to come up with a commemorative video after 2018.

There are a gazillion books about 2004 and the longing beforehand but so few books on 2007, 2013, and 2018. I mean, based on what was going on in 2013 with the Marathon bombing and the baseball disaster that was Sept 2011 and 2012, you'd think there was a comprehensive book on the season really detailing everything, but there's not. Same with 2007 and 2018.

Mazz isn't the diehard fan we are. He only cares about ratings and the commercial opportunities to line his own pockets.

Yes. I have that book and enjoyed it.

It devotes about a chapter to 2013.

And as far as 2018 it does a great job of the FO piece of things and the drafting of the young players and their connection.

But I'm talking something even beyond that.

They won 108 regular season games that year. That's ridiculous. That gets glossed over a lot. I want something that's going to bring back the memories of those games and a lot of those wins were amazing, comebacks you wouldn't have counted on. My memory has faded a bit on the details of those games.

There's a ton of info on the 1978 Boston Massacre in books, but how about the agonizing sweep the Sox put on the Yankees in Aug 2018, a battle of two teams playing .650 ball.

I want the player stories, the season details, the post-season details, everything. Want to feel like I'm reliving the season. That's what's missing for me.

Same with 2013, the circumstances of which made for an inspirational season like no other in Red Sox history.

And even 2007 is totally forgotten as it was just the 2nd title and nothing remarkable other than totally mashing the hell out of their opponents those last 7 games occurred. It's probably forgotten that the Sox nearly blew a 14 game lead over the Yankees that year.

I'm looking for complete focus on a particular season.

The Speier book does a great job drawing the line between the 2011 draft and the 2018 fruitions of that draft. But I still think there's room for more on the bookshelf that can and should be covered to bring back the memories for a detail hound like myself.

I mean, I know they won 119 games. Please give me details to remember those games, or at least the most amazing ones.

So after this 9 game losing streak where the Red Sox have put themselves down to the league’s 2nd worst record, their 2 year standings would have moved them from the 17th pick in the draft all the way to...the 15th. 2 year standings puts them 32 games back from the 1st overall pick, 15.5 games back from a top 5 pick, and 5.5 games back from a top 10 pick. Meanwhile, the Tigers who would be gifted the 1st overall pick again (down from #8) and they’d still have a 8.5 game lead on the #2 pick (the Orioles, who would jump from the 17th pick to #2).

What's the difference?

I doubt they’d use the last 162 games. The only two options I’ve heard thrown around are just 2020 standings or a complete combination of 2019 and 2020. 90-96 gives them the 15th though. Rangers are 88-96 combined for the 14th pick.

This. Not to mention teams may play a varying number of total games this year further complicating total record between the two years. If they insisted on some 2019-2020 hybrid (which I hope they don't, especially if the season plays out in full), I would hope they would take the mean winning percentage between the two years.

Oh, so by "win percentage" you meant weighting 2020's record as though it were 162 games by taking the mean of the two winning percentages? In other words:
2019: 84-78 = .519
2020: say they play out to their current winning percentage of .250
The precise way to do it would be: ((84/162)+(15/60))/2 = .384

I read "win percentage" as calculating the team's win percentage over the two seasons, which would be the exact same thing as combining wins and losses, so that's why I misunderstood. But yeah, I agree with the premise that they should make sure 2019 doesn't have more weight than 2020, 100%.

I just can't figure out what problem these complex formulas are trying to solve. 2020 has a dumb dinky schedule, and maybe you could argue the outcomes will be a little more arbitrary than usual. But the teams who get rewarded by that arbitrariness by making the playoffs will have a worse draft position, and the teams who get hurt by that arbitrariness by missing the playoffs will have a better draft position - just like every season. What am I missing?

Like bluechip says, if the playoffs got cancelled maybe it would make sense. Otherwise, I don't get it.

Basically wondering if it would be 84-78 added to 7-18 to get 91-96 or if it would be the average of .519 and .280, which is rounded to .400. Not sure how different that would make their draft spot, but I'm guessing it would be noticeable as one averages to a 79 win team and the other averages to a 65 win team (over 162 games).

A tie with the Angels is broken by last year's draft slot, so the Red Sox sit #3 unless Manfred is cooking up more shenanigans.