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2021 MLB Draft
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Apr 12, 2021 21:24:50 GMT -5
I would add House to those 2 names Well then this one’s for you dyoung, Does anyone know who the pitcher was?
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 12, 2021 21:28:36 GMT -5
Appears to be Dylan Lesko, Class of '22. Vanderbilt commit, I believe.
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Post by tyler3 on Apr 13, 2021 8:47:02 GMT -5
Well both House and Mayer are doing what they should. House had a rough summer followed by a good fall. So this spring was gonna be kinda the tie breaker for the hit tool and he’s hitting around .600 with 8 jacks and a .700 OBP. People wondered about Mayer’s power. He didn’t really show up for most of the summer due to Covid but was beginning to have some loud outs to his pull side in the fall. He now has 5 homers in 10 games, 0 strikeouts.
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Post by dyoungteach on Apr 13, 2021 8:49:06 GMT -5
Well both House and Mayer are doing what they should. House had a rough summer followed by a good fall. So this spring was gonna be kinda the tie breaker for the hit tool and he’s hitting around .600 with 8 jacks and a .700 OBP. People wondered about Mayer’s power. He didn’t really show up for most of the summer due to Covid but was beginning to have some loud outs to his pull side in the fall. He now has 5 homers in 10 games, 0 strikeouts. I’m curious and interested to start reading who we are scouting, especially with limited scouting this year available. Could really key us in on who we might be considering at pick 4
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 13, 2021 9:02:05 GMT -5
Well both House and Mayer are doing what they should. House had a rough summer followed by a good fall. So this spring was gonna be kinda the tie breaker for the hit tool and he’s hitting around .600 with 8 jacks and a .700 OBP. People wondered about Mayer’s power. He didn’t really show up for most of the summer due to Covid but was beginning to have some loud outs to his pull side in the fall. He now has 5 homers in 10 games, 0 strikeouts. The only issue with comparing them side-by-side is that Mayer is, according to everything I've read, a sure fire SS while House is a fringy SS and will most likely move to 3B where it sounds like he could be a solid defender (a couple of the outlets already have House listed at 3B). When was the last time a HS 3B went top ten (let alone top five)? I'd want up the middle talent or a potential front of the rotation type if I'm picking at 4.
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Post by tyler3 on Apr 13, 2021 9:38:25 GMT -5
Well, ok good point. I will say Hassell and Veen went 8 and 9 last year and were considered fringe centerfielders most likely corner outfielders at the next level. This was a draft that 4 college bats at the top of the board. So I can see House at number 4, but I’m particular to the guy, and I get your point. What I like about him is that I like his floor ceiling Combo. He moves extremely well at short, has a soft glove and a rocket arm...he’s just freaking 6 foot 4 and like 220. He’s very young for the class and made some adjustments to his swing this spring. I see a floor of a good defensive 3b hitting .240 with 30 home runs. I dream on a ceiling of a great defensive 3B hitting .275 with 40 jacks. Before you laugh it is usually agreed upon that House has the highest offensive ceiling in the entire class. Now I prefer Mayer for the reasons you stated. But if the draft goes Leiter, Lawlar, Mayer....I’m kinda up in the air.
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Post by dyoungteach on Apr 13, 2021 10:52:25 GMT -5
Well, ok good point. I will say Hassell and Veen went 8 and 9 last year and were considered fringe centerfielders most likely corner outfielders at the next level. This was a draft that 4 college bats at the top of the board. So I can see House at number 4, but I’m particular to the guy, and I get your point. What I like about him is that I like his floor ceiling Combo. He moves extremely well at short, has a soft glove and a rocket arm...he’s just freaking 6 foot 4 and like 220. He’s very young for the class and made some adjustments to his swing this spring. I see a floor of a good defensive 3b hitting .240 with 30 home runs. I dream on a ceiling of a great defensive 3B hitting .275 with 40 jacks. Before you laugh it is usually agreed upon that House has the highest offensive ceiling in the entire class. Now I prefer Mayer for the reasons you stated. But if the draft goes Leiter, Lawlar, Mayer....I’m kinda up in the air. Yes plus the fact that the only top of rotation talent out there right now is Leiter...... who I believe will be gone when we pick ( or I’ll be surprised if he’s not if it doesn’t involve money). What I love about House is he has held his value now for an extended time. Mayer has held it or increased it, but House has held it while being that high school third baseman ( I agree he moves off ss). Last point. Gosh I would have taken someone by name of Nolan Arenado years ago in the top 4 picks regardless of past “slotting of picks in positions they should go”.
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Post by dyoungteach on Apr 13, 2021 10:56:10 GMT -5
Well both House and Mayer are doing what they should. House had a rough summer followed by a good fall. So this spring was gonna be kinda the tie breaker for the hit tool and he’s hitting around .600 with 8 jacks and a .700 OBP. People wondered about Mayer’s power. He didn’t really show up for most of the summer due to Covid but was beginning to have some loud outs to his pull side in the fall. He now has 5 homers in 10 games, 0 strikeouts. The only issue with comparing them side-by-side is that Mayer is, according to everything I've read, a sure fire SS while House is a fringy SS and will most likely move to 3B where it sounds like he could be a solid defender (a couple of the outlets already have House listed at 3B). When was the last time a HS 3B went top ten (let alone top five)? I'd want up the middle talent or a potential front of the rotation type if I'm picking at 4. Usually it’s not smart to draft for specific positions, or so I’m told, and instead draft best player available which i would think includes both floor and upside. 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 13, 2021 11:05:53 GMT -5
There's a difference between drafting for positional need and drafting for versatility/positional scarcity. Players often down the defensive spectrum as they age and get bigger. Shortstops become third basemen, third basemen become first basemen, first basemen become designated hitters, etc. So teams will generally choose players who are most likely to add positional flexibility if their offensive games are similar. An Andrew Vaughn or Spencer Torkelson will go high if the bat is so good to make up the difference. But if you have a third baseman and a shortstop who are similar hitters then you take the shortstop.
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Post by dyoungteach on Apr 13, 2021 11:10:30 GMT -5
There's a difference between drafting for positional need and drafting for versatility/positional scarcity. Players often down the defensive spectrum as they age and get bigger. Shortstops become third basemen, third basemen become first basemen, first basemen become designated hitters, etc. So teams will generally choose players who are most likely to add positional flexibility if their offensive games are similar. An Andrew Vaughn or Spencer Torkelson will go high if the bat is so good to make up the difference. But if you have a third baseman and a shortstop who are similar hitters then you take the shortstop. Correct. So question then becomes IS House the same level hitter as a Mayer? Or if Mayer is gone is House the same level hitter as another position player or is another top of rotation stud available? Here’s where I say House is above that and potentially above the 2 shortstops out at the top of the draft even
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Post by rismith on Apr 13, 2021 12:41:06 GMT -5
Wasn't House generally thought about as a 1-1 pick or at least top 3 going into the summer? Then during the height of the pandemic he doesn't have a month or two as good as expected in terms of hitting better velocity. Seems understandable from a lot of perspectives including a pandemic (not sure what happened for him during that time), his age being close to a year younger than his comp, etc. Then he rebounds in the Fall and is having from all accounts a very solid Spring.
Maybe I am crazy but I would jump at a talent like that. Add him to the system and figure it out later. Honestly I like him better than Lawlar given the swing and miss so far with Lawlar this Spring and the age adjustment.
But one day we can revisit all this as it always looks different 10 years later and NOBODY would have predicted the Sox take Yorke....
Give me any of House, Hoglund, Mayer, Leiter or Rocker and I think our system is materially better.,
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Post by jdb on Apr 13, 2021 13:09:17 GMT -5
There was a lot of Henry Davis love on Doyle’s latest podcasts. A few of the other guys had him as high as 3 saying he’s the best college bat in the draft. All agreed the Rocker could slide outside the top ten if the velo trend continues and the Sox projection right now were Mayor or Watson.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 13, 2021 13:23:09 GMT -5
There was a lot of Henry Davis love on Doyle’s latest podcasts. A few of the other guys had him as high as 3 saying he’s the best college bat in the draft. All agreed the Rocker could slide outside the top ten if the velo trend continues and the Sox projection right now were Mayor or Watson. It's not the first time I heard the name Khalil Watson in connection with the Sox' #4 pick. I've heard a ton about Mayer and little about Watson. Would Watson be a great pick? How does he compare with Mayer/Lawlor? My guess is the Sox pick Mayer but then again it seems to me that it's quite possible the Top 3 winds up being Leiter/Lawlor/Mayer and the Sox have to figure out who to pick 4th - in the scenario that Rocker's velocity stays questionable and he slides down.
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Post by tyler3 on Apr 13, 2021 18:11:17 GMT -5
Watson has an explosive left handed swing and is very athletic. The scouts are really split on whether he can stay at SS but he’s so athletic with a good arm that right, center, third, and second are an option. The loft in his swing, the on field results during the showcases, all just wowed scouts. I think the only drawbacks are that given his smaller size and body type he may not stick at SS.. and he’s got a big personality on the field, pimps homers, jaws at umpires. Maybe approach needs a little more work as compared to Mayer and Lawlar. But adjective continually used is explosive. He reminds me a little of Betts in style from left side. Small guy, explosive swing, plus speed, excellent arm. 20-20 potential with a plus glove at almost any position aside from SS.
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Post by tyler3 on Apr 13, 2021 18:13:40 GMT -5
From fangraphs:
Full Report Electricity personified, Watson has perhaps the best bat speed in the entire 2021 draft class regardless of demo (college or high school). He has an up-the-middle defensive projection and the potential for star-level power and speed output. Watson is also a volatile on-field entity, sometimes demonstrative with umpires and hard on himself when he's struggling. He's as high-ceiling a talent as there is in the whole class.
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Post by ramireja on Apr 14, 2021 15:03:47 GMT -5
MLB Pipeline highlighting 5 guys with improved draft stock this year, including Matt Mikulski mentioned above. The full list: - Bubba Chandler, RHP/SS, HS (Georgia) - Sal Frelick, OF, Boston College - Michael McGreevey, RHP, UC Santa Barbara - Matt Mikulski, LHP, Fordham - Peyton Stovall, SS, HS (Louisiana)
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Post by cdj on Apr 14, 2021 15:11:51 GMT -5
I like what I’ve seen from Stovall, I believe he’s gone viral for a bomb he hit immediately after being disrespected in some capacity by the other teams fans
Was a nice “shhhhhhh” moment, pretty jealous that he got to feel something so satisfying
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 14, 2021 15:12:56 GMT -5
MLB Pipeline highlighting 5 guys with improved draft stock this year, including Matt Mikulski mentioned above. The full list: - Bubba Chandler, RHP/SS, HS (Georgia) - Sal Frelick, OF, Boston College - Michael McGreevey, RHP, UC Santa Barbara - Matt Mikulski, LHP, Fordham - Peyton Stovall, SS, HS (Louisiana) Callis and Mayo talked about this group on their podcast too. Mikulski is interesting as a 2nd rounder, while Chandler seems like someone who will get overslot from a team with comp picks (he's a Clemson QB recruit). Also noted that Peyton Stovall is probably a 2B due to a fringy arm and below average fielding at SS. I actually saw somewhere (can't remember now) where they compared Stovall to Nick Yorke.
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Post by radiohix on Apr 14, 2021 18:32:42 GMT -5
MLB Pipeline highlighting 5 guys with improved draft stock this year, including Matt Mikulski mentioned above. The full list: - Bubba Chandler, RHP/SS, HS (Georgia) - Sal Frelick, OF, Boston College - Michael McGreevey, RHP, UC Santa Barbara - Matt Mikulski, LHP, Fordham - Peyton Stovall, SS, HS (Louisiana) Callis and Mayo talked about this group on their podcast too. Mikulski is interesting as a 2nd rounder, while Chandler seems like someone who will get overslot from a team with comp picks (he's a Clemson QB recruit). Also noted that Peyton Stovall is probably a 2B due to a fringy arm and below average fielding at SS. I actually saw somewhere (can't remember now) where they compared Stovall to Nick Yorke. Glad to help 😉
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Post by threeifbaerga on Apr 14, 2021 21:41:30 GMT -5
I like what I’ve seen from Stovall, I believe he’s gone viral for a bomb he hit immediately after being disrespected in some capacity by the other teams fans Was a nice “shhhhhhh” moment, pretty jealous that he got to feel something so satisfying If we're remembering the same video the opposing dugout was chanting "overrated" during his AB and he crushed a home run. One of the cooler things a person can do.
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Post by tyler3 on Apr 15, 2021 0:13:53 GMT -5
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Post by tyler3 on Apr 15, 2021 0:15:10 GMT -5
Mayer may be starting to surpass Lawlar on a bunch of boards.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 15, 2021 7:01:24 GMT -5
Keith Law released his updated top 50. Here's the top 15 - I'll add in a couple of nuggets from the article when I've got a moment. 1. Jack Leiter, RHP, Vanderbilt - definitely would go 1-1 if the draft were now, although Law seems to think Leiter isn't in the same category of past 1-1 guys like Strasburg or Cole. 2. Jordan Lawlar, SS, Jesuit College Preparatory School of Dallas - notes that some scouts view Lawlar as the best prospect in the draft. At the moment, seems like a lock to go top 3. 3. Kumar Rocker, RHP, Vanderbilt - Law isn't worried about the velo dip just yet, but if it continues then Rocker will probably fall a little bit. 4. Henry Davis, C, Louisville - thinks Davis has enough glove to stay behind the plate. Says he's more bat and less glove than Joey Bart. 5. Sal Frelick, OF, Boston College - either Davis or Frelick will be the first college position player drafted. 6. Gunnar Hoglund, RHP, Ole Miss - thinks he could pass Rocker if Rocker's issues persist. Hoglund has above average stuff and is seemingly a top 10 lock. 7. Marcelo Mayer, SS, Eastlake (CA) HS - definite SS with feel to hit, although Law seems to think that power is a question for Mayer 8. Brady House, SS, Winder-Barrow (GA) HS - huge upside at the plate after making some adjustments prior to this spring. Not a SS and will have to work to be an average 3B. 9. Ryan Cusick, RHP, Wake Forest - might have the best FB in the draft, but has control issues. 10. Kahlil Watson, SS, Wake Forest (NC) HS - plus plus at SS, season hasn't started yet, but has shown a lot of tools at the showcases. Only 5-9. 11. Harry Ford, C, North Cobb (GA) HS - Athletic and projects to stick at catcher, although HS catcher is the riskiest player type 12. Sam Bachman, RHP, Miami (OH) - huge FB and 70 grade slider, but has a rough delivery and health issues. 13. Jordan Wicks, LHP, Kansas State - has been mostly consistent this spring and has a plus plus changeup. 14. Adrian del Castillo, C, Miami - he's a good hitter but has lacked some power. Biggest question is whether he can stick at catcher, where it seems like he'll probably be at most average. 15. Bubba Chandler, RHP/SS, North Oconee HS, Bogart, GA - super athletic Clemson QB recruit. Pitching seems to be the preference over hitting where he's got a fast arm with projection. theathletic.com/2518200/2021/04/15/2021-mlb-draft-prospect-rankings-vanderbilts-jack-leiter-stays-on-top-jordan-lawlar-moves-up-keith-laws-top-50/
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Post by jdb on Apr 15, 2021 7:06:23 GMT -5
Yikes, bad class and a bad time to draft high from him.
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Post by sarasoxer on Apr 15, 2021 7:22:55 GMT -5
Keith Law released his updated top 50. Here's the top 15 - I'll add in a couple of nuggets from the article when I've got a moment. 1. Jack Leiter, RHP, Vanderbilt 2. Jordan Lawlar, SS, Jesuit College Preparatory School of Dallas 3. Kumar Rocker, RHP, Vanderbilt 4. Henry Davis, C, Louisville 5. Sal Frelick, OF, Boston College 6. Gunnar Hoglund, RHP, Ole Miss 7. Marcelo Mayer, SS, Eastlake (CA) HS 8. Brady House, SS, Winder-Barrow (GA) HS 9. Ryan Cusick, RHP, Wake Forest 10. Kahlil Watson, SS, Wake Forest (NC) HS 11. Harry Ford, C, North Cobb (GA) HS 12. Sam Bachman, RHP, Miami (OH) 13. Jordan Wicks, LHP, Kansas State 14. Adrian del Castillo, C, Miami 15. Bubba Chandler, RHP/SS, North Oconee HS, Bogart, GA theathletic.com/2518200/2021/04/15/2021-mlb-draft-prospect-rankings-vanderbilts-jack-leiter-stays-on-top-jordan-lawlar-moves-up-keith-laws-top-50/A bit sobering.....It doesn't sound like a great draft year....not many can't miss studs according to Law. Frelick is #5 as a 5'9" CF. Even Mayer doesn't come off that glowingly. I sure hope someone grabs Kumar in top 3.
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